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Basically asking what Infantry, Bike/jet bike, beast, cavalry, Jet, Jump unit, that if you could max it out with all the upgrade would melt the most face? No MC or GC units. No Vehicles. No IC's added for buffs. Dedicated Transport is allowed.

I think it would be tough to beat a fully maxed out Crisis suit bodyguard team. Every suit has 4++ some have FNP, 18 Gun Drones at BS3, Skyfire, Blast and template weapons, Lots of high str AP2/1, overwatch would be insane, they make your weapons get hot. They all get to reroll all failed hits in shooting, ignore cover, can choose between Monster hunter or tank hunters or stubborn or counter attack or furious charge every turn, charging units suffer d6 hits at initiative step 10, hit and run, networked marker light means that the unit can benefit from its own marker light bring the entire units bs up to 4. Drones benefit because of a drone controller.


XV8 Crisis Bodyguards [Bonding Knife Ritual, 18x MV1 Gun Drone]
··Crisis Bodyguard [Command and Control Node, Flamer, Multi-spectrum Sensor Suite, Neuroweb System Jammer, Puretide Engram Neurochip, Shield Generator, Stimulant Injector]
··Crisis Bodyguard [Cyclic Ion Blaster, Failsafe Detonator, Onager Gauntlet, Repulsor Impact Field, Shield Generator, Stimulant Injector, XV8-02 Crisis 'Iridium' Battlesuit]
··Crisis Bodyguard [Airbursting Fragmentation Projector, Shield Generator, Stimulant Injector, XV81 Battlesuit [FW] - Smart Missile System]
··Crisis Bodyguard [Missile Pod, Shield Generator, Velocity Tracker, XV84 Battlesuit [FW] - Networked Markerlight, Target Lock]
··Crisis Bodyguard [Cyclic Ion Blaster, Shield Generator, Vectored Retro-Thrusters]
··Crisis Bodyguard [2x Plasma Rifle, Shield Generator]
··Crisis Bodyguard [2x Plasma Rifle, Shield Generator]
··Crisis Bodyguard [2x Fusion Blaster, Shield Generator]
··Crisis Bodyguard [2x Fusion Blaster, Shield Generator]

what is their effective range? Its quite possible that a full group of scat bikes could simply kite them around the board while shooting 40 STR 6 shots per turn from 36" away followed by a jump move in the assault phases.


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yeah pretty much 40 STR 6 shots per turn with an effective range of 48" should ruin most units day to include light to medium vehicles and anything with a toughness of 9 or less.


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And its literally a 270 point unit so its quite feasible.

A maxed out Cohort Cybernetica could be a total monster to face. Not sure if it's the absolute best but certainly a tough nut to crack.

Cohort Cybernetica

Cybernetica Datasmith
Conversion field, Digital weapons, Infoslave Skull, Anzion’s Pseudogenetor
Cybernetica Datasmith
Conversion field, Digital weapons, Infoslave Skull, Mask of the Alpha Dominus
Cybernetica Datasmith
Conversion field, Digital weapons, Infoslave Skull, Raiment of Technomartyr
6*Kastelan Robot
Heavy phosphor blaster, Twin-linked heavy phosphor blaster


Cybernetica Datasmith
Conversion field, Digital weapons, Infoslave Skull, Uncreator Gauntlet
Cybernetica Datasmith
Conversion field, Digital weapons, Infoslave Skull
Cybernetica Datasmith
Conversion field, Digital weapons, Infoslave Skull
6*Kastelan Robot
Incendine combustor, Two power fists

Tech-Priest Dominus
Autocaduceus of Arkhan Land, Conversion field, Digital weapons, Erradication ray, Infoslave Skull, Phosphor serpenta

12 MCs with T7 W3 3+ 5++ (against shooting), FNP, IWND (the Dominus can also heal wounds on a 2+ every turn). They put out a ton of shots per turn with torrent flamers and phosphor blasters and can wreck almost anything in CC with their power fists. And then you have the characters who all have 2+ 4++ and at least 2 wounds, armed with power fists and armorbane guns.

Edit: this isn't even the most expensive variant but it comes down to 2255 points like this.

The best way would be to look at what tournament winning armies spam. Since finding the most efficient collection of models is the game they like to play.

My guess would be that things like warp spiders, jet bikes and Wraith knights end up high in the list.

 Lammikkovalas wrote:
A maxed out Cohort Cybernetica could be a total monster to face. Not sure if it's the absolute best but certainly a tough nut to crack.

Cohort Cybernetica

Cybernetica Datasmith
Conversion field, Digital weapons, Infoslave Skull, Anzion’s Pseudogenetor
Cybernetica Datasmith
Conversion field, Digital weapons, Infoslave Skull, Mask of the Alpha Dominus
Cybernetica Datasmith
Conversion field, Digital weapons, Infoslave Skull, Raiment of Technomartyr
6*Kastelan Robot
Heavy phosphor blaster, Twin-linked heavy phosphor blaster


Cybernetica Datasmith
Conversion field, Digital weapons, Infoslave Skull, Uncreator Gauntlet
Cybernetica Datasmith
Conversion field, Digital weapons, Infoslave Skull
Cybernetica Datasmith
Conversion field, Digital weapons, Infoslave Skull
6*Kastelan Robot
Incendine combustor, Two power fists

Tech-Priest Dominus
Autocaduceus of Arkhan Land, Conversion field, Digital weapons, Erradication ray, Infoslave Skull, Phosphor serpenta

12 MCs with T7 W3 3+ 5++ (against shooting), FNP, IWND (the Dominus can also heal wounds on a 2+ every turn). They put out a ton of shots per turn with torrent flamers and phosphor blasters and can wreck almost anything in CC with their power fists. And then you have the characters who all have 2+ 4++ and at least 2 wounds, armed with power fists and armorbane guns.

Edit: this isn't even the most expensive variant but it comes down to 2255 points like this.

NO MC's + this is a formation - I asked for single unit.


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 oldzoggy wrote:
The best way would be to look at what tournament winning armies spam. Since finding the most efficient collection of models is the game they like to play.

My guess would be that things like warp spiders, jet bikes and Wraith knights end up high in the list.

That's all well and good but the purpose of this thought exercise is to find out what the most powerful unit is if points were not an issue so you could max it out.

Your response has nothing to do with the question posed.


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 Xerics wrote:
what is their effective range? Its quite possible that a full group of scat bikes could simply kite them around the board while shooting 40 STR 6 shots per turn from 36" away followed by a jump move in the assault phases.


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yeah pretty much 40 STR 6 shots per turn with an effective range of 48" should ruin most units day to include light to medium vehicles and anything with a toughness of 9 or less.


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And its literally a 270 point unit so its quite feasible.

I'm not sure you are thinking about how big this unit is.

9 crisis suits on their new bases in a circle surrounded by 18 more gun drones would take up a sizable chunk of the table. They ignore the jetbikes jink save and reroll hits and are str5. They'll wipe out half the jet bikes easily in 1 turn.

It would be a much tighter fight than you think.

Again, cost doesn't matter.

Fully Upgraded unit of Stormsurges with Target locks and the works. Dear god run.

Fully upgraded Riptides.

Fully upgraded Ghostkeels!!!! With shield generators and stim injectors would be unstoppable.

A lot of scary things the Tau have.

Oh my goodness Kroot swarms with free Krootox and Hounds and all with sniper rounds for free. Would make them viable.

Unit?

2 Typhon Heavy Siege tanks as one unit if you take them in a 'war machine detachment' which fills up one LoW slot

This is boring. You basically added a ton of restrictions so that their are basically no units that can be made larger then the one you already pointed out

You should really clarify in the title 'best infantry unit'. That being said, points ignored a maxed out infantry platoon wins. So many meltaguns/plasmaguns/lascannons And each 'part' gets its own taurox/chimera. A close contender is a maxes out green tide.

 CrownAxe wrote:
This is boring. You basically added a ton of restrictions so that their are basically no units that can be made larger then the one you already pointed out

Exactly. Monstrous creatures are pretty much the most cost-effective units in the game and leaving them out makes zero sense. Also, what I posted is one unit because of the formation restrictions.

Edit: just remembered that the Tripartite Lance is one unit too.

A Warord Titan.
Because no single unit that you bring against it will stand a chance.
But as the OP is being a bit silly and not allowing the perfectly obvious counters to his list:
A fully maxed out Imperial Guard Infantry Platoon with every section given a Chimera transport. You are guaranteed to kill the OP's, or indeed any one elses in this thread, list before they can kill you.

Pointswise it loses out massively (costing about 2K+ I think) because reasons.

God god you people have your own agendas. I'm just asking you all what unit, if points were not an issue would be most powerful/best/effective, if you maxed it out (size and wargear options)
I'm also asking you to only look at:
Infantry
Beasts
Cavalry
Jump
Jetpack
Bike
Jetbikes

I'm not asking you to beat my list.
I'm not saying my list is the best. Its the best I can think of.
I'm not asking you for the best unit in the game, period.
I'm not asking you formations or mixed units or units that require an Independent Character to become good.
I don't want vehicles or monstrous or gargantuan creatures. Those are different categories.

It's not a hard ask. There is no endgame that I am getting you. It shouldn't be hard.
Some what of a thanks to the guy who atleast said a maxed out guard infantry platoon but your snarky comments to start your post were not necessary.

this is boring though. Because of all the arbitrary restrictions you put the answer is just "what unit has the most upgrades to buy?"

That's all well and good but the purpose of this thought exercise is to find out what the most powerful unit is if points were not an issue so you could max it out. Your response has nothing to do with the question posed.

Points not an issue, Lol lets bring on the big guns then.

If points are not an issue and GW is kinda ok in pricing models then we should just maximise the point cost of units.

Was of doing this
-> Units with no max unit size.
-> Really expensive models . => TITANS

This exercise is really pointless... we have had it already under the name "Single unit that costs the most!".

Turns out its Imperial Guard.

A completely maxed out IG platoon is the single best unit in the game. Mostly because it is a massive army lol.

OK I know it's a formation but the formation specifies that it's counted as one unit so I'm hoping it counts for this thought experiment. Since the greentide and it's 301 model unit is gone I'll go with Da Vulcha Skwad and it's 91 model unit.

A maxed out unit of Scatterbikes? A full unit of Grav-cents? I am curious why the OP picked such a specific set of restrictions for this thread.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
A maxed out unit of Scatterbikes? A full unit of Grav-cents? I am curious why the OP picked such a specific set of restrictions for this thread.

It's combined with lack of information - the best unit for a task depends on a lot more than just the dakka if can output. Is it on a table with lots of LoS blocking terrain? Fighting numerous small enemies/in a small area? Deep striking in? Fighting hordes or titans? Fighting random units equal to its cost? Heck, you could even make an argument that warp talons - a horrible unit - could be incredivly effective in a specific case.

Riptide Wings would automatically come in 9's. Muahahah!!!!

 Gamgee wrote:
Riptide Wings would automatically come in 9's. Muahahah!!!!

Now Swap out the Riptides for XV107 R'Varna Riptides....
(yes you can do that,FW will say so if you Email them asking if XV107s or XV109s can be used in the new formations)

Gorethunder battery is technically a unit, its a big ball of fun

Silly restrictions I guess but a maxed out libby conclave should stand a good chance against ops list. Invisibility, endurance and what not should be more or less guaranteed. IH chapter tactics for a 3+/3++/3+++ save, IWND and EW.

tedurur wrote:
Silly restrictions I guess but a maxed out libby conclave should stand a good chance against ops list. Invisibility, endurance and what not should be more or less guaranteed. IH chapter tactics for a 3+/3++/3+++ save, IWND and EW.

Nah

Librarius Conclave
4x Librarians In termie armour+Storm Shields
Sevrin Loth

Loth to choose from Santic Daemonology (Sanctuary ect)
2x Libarians roll on Biomancy (for endurance)
1x Libarian rolls on Malefic Daemonology
1x Librarian rolls on Telepathy (for invisibility)

Join them all up as a unit of characters
Now you have a UNIT of 2+/2++/4+ FnP that is invisible

commander dante wrote:


Librarius Conclave
4x Librarians In termie armour+Storm Shields
Sevrin Loth

Loth can't be in that formation he is neither Tiggy nor named "librarian" he is named "loth"


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On top of that he can't choose from Sanctic.

 master of ordinance wrote:
A Warord Titan.
Because no single unit that you bring against it will stand a chance.

Imperator Titan says hello.

The imperator is not all that impressive these days since it is so out of date.

Phantom Titan probably ranks pretty high up there.

 Ashiraya wrote:
The imperator is not all that impressive these days since it is so out of date.

Still has 12 Vortex Support Missiles with the old Vortex rules.

 oldzoggy wrote:

commander dante wrote:


Librarius Conclave
4x Librarians In termie armour+Storm Shields
Sevrin Loth

Loth can't be in that formation he is neither Tiggy nor named "librarian" he is named "loth"


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On top of that he can't choose from Sanctic.

Go Email FW regarding Badab war characters and SM codex formations, you will find that i am correct
Also, there is nothing saying he cant choose from Daemonology, His rules were written in 6th edition, before daemonology, otherwise it would bethere (plus the rulebook states that all psykers know the daemonology powers)