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So, as a person who has only played Blood Angels since the late 90s, (other than a small recently constructed guard detachment), I've really gotta say

any of you other old-school players pining for the days of the mini-dex, where it just had all the special rules for your chapter and unique units but for every other unit simply stated "refer to marine codex" so you were never out of date?
After over two years of playing the game with and out-dated codex containing more expensive and crappier versions of regular marine units with no real mitigating rules or units to compensate, I got to go about six months with a tier II dex and now with the release of the marine dex and its buffed scouts / terminators / dreadnoughts (not to mentions formations), I once again get to have.... an out-dated codex full of more expensive and crappier versions of regular marine units with no real mitigating rules or units to compensate.
Like, so glad my death company dreadnought gets to have less attacks than a vanilla dread for way more points and my scouts can't hit the broadside of a barn for the same points. Wooooof
And if they drop a new blood angel dex in 18 months, following the two year book cycle they seem to be on these days, that'll still add up to 4 years of having a codex that's not just bad by overall 40k standards, but bad by marine standards.


Hey dark angel players! Can I get a what whaaat. I feel like we're as close now as we've been since the angels of death 2nd ed days.
They should just bring back that dex for both our chapters and make it identical to the space marine dex but +5 points for everything. Problem solved!

Alright, I'll stop whining now, I'm just about as close to quitting the game as I've been since that 4th edition white dwarf 'dex (which actually did get me to quit the game).

I have to buy some actual space marine models or go on hiatus. I think hiatus is more likely because the Eldar are still out there.

I feel your complaints are completely justified. Reminisce about that time in 5th when you were SM+1 for a bit.... then GK came out and were BA+1 and did almost everything better.

GW writes horrible rules, has no consideration for balance, and is abusing its player base. The price they are charging for the crap and horrid unplayable balance is ridiculous.

There is a reason I've liquidated all but one of my armies and am considering playing beer and pretzels only and not spending any more money. I spent money to play the game and usually to play it in a competitive fashion, GW's policies has cost them me and quite a few other locals amounting thousands of dollars ever year.

I hate GW for what they've done to a game I loved.

If it makes you feel any better, I spent an inordinate amount of time waiting for the most recent Ork Codex release, I got all excited about the Orkanauts and Mek Gunz and all the jazz....only to discover my entire dex besides 1-2 things was nerfs. :(

My first army btw was BA so I feel for you

In all honesty they should rejig these codexs and give an 80% discount by bringing in your original codex.

Gw has some of the poorest business and client relation practices I've ever seen.

I can speak from experience as a guy in the financial industry, and I would hate to say they need marketing but they really do (usually marketing gets a bad wrap). From an investor point of view, gw has no market research, little or no play testing on their rule set, and really has no idea how they make money.

As an investor this is several red flags for me that this is a bubble or perhaps an extremely risky company to invest with. And to be honest I'm impressed anyone holds shares with them when you can get better dividend returns with financial industry, or utilities companies for a much lower share cost for entry.

I did apply when they were looking for a new CEO and they viewed my LinkedIn page and then turned me down for an interview.

Gg GW

Don't feel bad dude. I'm a marine player and even I think this new book is a load of tripe.

Like gak, I just wanna play some fething warhammer, not pay an arm and a leg every year to have people hate me.

Haaa! Glad you guys are as butthurt as me it sounds like!

And see, I'm used to the poor game balance, I wasn't mad that the recent blood angel dex didn't have anything as good as bikes as troops, smashf%^&ker, or gravstars. That's fine, those aren't blood angel-ey.
I start to get upset now that my scouts are just inexplicably signficantly worse than all other marine scouts, all my terminators are more expensive, I can use LESS tanks than other chapters, and my frigging furioso and death company dreadnoughts, known for their many attacks, now have less attacks than a normal chump dreadnought with just one close combat arm.
Un-real.

It's as bad as when that 4th ed dex dropped, and I looked it over and realized I could make a good army list by spamming assault marines and ironically terminators, but thought it would be boring and was super upset about the fact that vanilla marines and chaos marines still had access to veteran skills, so now they all had furious charge and I was the one chapter that didn't. Dumb dumb dumb. Didn't touch a mini for like seven years.

You get new BA codex and be like,



Then new Space Marine codex come out, and now look at your codex and be like,



While GW looks and you being upset and don't understand.

If only your army was already WYSIWYG for any other marine force...

Let's chalk this up as another reason GW should roll all the marine books together.

 Ghazkuul wrote:
If it makes you feel any better, I spent an inordinate amount of time waiting for the most recent Ork Codex release, I got all excited about the Orkanauts and Mek Gunz and all the jazz....only to discover my entire dex besides 1-2 things was nerfs. :(

Not to mention all the straight up MISTAKES that they haven't even bothered to release a FAQ about! I'm like a broken record about this but seriously, woe to the inexperienced player who loads his trukks up with stikkbomb chukkas and slaps a cybork body on his painboy. Years and years of waiting for something new, and they didn't even bother to proofread it... and then to follow up, we get a bunch of mostly useless, hilariously costly formations. Disappointing to say the least.

Blood Angels can at least take solace in that they aren't alone. We should start a support group.

The non eldar, necron, and vanilla marines support group?

Lol nonsense aside... This is nonsense

ask yourself why you play space vampires?

maybe youre more suited for raven guard?

 Johnnytorrance wrote:
ask yourself why you play space vampires?

maybe youre more suited for raven guard?

No. He shouldn't have to change his whole faction, because GW can't even balance the same models against each other.

You have my condolences. It'll be easy to use them as codex marines for now if you felt so inclined. I agree with Blacksails, Marines should be one book.

I wonder if DA will actually be decent this time. I'm sure they'll find a way to nerf it between now and the end of the month.

why cant you paint your army red, put blood angels stickers and use raven guard tactics.

I have like 10-11 Dreadnoughts, the 4 attacks is not a big deal. the fact they can come in as a squadron sucks...they cant bring drop pods in squads of 2-3 so they have to beat feet down the table.

I'm sorry but everyone was crying for someone to do something about dreadnoughts. finally GW changes something and of course people are going to whine and complain because their toy didn't get fixed.

if you noticed, a lot of the formations in the new SM codex are dataslates from 1-2 years ago.

people complained that those should be in the codex and that GW is BS for making it a money grab. well, they listened to you.

they tweaked dreadnoughts, they tweaked content, they tweaked assault.

 Yarium wrote:
You get new BA codex and be like,



Then new Space Marine codex come out, and now look at your codex and be like,



While GW looks and you being upset and don't understand.

lol get this guy a job at buzzfeed

And man oh man, been talking about playing my blood angels as 'red marines' for soooooo long. Just do that full company detachment thing, run em as raven guard or ultramarines.

Haven't gotten to that point yet, 'cause thankfully there's a really good gaming group in my area, so I'm still having fun with the game, and well, as soon as I stop having fun with the game, I'll just put my angels away for the second time. I've got no shortage of other things to do with my life, ya know?

 Johnnytorrance wrote:
why cant you paint your army red, put blood angels stickers and use raven guard tactics.

I have like 10-11 Dreadnoughts, the 4 attacks is not a big deal. the fact they can come in as a squadron sucks...they cant bring drop pods in squads of 2-3 so they have to beat feet down the table.

I'm sorry but everyone was crying for someone to do something about dreadnoughts. finally GW changes something and of course people are going to whine and complain because their toy didn't get fixed.

if you noticed, a lot of the formations in the new SM codex are dataslates from 1-2 years ago.

people complained that those should be in the codex and that GW is BS for making it a money grab. well, they listened to you.

they tweaked dreadnoughts, they tweaked content, they tweaked assault.

COMPLETELY missed the point here.

Yeah, they did update dreadnoughts like many wanted - but only for ONE of the SEVERAL codices that feature them. And without so much as a line in a FAQ to achieve some sort of parity.

And that's not the only entry that's gotten that treatment. And it's not the first time either - same thing happened the last time the SM codex was released too. They didn't listen at ALL.

I'm a dark angels player and i do feel your pain. Getting a new dex just after the sm one gives me hope, but not too much.

How about the awesome librarius dataslate that i paid money for that has just been trumped by a better one in the SM codex. There is basically no reason at all to take the DA one now.
New one is cheaper and can manifest powers on a 2+

It bothers me that there are people in this world that make a living out of upsetting me :(

 Jambles wrote:

 Johnnytorrance wrote:
why cant you paint your army red, put blood angels stickers and use raven guard tactics.

I have like 10-11 Dreadnoughts, the 4 attacks is not a big deal. the fact they can come in as a squadron sucks...they cant bring drop pods in squads of 2-3 so they have to beat feet down the table.

I'm sorry but everyone was crying for someone to do something about dreadnoughts. finally GW changes something and of course people are going to whine and complain because their toy didn't get fixed.

if you noticed, a lot of the formations in the new SM codex are dataslates from 1-2 years ago.

people complained that those should be in the codex and that GW is BS for making it a money grab. well, they listened to you.

they tweaked dreadnoughts, they tweaked content, they tweaked assault.

COMPLETELY missed the point here.

Yeah, they did update dreadnoughts like many wanted - but only for ONE of the SEVERAL codices that feature them. And without so much as a line in a FAQ to achieve some sort of parity.

And that's not the only entry that's gotten that treatment. And it's not the first time either - same thing happened the last time the SM codex was released too. They didn't listen at ALL.

will they FAQ SW and BAs? maybe...I dunno. but regardless of how many attacks a dreadnought has theyre still a vehicle that is armored and weak. I'm more upset that my BA and SM dreadnoughts are vehicles and not MCs like the Admech robots.

The 90s called and want their codex system back. Codices should be online and updated in real time.

 Jambles wrote:

And that's not the only entry that's gotten that treatment. And it's not the first time either - same thing happened the last time the SM codex was released too. They didn't listen at ALL.

This is where GW's weird aversion to "patching" their codexes with FAQs is hurting them. It prevents them from making major changes to marine factions without screwing a few of them for months at a time. All they would have to do to placate BA and SW players would be to release an addendum saying "your dreads have more attacks, your scouts have WS/BS4, your terminators are 5pts cheaper". But heaven forbid they spend ten minutes writing up a PDF that would improve the playing experience for their customers.

Martel732 wrote:
The 90s called and want their codex system back. Codices should be online and updated in real time.

Again another one of those occasions where martel and I agree

 Ghazkuul wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
The 90s called and want their codex system back. Codices should be online and updated in real time.

Again another one of those occasions where martel and I agree

What specifically did we disagree on? Oh, yes. Terminators. I'm still a bit confused by that one.

 Johnnytorrance wrote:

 Jambles wrote:

 Johnnytorrance wrote:
why cant you paint your army red, put blood angels stickers and use raven guard tactics.

I have like 10-11 Dreadnoughts, the 4 attacks is not a big deal. the fact they can come in as a squadron sucks...they cant bring drop pods in squads of 2-3 so they have to beat feet down the table.

I'm sorry but everyone was crying for someone to do something about dreadnoughts. finally GW changes something and of course people are going to whine and complain because their toy didn't get fixed.

if you noticed, a lot of the formations in the new SM codex are dataslates from 1-2 years ago.

people complained that those should be in the codex and that GW is BS for making it a money grab. well, they listened to you.

they tweaked dreadnoughts, they tweaked content, they tweaked assault.

COMPLETELY missed the point here.

Yeah, they did update dreadnoughts like many wanted - but only for ONE of the SEVERAL codices that feature them. And without so much as a line in a FAQ to achieve some sort of parity.

And that's not the only entry that's gotten that treatment. And it's not the first time either - same thing happened the last time the SM codex was released too. They didn't listen at ALL.

will they FAQ SW and BAs? maybe...I dunno. but regardless of how many attacks a dreadnought has theyre still a vehicle that is armored and weak. I'm more upset that my BA and SM dreadnoughts are vehicles and not MCs like the Admech robots.

Yeah... Dreadnoughts aren't the only issue. Scouts, Termies, formations etc. and they won't FAQ it. When did they even last do an FAQ?

January I think.

Martel732 wrote:
The 90s called and want their codex system back. Codices should be online and updated in real time.

this is a no brainer.

what baffles me is that the digital codexes do on occasion get an update. the most notable one I can remember is last years Imperial Knight dex that came out before 7th edition. once 7th dropped, they changed a few things in the codex regarding stomp and desytroyer weapon table

but then you have the hardback guys who tell you they cant play unless they have something solid in their hands.

I love the digital content, my only gripe is with my iPad, at first it was solid and not after three years its slow. but then its lasting longer then codexes

As a Tyranid mainer, I feel you bro.

:(

honestly, we as a community can fix this. we shouldn't have to but we can. it should be GWs fix. but we could agree to play each other with corrected points. I wouldn't have an issue with BAs playing terminators 25 points cheaper or giving dreads 4 attacks.

we just need to stop being rules Nazi's and play for fun.

if youre a tournament kind of guy, dunno what to tell you. personally I don't find tournaments fun

I think that this might be a question for the ITC/NOVA rules committee. With how they usually rule, I can see them FAQing Dreadnoughts to 4 attacks base and Scouts to WS/BS 4 in all codexes. That's how I would rule it if I were a TO.

(Shamless Plug) As far as formations go, I do have an idea of balancing them out in the Proposed Rules section: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/652033.page

What I really don't understand is how easy it is to write a FAQ about the numerous mistakes they make and yet they wont.

Biggest one that springs to mind is the whole Demonology debate, who can take it and who can't. The new Rulebook says anyone can take it unless expressly forbidden. And all the new codex's specifically say which powers you are allowed to take. Why not write a FAQ for each race stating if they can or can't take the damn psychic power? No? to easy?

well they probably do it for....Balance.

 Johnnytorrance wrote:
honestly, we as a community can fix this. we shouldn't have to but we can. it should be GWs fix. but we could agree to play each other with corrected points. I wouldn't have an issue with BAs playing terminators 25 points cheaper or giving dreads 4 attacks.

we just need to stop being rules Nazi's and play for fun.

if youre a tournament kind of guy, dunno what to tell you. personally I don't find tournaments fun

It's too much work when I can just log into Starcraft.