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Uh oh. One of my favorite writers is making a comic with The Liefeld...not sure what to do.
I was pretty amused to see Vancouver destroyed in Alpha Flight. This article is pretty funny http://comics.ign.com/articles/112/1120652p1.html but I can not agree with the rankings. There's no way Marvel's New York is not number 1. Honestly if you could actually chart the Marvel universe timeline, some or all of NYC is destroyed every 33 minutes.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
Okay, so is anyone else reading Fear Itself and feeling confused about the main villain?
He's referred to as the Serpent and was entombed in the ocean. He's also tied into an apocalyptic prophecy. Check, check and check...sounds like Jormangandr, the Midgard Serpent of Norse myth. In the myths, Thor is Jormangandr's arch-enemy and Thor is prophecied to die after killing it. This would makes sense of something in the comics, as
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Odin seems very keen on keeping Thor out of the fight. It looked like Odin was just being a jerk, but in this context he may actually be trying to save his son's life. Jormangandr also is the son of a giantess (and Loki) and giants feature prominently in some of the myths. And note that many of the "worthy" are giantlike...Hulk, Thing, Titania, and Juggernaut. Attuma and Absorbing Man aren't really giantlike, but they're at least brutes.
Trouble is, Jormangandr has appeared in Marvel continuity before, but in the form of a giant serpent. That's not a big deal from a continuity standpoint, but Marvel is apparently saying that the Serpent isn't Jormangandr, but a new character and the god of fear.
I'm not suggesting Marvel can't take liberties with Norse mythology...they've done plenty of that. But doesn't it seem a little convoluted to establish this as a new character but give it a backstory that clearly fits another character? Maybe this will all be resolved, but in the age of unsatisfying comic "events" I'm really not expecting any explanation.
It just seems like the writers are spinning a web that goes nowhere. I dunno, maybe it's just me. *shrug*
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It just seems like the writers are spinning a web that goes nowhere. I dunno, maybe it's just me. *shrug*
No, I think you're on to something - and it sounds very plausible, and good!
Trouble is, writers these days spend a lot of time on trying to "M. Night Shyamalan" us but usually end up being too clever by half and the overall story suffers because of it, oftentimes not making sense, or not having a proper ending.
We'll see where this goes, but this whole series seems set up for the express purpose of making sure certain... things happen, cohesive story be damned!
Today I read the 3rd Gotham Sirens tradepaperback. What I like about this series and any other Gotham story I've read in the last 3 years is, that they really feel conected. Characters change and grow. New characters are introduced and show up again later or are only mentioned. But it really helps to create this own little pocket universe with Gotham City, a feeling I never quite got from Marvel stories.
And is it just me, or has Paul Dini have a thing for bondage? Seems like every other issue Ivy has someone bound and gagged with her vines. Not that I'm complaining.
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I love this show.
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...and I was correct. The Serpent has many facets of Jormangandr's myth -- including the prophecied fight to the death with Thor, followed by Thor taking nine steps and expiring -- but isn't Jormangandr. He's a brother of Odin, kinda Zeus/Poseidon/Hades-style.
Again, they can write whatever they want, but it still seems...odd to me. It's like introducing a new god in the Greek pantheon who throws lightning bolts and overthrew the Titans but isn't Zeus, who is an established god that apparently doesn't/didn't do any of the above. Why so convoluted? Ah whatever.
The issue does set up a fight between Thor and the possessed Thing and Hulk. That should be a nice little scrap. And I guess that's more important than story logic, etc.
Not yet, at least. Facing down both the possessed Hulk and Thing -- each with his own hammer -- doesn't look too promising, although again the prophecy is that he and the Serpent will fight to the death. But I'm guessing Thor will find a way to circumvent the prophecy. IIRC, isn't that what happened with him with Ragnarok -- that he changed/broke the cycle? And I think he never actually died before but went into hibernation.
after the past couple years, i've started to lose faith in Marvels summer event. I think shadowland being a rehash of the only good daredevil story really showed me that they've got nothing.
edit: I say this, while my avatar is SHadow-Devil
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I think the summer events on both sides mostly exist to make a certain thing(s) happen, as someone said earlier. In the case of Fear Itself...
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...two of those things appear to be 1) a focus on Thor/Asgard in the wake of the Thor movie, and 2) Steve Rogers being a prominent player and donning the Cap uniform again just in time for the Cap movie.
Definitely seems like more of a cross-promotional/marketing bent with the Marvel events, but DC's been guilty of this in the past too. Witness the rushed Superman-Lois wedding special done to tie in with the Lois and Clark wedding episode. Which seems like something DC's eager to undo, given what's going to happen after *their* summer event...
Yeah "Fear Itself" is definitely just a promotion for their summer movies. It's got Viking Nazis. What are the two Marvel movies out this summer? The ones with Vikings and Nazis. I think by the time it's all said and done it won't totally suck but it's quite the the slow burn.
Lot of people seem to have similar issues with regards to the Fear event.
.. wait for the trades I guess.
My initial pull list for the DC re boot : JLA, Action Comics, Legion Lost, Fury of Firestorm, Legion of Superheroes, Animal man, Captain Atom, Demon Knights, Frankenstein, Resurrection Man.
Stoked to see the "Shade" mini series as well... Robinsons' Starman series was flawless, a work of class that still reads well to this day.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
Hey, there is a comic book thread. How about that.
I still read them once in a while, but I seldom find them as compelling as I once did. I've been reading The Walking Dead, but find it a little hard to stomach sometimes - not the gore, but the bleakness. There aren't any emotional highs to balance things out.
I also greatly enjoyed the relatively recent Ghost Rider 4 shot - Road to Damnation. Great art, good story.
Also, Marvel Zombies, though the quality has been on an exceedingly steep downward slope after the Ultimates into and first series.
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It's pretty good. Trust me I'm not one of "those guys" who always says "the book is better" but.... The book is better.
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reds8n wrote: Lot of people seem to have similar issues with regards to the Fear event.
.. wait for the trades I guess.
My initial pull list for the DC re boot : JLA, Action Comics, Legion Lost, Fury of Firestorm, Legion of Superheroes, Animal man, Captain Atom, Demon Knights, Frankenstein, Resurrection Man.
Stoked to see the "Shade" mini series as well... Robinsons' Starman series was flawless, a work of class that still reads well to this day.
* This Superman is very much an alien, one struggling to adjust to his adopted home. In the series, he must come to terms with both the loss of his home world, as well as the loss of both of his adopted parents. He is more Kal-El from the planet Krypton than Clark Kent from Kansas. He’s a loner trying to find his place in the world.
* The series’ first storyline will explore the origins of Superman’s costume, as it evolves from a look that includes jeans and work boots to a new look: a suit of battle armor that pays tribute to his Kryptonian past.
* His great powers have limits. When the series begins, Superman can leap tall buildings, but his ability to fly is in its infancy.
And in the SUPERMAN ongoing comic book series, by writer George Perez and artist Jesus Merino, will be set in present day continuity and will unleash a series of new challenges for Superman and his alter ego Clark Kent.
* Clark Kent is single and living on his own. He has never been married.
* Lois Lane is dating a colleague at the DAILY PLANET (and his name isn’t Clark Kent) and she has a new position with the paper.
Timeless and modern, classic and contemporary, but younger, brasher and more brooding, this is Superman. The New Man of Tomorrow.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
2. Action Comics #1 by Grant Morrison and Rags Morales (read more)
3. Superman #1 by George Pérez and Jesus Merino (read more)
4. Superboy #1 by Scott Lobdell and R.B. Silva and Rob Lean (read more)
5. Batman #1 by Scott Snyder and Greg Capullo. (read more)
6. Detective Comics #1 by Tony Daniel (read more)
7. Batgirl #1 by Gail Simone, Ardian Syaf and Vicente Cifuentes. (read more)
8. Batwoman #1 by J.H. Williams III, Haden Blackman and Amy Reeder (read more)
9. Catwoman #1 by Judd Winick and Guillem March (read more)
10. Red Hood And The Outlaws #1 by Scott Lobdell and Kenneth Rocafort (read more)
11. Batwing #1 by Judd Winick and Ben Oliver (read more)
12. Nightwing #1 by Kyle Higgins and Eddy Barrows (read more)
13. Batman And Robin #1 by Peter Tomasi and Patrick Gleason (read more)
14. Adventure Comics DC Universe Presents #1 by Paul Jenkins and Bernard Chang (read more)
15. Green Lantern #1 by Geoff Johns, Doug Mahnke and Christian Alamy (read more)
16. Green Lantern Corps #1 by Peter J. Tomasi, Fernando Pasarin and Scott Hanna (read more)
17. Green Lanterns: New Guardians #1 by Tony Bedard, Tyler Kirkham and Batt (read more)
18. Red Lanterns #1 by Peter Milligan, Ed Benes and Rob Hunter. (read more)
19. Animal Man #1 by Jeff Lemire, Travel Foreman and Dan Green (read more)
20. Swamp Thing #1 by Scott Snyder and Yanick Paquette (read more)
21. Legion Lost #1 by Fabian Nicieza and Chris Batista? Pete Woods (read more)
22. Birds Of Prey #1 by Duane Swierczynski and Jesus Saiz (read more)
23. Teen Titans #1 by Fabian Nicieza Scott Lobdell, Brett Booth and Norm Rapmund (read more)
24. Savage Hawkman #1 by James Robinson Tony Daniel and Philip Tan (read more)
25. Blue Beetle #1 by Tony Bedard and Ig Guara
26. Supergirl #1 by Brian Wood Michael Green and Mike Johnson (read more)
27. Wonder Woman #1 by Brian Azzarello #1 and Cliff Chiang (read more)
28. Fury Of Firestorm #1 by Brian Clevinger Gail Simone, Ethan Van Sciver and Yildiray Cinar. (read more)
29. Aquaman #1 by Geoff Johns and Ivan Reis (read more)
30. Mr Terrific #1 by Eric Wallace and Roger Robinson (read more)
31. Flash #1 by Brian Buccellato and Francis Manapul (read more)
32. Green Arrow #1 by JT Krul and Dan Jurgens (read more)
33. Justice League International #1 by Dan Jurgens and Aaron Lopresti (read more)
34. Captain Atom #1 by JT Krul and Freddie Williams II (read more)
35. Grifter #1 by Nathan Edmondson and CAFU and BIT (read more)
36. Legion of Superheroes by Paul Levitz and Chris Batista? Francis Portela (read more)
37. OMAC #1 by Dan DiDio and Keith Giffen (read more)
38. Batman: The Dark Knight #1 by David Finch (read more)
39. All-Star Western #1 by Jimmy Palmiotti, Justin Grey and Meridat. ( Vigilante #1 by Darwyn Cooke inside?) (read more)
40. Justice League Dark #1 by Peter Milligan and Mikel Janin (read more)
41. Demon Knights #1 by Paul Cornell, Diogenes Neves and Oclair Albert (read more)
42. Frankenstein: Agent Of SHADE #1 by Jeff Lemire and Alberto Ponticelli (read more)
43. Resurrection Man #1 by Dan Abnett, Andy Lanning and Fernando Dagnino (read more)
44. I, Vampire #1 by Josh Fialkov and Andrea Sorrentino (read more)
45. Voodoo #1 by Ron Marz and Sami Basri. (read more)
46. Static Shock #1 by Felicia Henderson, John Rozum, Scott McDaniel and Jonathan Glapion. (read more)
47. Hawk And Dove #1 by Sterling Gates and Rob Liefeld
48. Sgt Rock And The Men Of War #1 by Ivan Brandon and Tom Derenick.
49. Stormwatch #1 by Paul Cornell and Miguel Sepulveda.
50. Deathstroke #1 by Kyle Higgins, Joe Bennett and Art Thibert.
51. Suicide Squad #1 by Adam Glass and Marco Rudy
52. Blackhawks #1 by Mike Costa and Ken Lashley
.. there are/also will be other titles and mini series coming out. I'd expect some of the initial titles to be cancelled to.
.. So.. I'd maybe go for the other lantern related titles, especially the Red Lanterns by Milligan. I would suggest that Batwoman title might also be good for Batfans, the artwork is gorgeous. I also have a good feeling about Animal Man and I am tempted by Swamp Thing as well.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
I wasn't going to pick up the JLA or Batman restarts.
Until I saw the previews.
Damn it!
Also, believe it or not, I actually would be happier if they just said "F' it! We're restarting EVERYTHING!" instead of this strange pseudo-reboot where some stuff is the same and some... isn't?
They're just different takes/approaches on the character really. There will be, of course/eventually, a crossover between some of the books.
But I think you've picked the strongest/best staffed Bat-family book there, Snyder has been writing Detective Comics recently and has been attracting huge plaudits for his work.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
Hmm, can any Brits here recomend a good online service for comics.
After my last post I have figured out which DC characters I'd like to read about and I'm limiting myself to about a tenner a month, so I'll be getting.
Batman
Batwoman
Catwoman
Suicide Squad
Depending on story arcs, I'd also grab any cross over issues from comics I wouldn't be collecting, but hopefully that won't happen too often.
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Anyone looking forward to Brian Azzarello's Wonder Woman as much as I am? I've always been a Wonder Woman fan and a Brian Azzarello fan, so this is a very exciting combination for me.
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most look forward to is The Boys?
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