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2016/04/29 22:04:12
Subject: Viewers appalled at eagles eating a cat on live video feed.
John Hayes wrote:Viewers appalled as eagle cam shows eagle feeding cat to its chicks
It was inevitable, from the moment video cameras went up over Pittsburgh bald eagle nests, that viewers would eventually see something disturbing.
On Tuesday, eagles at the Hays nest site brought a young cat into the nest to feed their two eaglets.
“After reviewing the footage, we believe the cat was dead when it was brought to the nest,” said Rachel Handel, spokeswoman for the Audubon Society of Western Pennsylvania. “We don’t know if it was a pet or feral. It’s impossible to know if the cat was killed by the eagle or was a roadkill, but eagles are opportunists and just as apt to take something that’s already dead as something that’s alive to feed their young.”
On regional eagle chat boards, some were squeamish or disturbed that the scene was live-streamed on a popular viewing site. Others speculated about the meal’s identity until Ms. Handel turned the event into a learning moment.
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“While many may cringe at this, the eagles bring squirrels, rabbits, fish (and other animals) into the nest to eat multiple times each day,” she said, via Facebook. “To people, the cat represents a pet, but to the eagles and to other raptors, the cat is a way to sustain the eaglets and help them to grow.”
Pittsburgh eagle watchers have experienced other uncomfortable moments. A raccoon unsuccessfully attacked the Hays nest in 2014. No eggs survived the winter of 2015 at the Hays and Harmar sites, and this year one of three eggs did not survive at the Hays site. Recently at a monitored bald eagle nest in Hanover, York County, viewers watched as a 2-day-old eaglet died on camera. Its carcass was eventually tossed from the nest.
“The live stream provides an opportunity to view wildlife in its natural setting,” said Game Commission spokesman Travis Lau, via an April 1 statement about the Hanover eaglet. “Sometimes, that may include scenes that are difficult to watch. The Game Commission will not intervene in this situation.”
Ms. Handel said that in the new age of live-streaming wildlife cameras, humans are gaining a better appreciation of nature.
“The cameras are up 24/7 and can show a side of nature that isn’t really pretty,” she said.
“A lot of people have an idyllic view of these eagles. I think the eagle cameras are providing an education of what it takes to survive and raise offspring in nature.”
About six weeks since hatching, the two Hays siblings have grown so big they nearly take up the entire nest. Handel said they and the Harmar birds, now about 2 weeks old, are progressing normally.
The Hays birds are expected to begin fledging in mid-June.
Catch the live eagle action at Harmar, Hays and elsewhere, and peregrine falcons at Pitt's Cathedral of Learning, at www.post-gazette.com/baldeagles.
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2016/04/29 22:17:26
Subject: Views appaled at eagles eating a cat on live video feed.
Jeebus people. You try raising three kids when you live outdoors and don't have opposable thumbs. You'd eat a fething cat too.
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2016/04/29 22:26:31
Subject: Views appaled at eagles eating a cat on live video feed.
I wonder if views would change if it was a human baby in the video being fed to birds? Baby out playing, big bird of prey snatches it up, boom. Bird food. Only reason I make mention is that pets are often considered part of the family. If you're okay with a pet cat being taken, how about a baby human? Just a question, I'm not actually against a bird eating a cat. I'd be horribly devastated if it was my pet, but aside from that...its nature.
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2016/04/29 22:56:26
Subject: Views appaled at eagles eating a cat on live video feed.
This was a more interesting story when I thought it was about The Eagles eating a cat.
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timetowaste85 wrote: If you're okay with a pet cat being taken, how about a baby human?
One can upset with it while also realizing that predators don't really see the difference between food a and food b. You don't have to just believe one thing.
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2016/04/29 23:47:40
Subject: Views appaled at eagles eating a cat on live video feed.
The point is, it's a livestream. If you want to tune in to watch carniverous birds feed on whatever the parent brings back to the nest, then you should damn well be prepared to see some gruesome scenes.
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2016/04/29 23:55:30
Subject: Re:Views appaled at eagles eating a cat on live video feed.
Nostromodamus wrote: The point is, it's a livestream. If you want to tune in to watch carniverous birds feed on whatever the parent brings back to the nest, then you should damn well be prepared to see some gruesome scenes.
Aye. Surely people would have been upset at seeing the eagles eat "Bambi" too? And all those silly Father Christmas tourists visiting Finnish Lapland getting upset that Finns eat reindeer (really delicious animal btw).
2016/04/29 23:56:30
Subject: Views appaled at eagles eating a cat on live video feed.
Which I suppose then raises the question of who watches predators tearing things apart to eat for fun? I get why scientists and conservationists would, but that isn't really for entertainment. I know how predators get nourishment but I don't think i would ever want to watch a live stream of it for entertainment.
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2016/04/30 00:05:39
Subject: Views appaled at eagles eating a cat on live video feed.
Given that the birds were bald eagles it was likely that the cat was a communist.
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2016/04/30 00:20:54
Subject: Re:Views appaled at eagles eating a cat on live video feed.
Wyrmalla wrote: Quickly, someone find a supercut of all the animals being killed which David Attenborough ever narrated over on the BBC!
Ha!
Yeah, I don't get it. I like cats. Have two. Doesn't mean I believe in censoring something recording nature. I wouldn't watch that but it's a matter of taste.
Personally, I find it way more alarming watching weak offspring get kicked out or killed in those sorts of things, but it's just how stuff goes. IDK why you'd be watching that if you didn't watch nature documentaries (it's the long-form super version without all the boring stuff cut out), and if you watch nature documentaries, you should know what you're in for.
Nostromodamus wrote: The point is, it's a livestream. If you want to tune in to watch carniverous birds feed on whatever the parent brings back to the nest, then you should damn well be prepared to see some gruesome scenes.
Aye. Surely people would have been upset at seeing the eagles eat "Bambi" too? And all those silly Father Christmas tourists visiting Finnish Lapland getting upset that Finns eat reindeer (really delicious animal btw).
Haven't eaten reindeer. Have eaten Elk and Moose, highly recommend. Do not recommend Cat.
On a semi-related note, did you know that density of small songbird populations actually increase as you get closer to eagle nests? This is why.
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2016/04/30 07:40:11
Subject: Viewers appalled at eagles eating a cat on live video feed.
Haven't eaten reindeer. Have eaten Elk and Moose, highly recommend. Do not recommend Cat.
Seconded. Trapped a lynx once. There's barely any meat at all on those beasts. Feeding only 4, we had to make a soup out of it. And it's fairly bland, as far as game meat goes.
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2016/04/30 12:27:28
Subject: Viewers appalled at eagles eating a cat on live video feed.
I'm glad something is eating cats. Cats do tremendous damage to ecosystems when feckless owners let them wander around at will devouring ground nesting birds and the like.
Haven't eaten reindeer. Have eaten Elk and Moose, highly recommend. Do not recommend Cat.
Seconded. Trapped a lynx once. There's barely any meat at all on those beasts. Feeding only 4, we had to make a soup out of it. And it's fairly bland, as far as game meat goes.
Higher up the predatory chain, the poorer the flavor and quantity of meat has been my experience. I have not eaten feline, but have eaten bear and frankly thought it was a waste of time. Herbivores are mostly delicious though, and usually a damned sight more plentiful. Also I seem to recall that parts of cats are very toxic to eat.
As to this story, what story really is there? As about a strongly opinionated animal lover as you're likely to find on dakka, I cannot see what's the problem here or why people would freak out, other than quite daft ones.
A predator ate another animal it had caught, this happens, all day and night, every day and night on planet earth.
2016/04/30 12:50:18
Subject: Viewers appalled at eagles eating a cat on live video feed.
At first I figured this may have been about the band eating a cat on live stream, that may have been less disappointing overall if people got a bit unnerved by it.
Guess someone needs to go around putting trigger warnings on wildlife just in case.
Higher up the predatory chain, the poorer the flavor and quantity of meat has been my experience. I have not eaten feline, but have eaten bear and frankly thought it was a waste of time. Herbivores are mostly delicious though, and usually a damned sight more plentiful. Also I seem to recall that parts of cats are very toxic to eat.
Its probably because predators are less nutritious. It all comes done to biomass and energy. Plants and herbivores give the most, while the apex predator is a waste of time.
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2016/04/30 13:49:17
Subject: Views appaled at eagles eating a cat on live video feed.
Ahtman wrote: Which I suppose then raises the question of who watches predators tearing things apart to eat for fun? I get why scientists and conservationists would, but that isn't really for entertainment. I know how predators get nourishment but I don't think i would ever want to watch a live stream of it for entertainment.
It's a livestream of a Bald Eagle nest.
I don't think many watch it for entertainment, or at least for "NOM NOM NOM YAY EAGLE FEAST!" but it is something that might occasionally get used in classrooms for a learning experience.
2016/04/30 16:11:13
Subject: Views appaled at eagles eating a cat on live video feed.
Higher up the predatory chain, the poorer the flavor and quantity of meat has been my experience. I have not eaten feline, but have eaten bear and frankly thought it was a waste of time. Herbivores are mostly delicious though, and usually a damned sight more plentiful. Also I seem to recall that parts of cats are very toxic to eat.
I think as a general rule of thumb you should avoid eating the livers of carnivores, as the concentrations of Vitamin A in them are extremely high. I know that dog liver is so high in vitamin A that it can give you vitamin A poisoning. Happened to one of the arctic/antarctic expeditions where they ended up having to eat their sled dogs.
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2016/04/30 16:29:24
Subject: Viewers appalled at eagles eating a cat on live video feed.
Breotan wrote: I'm sorta waiting on what Fraz is going to say, given his view on cats.
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2016/04/30 19:56:31
Subject: Re:Viewers appalled at eagles eating a cat on live video feed.
On a dark forrest treetop, cool wind in my hair
Warm smell of cat innards, rising up through the air
Up ahead in the distance, I saw a shimmering light
My head grew heavy and my sight grew dim
I had to roost for the night
There she stood by the webcam
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There were voices down the corridor,
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2016/04/30 20:02:00
Subject: Views appaled at eagles eating a cat on live video feed.
Higher up the predatory chain, the poorer the flavor and quantity of meat has been my experience. I have not eaten feline, but have eaten bear and frankly thought it was a waste of time.
You say that, but crocodile is quite tasty.
2016/04/30 20:12:30
Subject: Views appaled at eagles eating a cat on live video feed.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: Its probably because predators are less nutritious.
It all comes done to biomass and energy. Plants and herbivores give the most, while the apex predator is a waste of time.
That's not what that image is showing. It is a depiction of how much of the original energy input of the sun is passed on to each level of predator per meal. Animals of the same size will have roughly the same energy content regardless of their level on the food chain.
Well the primary producers level of the pyramid tends to be plants and bacteria who engage in photosynthesis. I actually don't think the levels of the pyramid indicate how much energy is in a specific organism, but rather at different consumption levels of an ecosystem. A given area can only support so many plants, and in turn so many plant eating organism, and in turn so many organisms eating the plant eaters, and so many organisms eating the eaters of the plant eaters, so on and so forth.
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