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Check the "Roll in the tanks" thread for some highlights.
Short version: because the threat of someone getting dogpiled by almost 30 countries is pretty terrifying, especially when you look at who is doing the dogpiling.
Freakazoitt wrote: It was created to defend Europe againsy USSR.
But USSR not exist for 20+ years.
So, why?
Because bureaucracies never ever ever ever die.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Also, organizations evolve. Just because the USSR dissolved, doesn't mean Russia isn't still threatening (seriously, how can anyone actually doubt that the potential threat still exists at this point?). Plus, NATO has expanded its roles from just "reminding Russia that we're watching." They also do humanitarian aid, peace keeping, and anti-terrorism duties. Thus far, NATO remains relevant for the security of Europe and political advantageous for many reasons, especially under the umbrella of the EU.
Only fat yankees are a threat to Georgia (and ghost Sherman).
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
[Ahh... so you believe there are no Russian troops in Ukraine?
I believe they are volunteers (illegall) fighting. The only Russian troops - humanitarian aid. Its for civilians, not for assisting war.
I would have said that this thread was over with the first post, but I think that's a good place to stop as well.
Agreed. He's saying there are no Russian troops in Ukraine, but he's saying that armed Russian civilians are fighting in another sovereign nation, and it's not Russia's fault or Russia's problem. Right...
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deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Saying that there's no Russian troops in Ukraine under Russian government control is showing willful ignorance of history and well just facts. Russia's used the same tactics for the past sixty odd years when it comes to invading a country. They send in a ton of "volunteers" then when they've taken over that land suddenly they turn around and admit that they were their soldiers all along. To believe that somehow this time they're doing something different, when by all accounts that's exactly what they did, makes trying to have a proper discussion about that matter or anything related to it a bit pointless.
I want to know why NATO exist. Is the answer "because Russia exist"?
You've already had your answers.
Nato exists because bureaucracies of that size don't just disappear over night and the Warsaw Pact only disappeared 20 odd years ago.
But now Nato will not disappear as quickly as it could / should because Russia is getting uppity again and has also started threatening some of Nato's smaller member states.
Wyrmalla wrote: Saying that there's no Russian troops in Ukraine under Russian government control is showing willful ignorance of history and well just facts. Russia's used the same tactics for the past sixty odd years when it comes to invading a country. They send in a ton of "volunteers" then when they've taken over that land suddenly they turn around and admit that they were their soldiers all along. To believe that somehow this time they're doing something different, when by all accounts that's exactly what they did, makes trying to have a proper discussion about that matter or anything related to it a bit pointless.
Don't see how this is any worse than the US funding fascist coups everywhere.
The old meta is dead and the new meta struggles to be born. Now is the time of munchkins.
Freakazoitt wrote: So is there any solution to stop second Cold War? It's very resources and nerves wasting
Get Putin to pull out of the Ukraine, Crimea, and South Ossetia, to quit flying bombers in attack patterns against NATO countries, to quit threatening to turn off the gas pipelines, make an honest attempt to stomp out cronyism and corruption in Russia, quit sending high tech ADA systems to Iran and Syria, and then we'll start talking.
Every time a terrorist dies a Paratrooper gets his wings.
You're right. Thats why NATO should end., so that the US does fund fascist coups any more. The Russians are just misunderstood.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Wyrmalla wrote: Saying that there's no Russian troops in Ukraine under Russian government control is showing willful ignorance of history and well just facts. Russia's used the same tactics for the past sixty odd years when it comes to invading a country. They send in a ton of "volunteers" then when they've taken over that land suddenly they turn around and admit that they were their soldiers all along. To believe that somehow this time they're doing something different, when by all accounts that's exactly what they did, makes trying to have a proper discussion about that matter or anything related to it a bit pointless.
Don't see how this is any worse than the US funding fascist coups everywhere.
#Whataboutism?
Though I don't see how that has any bearing whatsoever on what I said. My statement was referring to the Russians doing the same thing repeatedly then claiming that you aren't. Somehow you've related your own political opinions about what another country's doing to that. Ah right, good old Whataboutism and this thread sinks further...
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