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So the Horus Heresy fluff states that Ollanius was killed trying to save the Emperor. The fluff also states he is technically immortal due to being a perpetual. Now it says on page 39 of the Space marines: Adeptus Astartes that, "In early M36, the then Chapter Master of the Ultramarines, Ollonius..." The name is off by one letter, but that is still one letter. Could this be legit?

He'd have been too old for geneseed implantation?

Blitzen the Solitaire wrote:
He'd have been too old for geneseed implantation?

But he is a perpetual... he could easily have just regenerated around that time and or become Chapter Master earlier

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

Blitzen the Solitaire wrote:
He'd have been too old for geneseed implantation?

But he is a perpetual... he could easily have just regenerated around that time and or become Chapter Master earlier

I believe it has to do with the "growth period" not actually surviving the implantation. The whole process was designed to go hand in hand with an adolescents development

But the last we heard he was alive before the Great Crusade and the Horus Heresy was the Gulf war, 28,000 years before. It could be possible that he just regenerated in M35.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
But the last we heard he was alive before the Great Crusade and the Horus Heresy was the Gulf war, 28,000 years before. It could be possible that he just regenerated in M35.

If anyone could of made it happen it would of been the emperor. From what I've gathered from "Legion" with the perpetual John and Vulcans regeneration as a perpetual the process is pretty fast

Or it could be that the name Ollanius (Or variations thereof) is not uncommon in the Imperium as he is a significant figure in Imperial history. Or maybe it's because names generally aren't unique to one person.

Blitzen the Solitaire wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
But the last we heard he was alive before the Great Crusade and the Horus Heresy was the Gulf war, 28,000 years before. It could be possible that he just regenerated in M35.

If anyone could of made it happen it would of been the emperor. From what I've gathered from "Legion" with the perpetual John and Vulcans regeneration as a perpetual the process is pretty fast

They won't let the Emps die though, so he can't regen. And Ollanius could have a slower regen time... say a few thousand years

It also took a perpetual wielding an anathame to "kill" vulcan. In doing so he lost his immortality. So if oll died for the emperor I'd imagine it would of had to have been along the same lines.

Wasn't that John Grammaticus though?

It was indeed

So we are still at "Ollanius pious could be an Ultrasmurf"

If he gave his immortality to save the emperor. He could of received it as a reward for his "final life" or could be his son. Also could just be a very close name. So the possibility is there yes until we learn more

Marines, stop stealing Guardsmens fame and glory.

All i know is that gw completely ruined Ollanius having made him another special magic dude.

Given the way Horus supposedly kills him, I think it highly unlikely that even a perpetual could survive. There's nothing left to regenerate from.

The name "Ollianus" is the name of the Patron Saint of the Imperial Guard.

By M.36, it's probably in fairly common usage amongst educated types, for the same reason Noble-born PCs in Dark Heresy can roll up names like "Roboute" and "Rogal".

Blitzen the Solitaire wrote:
He'd have been too old for geneseed implantation?

IIRC, the DA were grown men during their transformations into SM.
Its just a different process, lost to time when 40K rolls around.
Loads of Genetic Manipulations, modifications and surgeries, worse than the standard process to become a Space Marine.

locarno24 wrote:Given the way Horus supposedly kills him, I think it highly unlikely that even a perpetual could survive. There's nothing left to regenerate from.

The name "Ollianus" is the name of the Patron Saint of the Imperial Guard.

By M.36, it's probably in fairly common usage amongst educated types, for the same reason Noble-born PCs in Dark Heresy can roll up names like "Roboute" and "Rogal".

Horus flays him alive; killing him in the process. Perpetual are biologically immortal, but they can die of wounds just like anyone else (they reincarnate afterwards, though), though that tends to depend upon the author.

Mantorok wrote:

Blitzen the Solitaire wrote:
He'd have been too old for geneseed implantation?

IIRC, the DA were grown men during their transformations into SM.
Its just a different process, lost to time when 40K rolls around.
Loads of Genetic Manipulations, modifications and surgeries, worse than the standard process to become a Space Marine.

Actually, they were mostly 14 and 15, with any fully grown adults (like Luther) receiving lesser enhancements.

As far as I'm concerned, "THE" Ollanius Pius was just a human. Not a marine, an immortal, a centurion, or whatever. Human. Others might share the name, but they aren't really him.

 Melissia wrote:
As far as I'm concerned, "THE" Ollanius Pius was just a human. Not a marine, an immortal, a centurion, or whatever. Human. Others might share the name, but they aren't really him.

This.

Everything GW has done to feth up the original fluff doesn't exist in my mind.

Ollanius Pius the human stood up against Horus and died for it but in doing so showed the Emperor how far Horus had truly fallen.

I am surprised no one finds it funny that Ollanius Pious, the most bad guardsman ever, could have been a Chapter Master

It's a big universe. It's just a name, nothing else, and I'm sure that an actual saint would be a pretty popular name in the Imperium.
As it stands, the theory is only really supported by a misspelling of his name, and nothing else.

Ollanius Pius is widely celebrated as a hero even into the 41st millenium. Almost certainly there have been millions of people who named their children after him, and likely misspelled his name too.

Its far far more likely that a future Ultrasmurf initiate happened to be named Ollonius in honor of the legendary hero, and managed to become Chapter Master, than Ollanius being a perpetual and managing to be turned into a Space Marine. After all, if he was a perpetual and became a Space Marine than surely he would still be alive and kicking as the Chapter Master?

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
I am surprised no one finds it funny that Ollanius Pious, the most bad guardsman ever, could have been a Chapter Master

Why would it be funny?

It would detract from how badass he was.

It would be lame and stupid and dumb. The ultras have enough stories talking about how badass they are as it is. They don't need this one.

It's not funny at all, and suggesting it is a huge stretch. There are many duplicate names now, and will continue to be duplicate names in the future.

While I should be a fan of this theory I'm really not. I loved his original fluff as just a Guardsman, one who managed to stand up to Horus. Us Ultras have enough cool stuff already, leave Ollanius alone.

 Melissia wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
I am surprised no one finds it funny that Ollanius Pious, the most bad guardsman ever, could have been a Chapter Master

Why would it be funny?

It would detract from how badass he was.

It would be lame and stupid and dumb. The ultras have enough stories talking about how badass they are as it is. They don't need this one.

^ This, and what was said before.

He was just a regular guy. Just a regular grunt at the right time at the right place, called to make the ultimate sacrifice for what he believed in. He did what all Guardsmen strive to do: he died standing up.

It would be pretty funny if the Ultramarines' Chapter Master was a regular guardsman, and not a Space Marine at all.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
It would be pretty funny if the Ultramarines' Chapter Master was a regular guardsman, and not a Space Marine at all.

EVERY Space Marine used to be a regular human. The overwhelming majority were most likely militarily inclined in their previous lives or else they wouldn't endure the selection process successfully.

Marneus Calgar was born to a human woman and grew up as a normal human child. He probably played with toys (to build strategic awareness, of course) from time to time and dreamt of being selected by the Ultramarines someday. In other words, he was a normal human at one point, just like every other Ultramarine.

At one point. But they aren't any more.