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Update on the Ice Age Miniatures.

Sending masters to China to make resin and metal figures???

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dinaandrewswalker/miniature-ice-age-mammal-adventure-set/posts/1047948

Choose your own (mis)adventure time!
If you believe ADW really sent Master Models to "Asia" go to page 89
If you're a misogynist and don't appreciate the quality of their sculpts go to page 82
If you are a well educated individual with great taste and truly love what they've done with sixty-seven years of collected experience go to page 89


Page 82
You drown in your own vomit after realizing how wrong you were. The world is a better place without another Philistine like you in it.

Page 89
Oh noes! Pirates glimpsed the pure beauty captured in Casteline, immediately stole the masters, were shown the secrets of the universe through our masterfully crafted objects 'de art and got Rapture'd away...and they stole all the money. Sorry guys, project is over;(

I am so glad I didn't back this.

Originally I was looking for some random creatures for a diorama but decided to set it aside for another day.

I'm so glad I didn't back this. My SO would have never let me hear the end of it.

To anyone in the know - Any updates on this bad boy?

metal and/or fine metal minis,

As a philistine I don't understand the difference. Please help.

No updates. Website was supposed to be up on Nov 10, didn't happen. Whomever is using the creator account hasn't logged in since Nov 11 2014.

Update #127

Nov 28 2014

Sculpts Delivered

Happy Thanksgiving

I am writing to inform you that all sculpts have been handed to the agent for the Asian manufacturer and we expect a timeline early next week for delivery. We will post that timeline as soon as we have that information. All other details and conditions remain the same since the lost update.

How long does shipping to 'Asia' usually take? Just wondering when we should listen out for the first intercontinental incredulous snort-laugh.

Expect update #128 to be 'Sculpts tragically lost in the mail' or 'The 'Asian' casting company that we were dealing with has ripped us off, stolen our sculpts, and our savings, and our Dalmation puppy. Woe is us, we are bereft!'

Lol. I got a fiver that says Somali pirates, utilizing nothing but a trolling motor, make it clear to China and intercept/hold hostage the sculpts.

Maybe they're going for a reverse scam,

use absolutely terrible sculpts, communications etc to con backers into thinking this is all a scam,

but confound them by actually delivering, and then take everybody who mocked and accused them to court for libel/slander/damages etc

This still rumbling on? How depressing that they still think people are fooled by this whole thing.

Pinmini's sculpts available from other sources:

Andrea Sfiligoi(SongOfBlades&Heroes) on December 10

Just a quick note to all you guys that I received the master for the bunny-riding gnome that Pinmini had sculpted for the aborted gnomes kickstarter. Pinmini was so kind and sent me the sculpt as a gift. I am looking at casting it and sending it ( at cost, no profit for me but I need to recoup casting costs and shipping) to anyone who was stung by adwgames. The casting should happen in late January but I have no set date yet as this is quite complicated for me living in Italy (the figures will be cast in the US to have cheaper costs and shipping). You can contact me at andreasfiligoi@gmail.com if you want to be on the list (expect the figure to be about $2 plus shipping).

Scott Maurer on November 28

https://hearthstoneminiatures.squarespace.com/ice-age-animals/45sh8sc64vur3pe0fbfagnr9mhv62c
I've got the Woolly Rhino up in the store now in case someone wants to actually get their hands on something they were promised.
zoroaster's paint jobs: http://forum.reapermini.com/index.php?/topic/58314-pinminis-woolly-rhino-from-hearthstone-fenrylls-rhino-and-tres-belegast-the-bloodthirsty/
other IA sculpts: https://hearthstoneminiatures.squarespace.com/ice-age-animals/

...and ADW's webpage still to be updated in November! : http://www.adwgames.com/

That rhino from hearthstone looks quite nice. Good to see something came out of this, although not due to the Kickstarter creators themselves, of course.

That's the first decent ice age mammal I've seen in this topic.

I was wondering if anyone knew any updates to this drama?

Nothing that I can see. They never started their gnome-circus-voodoo-scam KS either. Looks like they finally did a runner.

I think we're all still waiting on the Chinese factory to manufacture those display quality pieces of resin.

You would think that the 3rd grader they had sculpting those playdoe animals would have been able to finish them over Christmas break but I guess not.

Hate to necro a thread but I was wondering if there was any movement at all on these Kickstarters? I was following with interest when all the drama happened.

From the comments, looks like many backers were successfully able to file chargebacks with their credit card companies against Kickstarter, since this was obviously a scam, and are still actively monitoring this creator's movements. I doubt they'll be able to scam the wargaming community again, but worth keeping an eye out...

 judgedoug wrote:
Hate to necro a thread but I was wondering if there was any movement at all on these Kickstarters? I was following with interest when all the drama happened.

Bro, this KS died a hero's death. people rallied around her, but in the end, it went out with a bullet to the head. They still give the appearance, so that KS doesn't banhammer them, but in the end, they are not doing anything but spouting off at the hole.

Link provided for the ones that like whips and chains.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dinaandrewswalker/miniature-ice-age-mammal-adventure-set

Check THIS out-

http://www.adwgames.com/ Dead link.... still connected to the project.

And what do you think of this?

https://www.kickstarter.com/profile/dinaandrewswalker/created

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dinaandrewswalker/28mm-miniature-sea-monsters-dungeon-terrain-and-bi/comments

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dinaandrewswalker/band-of-gnomes-28mm-miniature-skirmish-game-and-te?ref=users


Vaporware, all of it. !@#$clowns like this are what lawyers are for.

What bothers me is that quite a few of us reported the second campaign (the only other successful one) while it was still running as being a scam, and Kickstarter did nothing. It was "only" for $4,600, but still, it was obvious their first campaign was not going to fulfill and Kickstarter didn't put a stop to them.

They share some culpability in that, although really the warning signs were there loud and clear for backers of the Sea Monsters campaign, so there can't be too much sympathy for the second one (unlike the first which was much harder to pick up on, although luckily because it became so obvious later on many folks' credit cards did refund them).

But the most obvious one was the Defiance Games campaign, which raised $46K and all the warnings were there, but still got almost 700 backers...

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/defiancegames/28mm-power-armor-hardsuits-defiance-games/comments

I feel like some of these fraudulent creators are just running out the clock with their updates (last one for that was Feb 2014!). They do just enough to keep Kickstarter off their backs, and then end up saying they failed despite their best efforts. They know it's a one-time shot and they're burning their reputation to the ground... but for $25K (in ADW's case between two campaigns, and without much of a long-term reputation investment in wargaming to lose) and $46K (in Defiance's case) I guess they feel that it's (unethically) "worth it".

I just think in some of these obviously high risk situations Kickstarter should be keeping the funds in escrow until enough progress is shown... I think maybe they actually do this for some really large campaigns (or is that Paypal?) but if enough people complain about a campaign being a scam it should make it onto some kind of list... they might be avoiding that because to watchdog it would imply they bear some responsibility, but these (meaning ADW's second campaign, and Defiance's) were just too obvious for them not to do something about.

 RiTides wrote:
What bothers me is that quite a few of us reported the second campaign (the only other successful one) while it was still running as being a scam, and Kickstarter did nothing. It was "only" for $4,600, but still, it was obvious their first campaign was not going to fulfill and Kickstarter didn't put a stop to them.

They share some culpability in that, although really the warning signs were there loud and clear for backers of the Sea Monsters campaign, so there can't be too much sympathy for the second one (unlike the first which was much harder to pick up on, although luckily because it became so obvious later on many folks' credit cards did refund them).

But the most obvious one was the Defiance Games campaign, which raised $46K and all the warnings were there, but still got almost 700 backers...

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/defiancegames/28mm-power-armor-hardsuits-defiance-games/comments

I feel like some of these fraudulent creators are just running out the clock with their updates (last one for that was Feb 2014!). They do just enough to keep Kickstarter off their backs, and then end up saying they failed despite their best efforts. They know it's a one-time shot and they're burning their reputation to the ground... but for $25K (in ADW's case between two campaigns, and without much of a long-term reputation investment in wargaming to lose) and $46K (in Defiance's case) I guess they feel that it's (unethically) "worth it".

I just think in some of these obviously high risk situations Kickstarter should be keeping the funds in escrow until enough progress is shown... I think maybe they actually do this for some really large campaigns (or is that Paypal?) but if enough people complain about a campaign being a scam it should make it onto some kind of list... they might be avoiding that because to watchdog it would imply they bear some responsibility, but these (meaning ADW's second campaign, and Defiance's) were just too obvious for them not to do something about.

That's the thing though.

KS bears absolutely NO responsibility, and leaves it all for backers to worry about. You hit the nail on the head though and are 100% correct.