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 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Some points to raise here. Most importantly point 1.

1. FW don't write the 40k rules for their products these days and haven't since the indexes converting to 8th ed. Everything thereafter was produced by Citadel (GW 'main'). So the current Fire Raptors, Deredeos and Contemptors et al are using rules created by 40k rules writers, not FW's writers. GW writes ALL rules for the models in 40k. FW writes ALL rules for the models in 30k. They are separate and distinct.

FW definitely wrote the indexes. I played a game against Jes Bickham at the first heat of the UKGT after 8th came out, before any of the points changes were made and we discussed it. You had stuff like alphabet soup and fall-back-and-shoot repressors on the top tables. We talked about FW writing rules seperately to the main GW studio and I got the very clear impression that JB wasn't too happy about having an external group he had no control over writing rules for "his" game.

Where FW went wrong in the indexes was in having all kinds of entirely novel special rules, often needlessly, with clearly no opportunity to test them (the sheer number of units made that impossible, even if they'd wanted to). So you get things like the troops inside a repressor (who all have melta guns) being able to fire after it falls back, unlike any other transport in 40k - even those that fly. They have only just, finally, had that ability removed. FW don't even make repressors any more by the way, so all that time it was pure sales for chinacast.

Since then we've seen GW modify the points costs of FW units, often radically, but actually not change their rules all that much. It must be a massive pain for GW writers to find they've got to try and balance a load of stuff they were lumbered with by FW, who then skipped off without fixing any of the damage.

It's interesting to hear that GW's taken over rules writing since then. I hope that's the case. I'm starting to see releases without downloadable 40k rules. Why is that necessary? Because GW don't trust FW not to mess it up, after all the times they've done it before. I take the same view.

Hearing that the person who wrote AT has left is worrying. They did a great job. I do now find myself reading the newer books and wondering if the writers understand what they're writing. For example the rules for knights are very unclear and written as if all knights only have one gun. The Legio rules are full of holes too. As an Astorum player I have pretty good rules, with the glaring exception of a warlord trait that allows me to effectively play the sabotage stratagem on my own Princeps Seniores any time I want (why on earth?!). Vulcanum's key abiltiy - being able to have a Seniores in each maniple, is something that everyone gets by default - only with an awful penalty if one of them dies. Atarus may as well have no trait really, since priority on turn 1 is pretty unimportant and a reroll isn't all that likely to help anyway (since it's a D10 vs a D6 roll, 40% of the time the D6 person can't win anyway). Do the writers understand this, and are they throwing this stuff in there to represent the fact the different legios weren't equally powerful, including nerfs as well as buffs, or is it just that they don't get it?

So far, none of this has really hurt the game. It's just resulted in quite a bit of confusion and endless repeats of the same rules queries on Facebook. But seeing the rules for this great game in the hands of FW's rules writers gives me the same feeling as if my actual titans were in the hands of a three year old. Nooo, put that down!
   
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Mandragola wrote:
You had stuff like alphabet soup and fall-back-and-shoot repressors on the top tables.


Right next to stuff like morale-immune conscript blobs at 3ppm dumping obscene piles of FRFSRF dice at everything, space marine flyer armies that broke the game so hard that GW had to change the core rules to nerf them, etc. Don't pretend that FW units are the only things that have been a problem in 8th.

We talked about FW writing rules seperately to the main GW studio and I got the very clear impression that JB wasn't too happy about having an external group he had no control over writing rules for "his" game.


Welcome to working on a team project, once person doesn't have exclusive control. And given the raging dumpster fire of everything else about 8th edition not only should he not have exclusive control over the rules for "his" game, he should be fired and replaced with better game designers.


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Mandragola wrote:
Those quad launchers have been around unchanged for years now.


Not anymore, they've been significantly nerfed.

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I think I've come to the wrong thread. I thought this was a thread about Adeptus Titanicus, not 40k.................................

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 TheSecretSquig wrote:
I think I've come to the wrong thread. I thought this was a thread about Adeptus Titanicus, not 40k.................................


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Moving on...

Hope theres something in the "coming next week" tomorrow, even if it is just the dice...

...and now for the big question; what is the next titan going to be, and when will it be attacking? Is any maniple safe from this new menace?

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There is that new artillery thingy that FW produced for 40k. Maybe it'll be the 30k AT version.
   
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SamusDrake wrote:
Moving on...

Hope theres something in the "coming next week" tomorrow, even if it is just the dice...

...and now for the big question; what is the next titan going to be, and when will it be attacking? Is any maniple safe from this new menace?


They've already talked about the bigger than warlord titan, and in the book they mention the Rapier scout titan.

Personally I'd prefer the Rapier., maybe the bigger than Warlord one will have crap load of guns like a giant walker robot at its size would.

And I hope they didn't make the Rapier a one gun walker, like a big sentinel, that's dumb.

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We'll find out soon enough eh.

TBH I'm not very excited for the "bigger than a Warlord" one. I don't mind stuff like the Warbringer or Rapier, and more Titans in the same general "weight class" as the existing ones would be fine, but I like there being this HUEG jump from "normal battle engines" to "that's a goddamn Imperator".

Putting something in between them kind of diminishes both IMO, leaving the Warlord as no longer the biggest and most powerful "normal" Titan, and narrowing the gap between non-Imperators and Imperators.

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SamusDrake wrote:
Moving on...

Hope theres something in the "coming next week" tomorrow, even if it is just the dice...

...and now for the big question; what is the next titan going to be, and when will it be attacking? Is any maniple safe from this new menace?


The coming next week went up on Friday for some reason, and it’s just Blood Bowl and Necromunda (seems like it would’ve been an ideal week for some Titanicus too but there we go).
   
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I think that the reveal of Acastus Knights, Reaver weapons, and scenery packs last weekend has "shot their load" of release rumors for a bit.

They've mentioned the Rapier on multiple occasions now, so I'd guess this will be their first "new" Titan, but I wouldn't expect it till the next book comes out.
   
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It's probably very obvious, but I think a lot of the prep work for the AT Warbringer would have been done alongside the 40k scale version and they're further along with it than they let on a few months ago. I reckon the greenlight to proceed with it in AT scale would have been given when they saw the game's opening sales figures last August/ September, and we'll see this new kit before the end of 2019.

My only worry is that any other new titan designs take longer to reach shelves because they want 28mm scale versions out first.

Chopstick wrote:

Personally I'd prefer the Rapier., maybe the bigger than Warlord one will have crap load of guns like a giant walker robot at its size would.

And I hope they didn't make the Rapier a one gun walker, like a big sentinel, that's dumb.


Me too. More light titan options would probably get me to pull the trigger on starting a new Legio Solaria maniple. IIRC the old Slaanesh had two layouts; one with a pair of light ranged weapons and another with one 'carapace' gun and two melee arms. They could even do a callback to both configurations by giving the Rapier 3 weapon slots that are all individually weaker than Warhound options.
   
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Apart from what they already announced at WH-Fest, maybe the next release would be in August and in time for the game's first anniversary.

Personally, I'm happy with what we can expect over the next few weeks. If there is another long stretch there's always that second Melta-Reaver...

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Mandragola wrote:
 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Some points to raise here. Most importantly point 1.

1. FW don't write the 40k rules for their products these days and haven't since the indexes converting to 8th ed. Everything thereafter was produced by Citadel

FW definitely wrote the indexes.


I literally just said that.


Mandragola wrote:

Hearing that the person who wrote AT has left is worrying.


If you're referring to James Hewett, he left prior to the release of Necromunda, 2 years back and had only sketched out very early skeleton for the game. I was unaware of another writer leaving since?



 
   
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 MeanGreenStompa wrote:


Mandragola wrote:

Hearing that the person who wrote AT has left is worrying.


If you're referring to James Hewett, he left prior to the release of Necromunda, 2 years back and had only sketched out very early skeleton for the game. I was unaware of another writer leaving since?


I was the person who brought that up, and yep, I was referring to James Hewitt. I was under the impression that he was mostly responsible for designing the AT core rules. I could be wrong about that, of course.

He did an 'Ask Me Anything' on Reddit last year that might be interesting for anyone who hasn't seen it: https://www.reddit.com/r/adeptustitanicus/comments/96gbwu/i_designed_the_new_edition_of_adeptus_titanicus/


   
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New upgrade sprue....Bummer, but not surprised. And 3 melta, despite 1 melta already included in the main kit....okay.....

   
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Yeah, I would think that a sprue that would let you field 3 of the same type of ranged weapon would be a no-brainer.



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 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

If you're referring to James Hewett, he left prior to the release of Necromunda, 2 years back and had only sketched out very early skeleton for the game. I was unaware of another writer leaving since?


The brief sketch being fully written rulebook.

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Chopstick wrote:
New upgrade sprue....Bummer, but not surprised. And 3 melta, despite 1 melta already included in the main kit....okay.....



We also get 6 melee arms even if three were already included with the previous kit (there is no difference between melee weapons.

The real problem is that the arm part (part 26) isn’t included for the powerfists. I will need to source extras of those. Crap!
   
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Look like you magnetized the wrong part of the arms, oops.
   
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Not mind blowing but at least we get both sides of power fists so I can build my errants properly

Really hard to make out what each face is. I’m hoping for the old style paladin (the goofy looking droopy mouth one) but I don’t think it’s on there.

Going to need one of these at least, or three if the paladin head is on there.

On second look, it’s the ad mech skull, the crown head and the same head less the crown isn’t it? :(

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Nice sprue, although having nine close combat weapons(including those already in the kit) for every three Knights seems a bit odd IMO. I would have preferred one more of each gun in personally.

With the upcoming 40k Chaos Knights having at least one new weapon for the Questoris frame and the Preceptors main gun being absent from the game. I wonder if there might be another sprue(and updated rules) in the future? Or maybe they could put them in a "Mechanicum" Knight kit?

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Hmmm, I'm finding that sprue a bit disappointing.

...which simply means I will kitbash what I need - so it's sort of a win-win.
   
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Thanks to LetsYouDown on B&C:

-The Traitor & Loyalist Stratagem cards are going to include the Legio-specific Stratagems from the Legio rules sections 26 cards in each deck
-Tempestus is in the Traitor deck, as is proper msn-wink.gif )
-Each deck seems to contain some neutral stratagems (Traitor has the Titan-hunting Infantry) so if you really like using the cards it may be worth grabbing a pack of each?

-each character terminal has a special rule at the top and a bit of history on the back, as well as which Legio the particular Titan belongs to
-Andy read off some rules from them:
-Ibn Faruq (spelling may be way off), Reaver of Fureans, which comes with the Hunting Auspex upgrade for free and a special rule called Kingslayer, which gives it +2 on armour rolls vs Titans of scale 10 or higher
-Vestiti Ferrus, Reaver of Vulpa, has Iron-Clad: when this Titan suffers a devastating hit, roll a D6. On a 6 the Titan loses 1 structure point instead of 2
-Mantellan Foreman (?) of Tempestus, has Solitary Hunter (cannot be part of a Squadron, but when issued First Fire Orders it can fire all weapons… so this is 100% the Warhound that you want to air drop msn-wink.gif )
-Hammer of Tyrants, Warlord of Krytos (skipped reading rule)
-Penumbral Reaper, Warlord of Mortis, has special rule Towering Exemplar and a fixed load-out that includes an Arioch Claw, Lasblasters, and Sunfury

-Lucius Praetorian, a Reaver of Astorum, special rule is Will to Survive: +1 to all Repair Rolls made by this Titan
-Dawn of Enlightenment, Reaver of Defensor, special rule is Beseech the Emperor: forgo movement in the movement phase but count it as an activation to restore void shield by D3 or 1 if they were collapsed. Can't be used if you have VSG Burn-out
-Ignis Ferrus, Warlord of Atarus, special rule represents an advanced reactor designed to contain the especially intense fury of the Titan's machine spirit (they didn't name it): advance the reactor marker once when you roll 2 on the reactor dice, but if you get an AMS it's always Wrathful
-Bellator Magno, Warlord of Gryphonicus, special rule is Martial Pride: may push the reactor in the combat phase to re-roll any hit rolls of a single weapon (Andy also mentioned Gryphonicus is at Terra if that’s of interest to anyone)
-Auracundis, Reaver of IGNATUM!!! and special rule is Hear my Fury: forgo movement in move phase (still counts as activation) to pick an enemy Titan w/in 18". The target must make a command check, and if they fail their order is removed. This Titan was included especially for one of the Titan Owners Club/House Taranis Club guys that regularly shows up at WHW. He has a Titan that he’s rigged to play audio and.. well I’ll let him say it (from the chat): “yeah after sounding the warhorn as I put my phone back into my pocket I hit my iTunes and started playing Erasure Give a little respect... it was silent for a moment then everyone started singing along. Lol” Everything they’re showing is available in the next month to 6 weeks “or something like that”

-Imperial Knight Terminals (Cerastus and Questoris) are being reprinted but Andy said it could be August before we see them, but the Acastus terminals are releasing alongside the kit

-Someone asked about the Lucius pattern head/shields or a possible plastic Lucius armor set, to which Andy replied possibly the head. He said that if they do a full Lucius pattern, he doesn’t want to just do it as upgrade kits but rather as an entirely new kit because it’s structurally very different. But “if we’re making a Lucius pattern Warlord, then we’re not making something else”



-There was a question on rescaling between 40k and AT using CAD. Andy said it makes it easier, but it's still a complex process. The 28mm Warlord took Daren Parrwood about a year. For AT, Chris Drew was designing the AT Warlord kit for resin, but when Blood Bowl blew up they switched it to plastic and they had to start redesigning again. It's down to around 6 weeks in the design phase, before it goes to production and steel cutting of tools. The design is actually the shortest part of the process.
   
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Are those power-mittens a good fit on (C)SM or Primaris? Or regular humans?
   
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 Binabik15 wrote:
Are those power-mittens a good fit on (C)SM or Primaris? Or regular humans?


They would look fine, Knight is roughly Termie size, and since the fist are mechanical they don't have to be anatomically correct on the model.
   
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Chopstick, thanks for the sprue snap.

Only question now is how the sprue will affect the pricing of the Questoris pack, as they said it would be included going forward...

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SamusDrake wrote:
Only question now is how the sprue will affect the pricing of the Questoris pack, as they said it would be included going forward...

That's what I'm worried about - having unbuilt Knights and wanting more...

I seem to remember the 40k Tzaangors were only a few quid more that the AoS ones and included 2 upgrade sprues (which are £8 each separately) before they were dropped. Not sure what else there is to compare against.
   
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beast_gts wrote:
SamusDrake wrote:
Only question now is how the sprue will affect the pricing of the Questoris pack, as they said it would be included going forward...

That's what I'm worried about - having unbuilt Knights and wanting more...

I seem to remember the 40k Tzaangors were only a few quid more that the AoS ones and included 2 upgrade sprues (which are £8 each separately) before they were dropped. Not sure what else there is to compare against.


Personally, I always felt the Questoris and Cerastus were a bit pricey for £20 and have only bought them "indie-with-discount" at £16. Although I'm thinking £22.50, I hope deep down they keep the price as it is.

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I'll be fine with 35USD or 40. These are mostly cosmetic and fancy item for your scion. Missile pod and melta gun are way overpriced. I'd actually prefer they made a few tiny emblems and icon to decorate the knight armor. in place of some bits on the spue.

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 xttz wrote:
 TheSecretSquig wrote:
I think I've come to the wrong thread. I thought this was a thread about Adeptus Titanicus, not 40k.................................


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Like battered partners, why do they keep coming back for more then?


Anyways, so what is the latest news? Can we expect any new titans this summer, or better yet, the FW guns to stay in stock for longer than 39 minutes?
   
 
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