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 shinros wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Ir's really weird that they discontinued the TK range, since it was the undead army that was the more compatible with AOS aesthetics and setting (especially the sphynx, snake statue and ushabti)

I believe it's mainly due to IP protection reasons, GW will never tell us why but I suspect that's the reason because in the first new white dwarf they do an interview with the designer of nagash and the mortarch's and he said they were designed in mind for the aesthetic of the undead in AOS. TK are pretty much Egyptian skeletons.

I suspect when they update death they will be heavily gothic in theme with some small tinge of TK mixed in considering the structures that are seen in shyish.

I don't see it. The newest TK release (bar the tombguard) were much more unique and original than the VC, which are still supported

Baron Klatz wrote:
I would like a more fallen empires look for their replacements. Instead of legions of rank-and-file skeletons you get an army of imposing undead heroes from a mix of cultures to base off of the idea of how TK were still rational minded.

That'd give the undead a more versatile faction that can be anywhere from lords making their own kingdoms and spreading Nagash's faith to a twisted version of Sigmar's Stormcast who swear fealty to Nagash to keep from being put in the netherworld.

I personally would not like evil stormcast leave the big burly stuff to sigmar and chaos and I think doing such a faction would just upset the death fanbase than anything else, still stuff like this is already in the lore manny and neferata corrupt mortal kings, tribes leaders, knights etc in to vampires etc. Or enthrall them to what ever ends of course

To get a good idea of what I think the new vampire models will look like you just have to look at neferata and mannfred heavy gothic theme's with a slight mix of TK thrown in. As the white dwarf said nagash and the mortarch's are going to be the look of the undead going forward. Hence why they kept all the VC stuff since the TK did not mesh with what they are going for. It did not help either that they were one of the poorer selling armies.


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 streetsamurai wrote:

 shinros wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Ir's really weird that they discontinued the TK range, since it was the undead army that was the more compatible with AOS aesthetics and setting (especially the sphynx, snake statue and ushabti)

I believe it's mainly due to IP protection reasons, GW will never tell us why but I suspect that's the reason because in the first new white dwarf they do an interview with the designer of nagash and the mortarch's and he said they were designed in mind for the aesthetic of the undead in AOS. TK are pretty much Egyptian skeletons.

I suspect when they update death they will be heavily gothic in theme with some small tinge of TK mixed in considering the structures that are seen in shyish.

I don't see it. The newest TK release (bar the tombguard) were much more unique and original than the VC, which are still supported

As I said no one knows why GW got rid of them as I said in the previous post the designer of nagash and the mortarch's states that's the aesthetic that's going to be the face for undead in AOS, in my opinion the VC stuff fits that. Even if people don't see it GW feels differently going by the interview. The VC line still clearly fits within the gothic theme they are going for and looking at the various structures and the description of shyish I would say they fit.

The TK are clearly just Egyptian skeletons, now as I said I can't predict the future but as I said when we see new undead models it's going to lean more on the VC line with a bit of TK here and there.

Disagreed. I feel that the Morghast and Mortach are a lot more similar to newest TK than with the VC.

 streetsamurai wrote:
I don't know, I feel that the Morghast and Mortach are a lot more similar to newest TK than with the VC.

Well, as I said before GW are aiming for a mix than leaning on one or the other in the white dwarf when describing skeleton's pope's weapons.

"The design of nagash's staff alkanash, harks back to his past as a high priest of khemri, with motifs from both the tomb kings and vampire counts used in the final design"

I personally think they fit fine in the a VC army honestly death is not really VC or TK anymore. Death is pretty much one big happy family again, personally in my eyes nagash and the mortarch's neferata, mannfred and arkhan look pretty gothic to me with a mix of TK thrown in here and there.



Here is some art of shyish from FEC, Beastclaw and the recent all gates it looks more gothic to me than TK but you can see some influence there. How shyish looks does not scream "TK" to me it seems more reminiscent of counts and a few TK bits. These places are most likely designed by the god of spooky himself and neferata she acts more like a queen with corrupted knights etc than emulating back how she lived in Lahmia.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Disagreed. I feel that the Morghast and Mortach are a lot more similar to newest TK than with the VC.

I'm going to give you that. Maybe they want to re-tool the entire range but on an entirely different direction?

Lord Kragan wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Disagreed. I feel that the Morghast and Mortach are a lot more similar to newest TK than with the VC.

I'm going to give you that. Maybe they want to re-tool the entire range but on an entirely different direction?

Honestly my theory is that they are going to re release some of the TK line but they will look different to fit the "theme" of death in AOS case example the liche priest I can see them releasing a new model for him but he would look more like Arkhan and nagash than classical TK.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
Where would Vampires fit in? I kinda want an army of Vampires!

There's already alot of vampires in the lore. If I recall correctly, there was even a shrine full of monk-ish vampires trying to withhold their bestial nature when the Stormcast sought shelter.

I actually think vampires in AoS are the only kind I like as they actually swing wildly between understandable and human to corrupt and petty which a big step-up from most genres where they are either, evil and must die or corrupt heroes that are massive jerks who you want to die.

I personally would not like evil stormcast leave the big burly stuff to sigmar and chaos and I think doing such a faction would just upset the death fanbase than anything else, still stuff like this is already in the lore manny and neferata corrupt mortal kings, tribes leaders, knights etc in to vampires etc. Or enthrall them to what ever ends of course 

Oh, that's what I meant. Not actual undead Stormcast but their origins as different types of warlords, leaders and heroes made into a army of self-aware skeleton warriors. A kind of mockery of Sigmar's army.

Baron Klatz wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
Where would Vampires fit in? I kinda want an army of Vampires!

There's already alot of vampires in the lore. If I recall correctly, there was even a shrine full of monk-ish vampires trying to withhold their bestial nature when the Stormcast sought shelter.

I actually think vampires in AoS are the only kind I like as they actually swing wildly between understandable and human to corrupt and petty which a big step-up from most genres where they are either, evil and must die or corrupt heroes that are massive jerks who you want to die.

I personally would not like evil stormcast leave the big burly stuff to sigmar and chaos and I think doing such a faction would just upset the death fanbase than anything else, still stuff like this is already in the lore manny and neferata corrupt mortal kings, tribes leaders, knights etc in to vampires etc. Or enthrall them to what ever ends of course 

Oh, that's what I meant. Not actual undead Stormcast but their origins as different types of warlords, leaders and heroes made into a army of self-aware skeleton warriors. A kind of mockery of Sigmar's army.

Oh my bad, still nagash needs to reunite the bald vampire and tarsem somehow maybe... that's like one plot that's been pretty much left hanging. I wonder for night haunt it would be cool to have a hero who is possessing his old armor in a sense as a spirit like broken lords from endless legend. Yeah as you said vampires have appeared and it's quite interesting how the people of shyish view the undead compared to other mortals.

Adepticon is gonna be insane, overload of fun.

Vorian wrote:
It's Aelves, we should (might? However you want to caveat it) be seeing them in 2 days (according to Hastings)

I think it's whatever Dark Elves have become. Outside shot of Dark Eldar. I know that helmet style very well..

Also, where did Hastings say that? I don't know where he posts anymore.

He posts on Atia's blog - in the comments here is his hint to Aelves being shown tomorrow: https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/1820

It's the "Cthulu" Shadow Aelves he's talked about before

Right. It's the start of Adepticon.

To anyone attending, if your not demonstrably reducing the available lighting, you're not taking enough photos.

Hope to it, and do is proud.

It doesn't start until tomorrow though..?

I know a few people who are leaving today to head to Shaumberg, despite being only a few ours from GR. Gotta get there to make sure everything survives, fix any issues, and then relax in the wonderful district until Con-time.

 BrookM wrote:
It doesn't start until tomorrow though..?

I thought it kicked off today!

Considering this...Me thinks they may do a bit of a preview? Like show a fullblown image but give no context and then expand it properly tomorrow?

Oooh I hope so!

And it's Rumour Wednesday, which is always something to look forward to after long at work posting on Dakka whilst the boss can't say owt because you're still twice as productive as the next closest colleague!

Cuthulu elves huh? In that case I wonder if we'll see the artist formerly known as Malekith

There will be twitch today?

Oh man, I really dig that Blight King on horse. I'd say "uuuh, artists can only show what GW produces as models", but I doubt there'll be such a kit - and the horse head looks like a regular chaos knight bit. Does GW allow conversions to be depicted in their artwork now And that moss green armour with orange-y flesh, I think I found my paint scheme. If only I had a spare armoured chaos horse lying around, I'd do a Knight King right now.

I'm looking forward to more pics of the new Dwarfs, but I also made up my mind about this release: everything with regular dudes is (aether) gold (though I don't like a few of the support guns while really liking some others, let's see how the sprues are made up), but I don't like a single character model. The armours and the chainsword are just too much. A more diving suit aesthetic and a more linear tech progression from the Arkanauts would have been better, IMO. The Khemyst and navigator on the other hand are not crazy enough! More glass orbs and a pet made of living liquid (mercury?) shoud be standard for a crazy dwarf handling alchemy in a world as crazy as GW makes the AoS setting.

If I ever get around to a small band of arctic explorers that attach super-hybrid sub/boat/floater vessels to a giant submarine and operate from it as a base to hunt warp whales for their Ambergris in the fjords of Norsca and the chaos wastes (or the ice wastes down south where the evil pinguin beastmen live ) I will have to do my own leaders.

PS: Considering I'm working on Rogue Trader KT with void divers (that have yet to be built, though), want to finish the pirate Orcs I started a decade ago and secretly wished for more Swifthawk stuff to go with the weirdly awesome Skycutter those dwarfs are coming both unexpected (no golems?!) and very handy.

Edit: More upcoming stuff will be shown? Really? Who are you and what have you done to GW And possibly creep-elves that might collude with disgusting Deep ones and as such woud present a thematic threat to the new dwarfs and my pirate Orcs - and the Blood Island elves that I could expand into another sky-fighter sailing expedition?

Vorian wrote:
He posts on Atia's blog - in the comments here is his hint to Aelves being shown tomorrow: https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/1820

It's the "Cthulu" Shadow Aelves he's talked about before

God-Emperor above, make it so, my wallet is ready for the FATALITY. I reaaaally hope they are at least as cool as the Kharadron Overlords. (or maybe I should wish they aren't )

Haha, indeed!

 (or the ice wastes down south where the evil pinguin beastmen live ) 

Huh, I never knew I wanted that until now...

Edit: More upcoming stuff will be shown? Really? Who are you and what have you done to GW  And possibly creep-elves that might collude with disgusting Deep ones and as such woud present a thematic threat to the new dwarfs and my pirate Orcs - and the Blood Island elves that I could expand into another sky-fighter sailing expedition? 

That sound you hear is of a poor wallet gasping it's last breath.

Anyway, good luck to the great people going to Adepticon and make sure to bring back pictures!

motski wrote:
Cuthulu elves huh? In that case I wonder if we'll see the artist formerly known as Malekith

Well, looking at him now as the god of shadows along with shard and mistweaver I think the "Cuthulu" theme fits, I do think GW will not go too extreme but we will see influences there. Going by the new warhammer quest malerion seems to be the deity most scourge privateers follow.

Okay, we WILL learn about the new stuff today or tomorrow at an ungodly hour in my case:

http://www.cvent.com/events/adepticon-2017/agenda-2d340c75da4a4db9b294e1de9e02b44c.aspx

Also, on facebook someone noticed that shadespire's background seems to have the same architectural style that Nagash's current citadel has.

Lord Kragan wrote:
Okay, we WILL learn about the new stuff today or tomorrow at an ungodly hour in my case:

http://www.cvent.com/events/adepticon-2017/agenda-2d340c75da4a4db9b294e1de9e02b44c.aspx

Also, on facebook someone noticed that shadespire's background seems to have the same architectural style that Nagash's current citadel has.

Yup, I just recently noticed it as well I am praying for a plastic vampire hero at least that if the new game has that it would be a instant buy for me.

Baron Klatz wrote:
Haha, indeed!

 (or the ice wastes down south where the evil pinguin beastmen live ) 

Huh, I never knew I wanted that until now...

Edit: More upcoming stuff will be shown? Really? Who are you and what have you done to GW  And possibly creep-elves that might collude with disgusting Deep ones and as such woud present a thematic threat to the new dwarfs and my pirate Orcs - and the Blood Island elves that I could expand into another sky-fighter sailing expedition? 

That sound you hear is of a poor wallet gasping it's last breath.

Anyway, good luck to the great people going to Adepticon and make sure to bring back pictures!

Money is less of an issue than time. My wallet could take some more, GW, like "Mordheim revival" more!

Soon I'll actually get paid (a pittance) for doing the same stuff as before! In a year I should be an assistant doctor, with a nice, steady income...and no free time at all Especially with my need to kitbash, saw, splice and sculpt figures instead of just building them and actually getting an army done. Even as a student I can afford more plastic* than I can afford to spend time on, sooo a massive backlog of converted minis and half-opened sprues and a dozen started projects is nothing to be ashamed of, right? Right?! And those elves can probably be allied with the dwarfs or my existing orcs, so it's not really anther project, right?

*buying from the UK makes stuff feel almost reasonably priced, especially the older stuff which is cheap as chips with discounts and/or bundles

Lord Kragan wrote:
Okay, we WILL learn about the new stuff today or tomorrow at an ungodly hour in my case:

http://www.cvent.com/events/adepticon-2017/agenda-2d340c75da4a4db9b294e1de9e02b44c.aspx

Also, on facebook someone noticed that shadespire's background seems to have the same architectural style that Nagash's current citadel has.

So, the preview is today???

In about 14 hours right?

You'd imagine they'd stick some stuff up earlier than that on the community website (he says optimistically)

I am dying to see the warscrolls of the Floaty Duardin. I am going to be adding some into my tournament army and need to know WHAT!

My friends only play 40k at this moment in time but I'm going to proxy the Kharadron as a 40k army since they fit the theme so well.

Any ideas which army would fit best? I am going to rename the rules for the army to match the duardin. Could definitely use the Thunderers as Devastators and the Admiral definitely has a Thunder Hammer

Aetheric Navigator would be an awesome techmarine.. they do seem to fit Space Marines best