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Won't embed the video here as it is pretty graphic, especially the one hosted on RT.

http://972mag.com/video-israeli-soldier-executes-wounded-palestinian-in-hebron/118093/

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VIDEO: Israeli soldier executes unarmed, wounded Palestinian attacker
Maybe even worse than the murder itself is the fact that no one in the vicinity seems at all moved by it.

WARNING: This post contains a highly graphic video and images.

An IDF soldier was filmed shooting a Palestinian in the head at close range in the Tel Rumeida neighborhood of occupied Hebron Thursday, after he and another Palestinian reportedly stabbed a different soldier, lightly wounding him.

Most Israeli media outlets initially went with the usual headline, “Soldier stabbed, assailants killed.” A few hours later, however, video of the incident was released showing that the Palestinian man was already shot and lying on the ground wounded, presenting absolutely no threat to anyone at the time he was shot in the head, murdered.

The video was captured by local Palestinian resident Emad abu-Shamsiyah and distributed by B’Tselem.

Minutes earlier, before the start of the video, the two young Palestinian men, Abed al Fatah a-Sharif and Ramzi al-Qasrawi, reportedly stabbed a soldier in the Hebron neighborhood. They were shot in the aftermath of the stabbing.

In the video, which begins only after the stabbing already took place, an Israeli soldier can be seen shooting the injured Sharif in the head as he lies on the ground. The soldier is facing the camera with Sharif in between.

In a separate video we have deemed too graphic to upload, a prominent settler from Hebron can be heard telling soldiers, “this dog is still alive.”

No one in the vicinity seems bothered or surprised at all by the shooting — neither the soldiers nor a couple of police officers present nor the medical teams seen treating the wounded soldier. They completely ignore the two wounded Palestinians (al-Qasrawi is lying several feet behind a-Sharif, and can be seen at the end of the video). This total apathy reflects not only the regularity of such incidents of stabbings and responsive shootings, but also the culture of impunity in which IDF soldiers feel free to shoot and kill Palestinians against the IDF’s own rules of engagement.

The Israeli military immediately sought to distance itself from the murder. Israeli security forces have been accused by Palestinians and others of unnecessarily killing Palestinian stabbing suspects since the latest wave of violence began. Israel has consistently denied the practice, although senior ministers have in recent years given what many interpreted as a green light to killing suspected terrorists.

In October 2015, video footage show Fadi Alloun, a young Palestinian man from East Jerusalem, being shot and killed by police officers despite not appearing to pose an immediate threat. In November, two Palestinian girls were shot after stabbing an elderly man with scissors. In response to that incident, IDF Chief of General Staff Gadi Eizencot said he doesn’t want Israeli soldiers to “empty a [rifle] magazine into a girl with scissors.”

The IDF Spokesperson issued the following statement: ”An initial investigation shows that this is a severe incident that contradicts the IDF’s ethical code and what is expected from the IDF’s soldiers and commanders. A military police investigation has been opened following the findings of the initial investigation that was carried out by the commanders. The soldier has been suspended from his position until the culmination of the investigation.”

Update: Military police arrested the soldier, and high ranking officers ordered that all other soldiers who were in the vicinity at the time of the shooting should also be investigated.


Other source: https://www.rt.com/news/337046-israeli-soldier-executes-palestinian/

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Blood-chilling VIDEO: IDF soldier seen shooting injured 'Palestinian attacker'

Shocking footage has emerged online apparently showing an Israeli soldier executing a wounded Palestinian lying on the ground. The victim had reportedly been injured in retaliation for a stabbing attack before being cold-bloodedly shot in the head.
The video has been uploaded to B’Tselem human rights center’s YouTube account. It shows a crowd of IDF members – all armed – helping to evacuate their fellow soldier into an ambulance somewhere in Hebron. The description to the video says the evacuee was stabbed by a Palestinian man who was allegedly injured by the Israelis in retaliation.

You can watch the full video here. (WARNING: VIDEO CONTAINS GRAPHIC CONTENT)

While the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) soldier is given medical treatment and proper care, and seems to be conscious, the Palestinian is lying on the ground immobilized. Both the Israeli servicemen and the medical staff can be seen ignoring the man until the ambulance leaves.

Seconds later, an IDF soldier reloads his weapon, approaches the Palestinian and fires a headshot at his victim. No one tries to prevent the soldier from killing the man, and the shot causes no reaction from bystanders. Armed Israelis are seen walking around as if nothing has happened.

The Palestinian could be seen moving his head at the beginning of the video, clearly indicating he was still alive before he was shot.


Absolutely disgusting. Am glad to hear that the Israeli army is investigating and I really do not see how this cannot result in a conviction.

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With the way some Israelis view the Palestines, I am not surprised at all that something disgusting like this happens. Ironically, you'd expect the Israeli people to know better. Short memories, it seems.

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Ethics sure, but not something which anyone involved probably thought about much at the time. Given the state of knife attacks in Israel right now I can see how we got here...
   
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It has been happening for years, and the west is ignoring it

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The Amon Goeth analogy seems... a bit much, in scale if not in mindset. I'm not dismissing what certainly appears to be a crime, but even if the video shows exactly what it appears to, it's still a bit of a reach to equivocate a soldier executing a guy who just tried to stab one of his comrades, and a guy who actively participated in organized genocide - in fact, his rule was so harsh he was actually arrested and charged by the SS for, among other thing, mistreatment of prisoners. This was a guy who treated prisoners too harshly for the Nazis.

A crime? Sure. A war crime? Maybe. Amon Goeth? That's kinda a high bar.

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 Khornholio wrote:
Reminds me of Amon Goeth.


That's weird. It reminds me of a young soldier who, in the aftermath of a potentially lethal attack on one of his fellow soldiers, made a horrible decision that he is now going to regret for the rest of his life. Somehow I don't quite see the connection with a Nazi KZ-Kommandant who oversaw and participated in the torture and murder of literally thousands of people.

What this Israeli soldier did was wrong and there is absolutely no excuse for his conduct. He should, and very likely will, suffer severe consequences for his actions. That said, comparing him to Amon Göth is neither an accurate nor appropriate comparison.

   
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You know whats the difference? Israel is investigating instead of celebrating. Rule of law and all.


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Also that sound seems fake. Like you can clearly hear him cock his gun from what looks to be more than a few yards away.

Maybe guns cock louder in the ME or maybe the video was highlighted with relevant sounds at the forefront, all very easy with digital video, so I will reserve judgement. The head definitely moves so I do think that guy was shot lying down, but there are some audio inconsistencies in my mind.

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DutchWinsAll wrote:
You know whats the difference? Israel is investigating instead of celebrating. Rule of law and all.


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Also that sound seems fake. Like you can clearly hear him cock his gun from what looks to be more than a few yards away.

Maybe guns cock louder in the ME or maybe the video was highlighted with relevant sounds at the forefront, all very easy with digital video, so I will reserve judgement. The head definitely moves so I do think that guy was shot lying down, but there are some audio inconsistencies in my mind.


Exactly, Funny how they are investigating and will hand out punishment for this even though the EU and the UN keep bashing on them for not doing exactly this. Its mind boggling how we have a double standard for conduct in this confrontation. A Palestinian stabs a mother in front of her kids, the Palestinians celebrate and name the killer a hero and a martyr. The Israeli's kill the Palestinian terrorist and are condemned as extra judicial murderers by the EU and the UN. Bit weird really.
   
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Do you expect the EU and UN to issue an official condemnation every time someone gets stabbed?


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I'm usually pretty disgusted by the actions of the Israeli state especially with regard to settlements.

But if they're investigating and the soldier actually gets done for this, then I think that's decent and fair. Obviously we'd have to see how the investigation pans out.

But they've got the high ground here.

   
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That's war. Stuff like this happens in every way, the difference in some cases is that they're getting filmed and released to the public.

   
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That's true, but it is against the rules and has to be investigated and punished, or eventually we will all be back in the Dark Ages.

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ThatGuyFromThatPlace wrote:
DutchWinsAll wrote:
You know whats the difference? Israel is investigating instead of celebrating. Rule of law and all.


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Also that sound seems fake. Like you can clearly hear him cock his gun from what looks to be more than a few yards away.

Maybe guns cock louder in the ME or maybe the video was highlighted with relevant sounds at the forefront, all very easy with digital video, so I will reserve judgement. The head definitely moves so I do think that guy was shot lying down, but there are some audio inconsistencies in my mind.


Exactly, Funny how they are investigating and will hand out punishment for this even though the EU and the UN keep bashing on them for not doing exactly this. Its mind boggling how we have a double standard for conduct in this confrontation. A Palestinian stabs a mother in front of her kids, the Palestinians celebrate and name the killer a hero and a martyr. The Israeli's kill the Palestinian terrorist and are condemned as extra judicial murderers by the EU and the UN. Bit weird really.


Not weird att all. We expect Israel to act like a liberal democracy because they are. We don't expect the Palestinians to, because the Palestinian State's very existence is disputed, and by any definition of the word isn't a liberal democracy.

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But if they're investigating and the soldier actually gets done for this, then I think that's decent and fair. Obviously we'd have to see how the investigation pans out.


Surely at the minimum the IDF should demolish the soldier's home (or the home of his parents) regardless? It seems to be pretty standard procedure if a Palestinian is suspected of something.
   
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 Kilkrazy wrote:
That's true, but it is against the rules and has to be investigated and punished, or eventually we will all be back in the Dark Ages.


Fully agree here. War crimes are war crimes and every single one should be acted upon. I am merely pointing out that executing wounded / disabled fighters is a very common thing in a war, especially one that involves as much propaganda as the ones taking place in the Middle East.

   
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Callous dehumanization of people brings us to this: people being put down as if they are dogs. Unsurprising from Israel to say the least.
   
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 Sigvatr wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
That's true, but it is against the rules and has to be investigated and punished, or eventually we will all be back in the Dark Ages.


Fully agree here. War crimes are war crimes and every single one should be acted upon. I am merely pointing out that executing wounded / disabled fighters is a very common thing in a war, especially one that involves as much propaganda as the ones taking place in the Middle East.


Maybe it is common to execute a badly wounded prisoner when you're out in the middle of a desert with no means of actually getting them to medical help. But this was not that situation. They were in an urban environment and medical help was obviously available, as can be seen by the fact that you can see an ambulance leaving at the beginning of the video. Absolutely no-one is administering any first aid or making any attempt to check on the suspects condition.

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 Khornholio wrote:
Reminds me of Amon Goeth.


4 replies to Godwin the thread. Congrats.

As others pointed out, this is being investigated. One of the unfortunate side effects of war. Sometimes the stress of the situations lead Soldiers to make the wrong call. The system will handle this, and claiming that this holds a resemblance to state sponsored genocide is ludicrous at best.

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It reminds me of that famous video from Vietnam where the VC suspect is executed by a South Vietnamese official by shooting him in the head while the suspect is cuffed.

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 Sigvatr wrote:
That's war.


What war would that be?


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 djones520 wrote:
 Khornholio wrote:
Reminds me of Amon Goeth.


4 replies to Godwin the thread. Congrats.

As others pointed out, this is being investigated. One of the unfortunate side effects of war. Sometimes the stress of the situations lead Soldiers to make the wrong call. The system will handle this, and claiming that this holds a resemblance to state sponsored genocide is ludicrous at best.


I agree that this situation is nothing like genocide, but taken in the context of ever expanding Israeli settlement supported by military force literally bulldozing homes and forcing palestinians to live in smaller and smaller areas of land or accept being second class citizens in a hostile nation or flee to gigantic refugee camps forever, I can see why people are pissed enough to draw the comparison.

   
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Now we don't know what went on behind the scenes but what is potentially as worrying as the incident itself which could be explained as an individual soldier with battle shock of some sort doing the wrong thing

is the implication that none of the other personnel involved reported it, and no investigation was started until the video dropped onto the net

(as I say we don't know that the soldier wasn't reported, and sadly even if he was a significant number of people won't believe it)

 
   
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 Sigvatr wrote:
That's war.


What war would that be?



https://www.idfblog.com/facts-figures/rocket-attacks-toward-israel/

In contrast, the Taliban are firing a fraction of these numbers in Afghanistan.

Lets stop acting like the Palestinians are innocent victims here.

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Crimes such as this should be of no surprise to anyone. Not because Israel or its soldiers are somehow evil or whatever, but because this is the kind of thing that happens whenever you give people deadly weapons, little accountability and a whole lot of stress.

The take away people should have from this is that there aren't good guys or bad guys in the Israel and Palestine situation. There's just people. And people do gak things, and people suffer from the gak things done by other people. In situations like this many people end up both victims and perpetrators.

The only way to stop those gak things happening is to end the underlying conflict. Confrim Palestinian borders and give the people there a chance to live decent lives. That, of course, is an unbelievably difficult thing for lots of reasons. But the first step towards making that happen will be when people stop cheering for one side or the other like they're football teams.

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 sebster wrote:
Crimes such as this should be of no surprise to anyone. Not because Israel or its soldiers are somehow evil or whatever, but because this is the kind of thing that happens whenever you give people deadly weapons, little accountability and a whole lot of stress.


'Little accountability'? How does pulling the kid from his unit and starting an investigation equate to 'little accountability'?


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I really don't support Israel, but my animus is strictly relegated to wishing the US wouldn't support them financially... because it's a bum deal for both them and us.

Putting that aside, I wholeheartedly agree; there are no good guys in that fight. Indiscriminate rocket attacks and human shields for arms caches on one side, collective punishment and systemic oppression on the other, what's to like?

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I agree with that argument, which is why it annoys me that one side in the conflict gets astronomically more financial and military support than the other.

   
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The US gives money to both. I agree, we should reallocate our funds for both to more worthwhile endeavors closer to home.

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 sebster wrote:
Crimes such as this should be of no surprise to anyone. Not because Israel or its soldiers are somehow evil or whatever, but because this is the kind of thing that happens whenever you give people deadly weapons, little accountability and a whole lot of stress.


'Little accountability'? How does pulling the kid from his unit and starting an investigation equate to 'little accountability'?



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