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Fafnir wrote:Not a fan of the Dreadknight. Just... no... Is this GW's lame attempt to cash in on those gakky Transformers movies?

I like some of the character designs (and resultant toys) for the Bayformers, but I still feel the Dreadknight has no place in a Space Marine army. The fluff doesn't suit them, the machine-as-Monstrous Creature statline doesn't suit them, and the proportions of the miniature doesn't suit them.

And whoever came up with the name "psilencer" should be taken out the back and whipped.

Puscifer wrote:It looks like the bastard child of Megatron (The Bay Version) and and a Grey Knight.

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I dunno, I kinda like it. Its growing on me. However, that is probably because I am imagining what it would be like to drive that thing. THAT would be awesome.
Also, I don't think the pose is great either. If it is anything like the sentinel, some great poses could be made to hide the awkward long legs.

Yup.

WIN!!!

I have only three wishes for this army...

1) please let Dreadimus Prime (TM ) be plastic as I have sooooo many pose conversion ideas planned its crazy.
2) please don't let this army be too elite to the point of the last Daemonhunters Codex - it sucked.
3) MOAR PICTURES!!! Non blurry please. Not saying I'm ungrateful for the ones we have.

Puscifer wrote:3) MOAR PICTURES!!! Non blurry please. Not saying I'm ungrateful for the ones we have.

And without a great big watermark making a bad photo worse.

Maybe part of the reason the dreadknight looks so odd is it's proportions are radically different from the proportions GW has established as "human" for their scale. Normally, figures' heads, hands, shoulders, and pects are huge, while their limbs are quite short compared to their width. Now GW have given us a humanoid robot that's exaggerated the opposite direction, and it just doesn't seem to fit.

That said, I'm not going to judge the model on that blurry of a picture, but I'm not seeing how anything could have a torso that blocky and still come out good. And while I wouldn't mind the old rogue trader knights making an appearance in 40K scale (makes more sense than titans IMHO), I shudder to think what will come if this design aesthetic gets carried on when they get around to redoing Tau.

Heh, good ole Katie.

As to the figures, yeah hard to see, the tall fella looks interesting.

Not one hundred percent I'd be interested in Grey Knights now after getting Eldar, but I might pick up a squad of Termies to paint, use in Space Hulk.

Im sure once we find out that its a plastic model and a better picture we might have a better opinion of it. I know such optimisim is unlikely in this community lol but heres hoping.

If plastic, I imagine the posiving possibilities will be numerous. Look at the wraithlord, (it does look better) but it has a static pose on the box but just look at this site or gw's and you can see the numerous possibilities for posing.

Puscifer wrote: and the fact I'm a Michael Bay fan

You lost me right around here.

I'm all out of hyberbole today - I shall await patiently for pictures not taken by someone in the middle of a typhoon, while fitting to the flashing lights.

Fafnir wrote:

Puscifer wrote: and the fact I'm a Michael Bay fan

You lost me right around here.

Your just jealous as your life isn't one explosion after another - Joke

I'm not going to deny that his filming style is questionable and his films seem to be one explosion after another, but the guy has made some of my favourite films and considering how much money his films throw into the film industry (in which I work in and love), I can't see what he does wrong.

I don't consider myself to have a bad taste in movies, I can fully appriciate the classics (Apocalypse Now, Godfather, Seven Samurai, The Dark Knight, Ben-Hur, Se7en, The Great Escape, Akira, Ghost In The Shell), but for escapism I go to Bay. He just makes films I enjoy.

Sorry for going off topic there, normal transmission will now continue...

How big would you guys say DK is, 7"??? Just trying to get the scale right for my conversion.

Im thinking 5' or 6'

Seriously, the picture is blurry as ****, but the general shape of that walker is terrible. It'll probably have cool details and could make a great base for AdMech conversions and stuff, but out of the box it just doesn't fit the 40k aesthetic.

Kurgash wrote:It's a freaking transformer....

My first thought as well.

TBF, neither do 8ft tall Superhumans riding very large Wolves.

It's the 41st Milennium... there is going to be far superior technology somewhere in the Imperium. Why can't there be large constructs that are piloted by Marines???

Look at Titans...

The GKDK is the same concept, just on a much smaller scale.

Also, IIRC, in the Horus Heresy novel "Mechanicum" wasn't there a force of "small" titan machines with pilots? I might be massively wide of the mark but it just rang a few bells.

Oh - Model doesn't look terrible from a terrible picture but I will reserve judgement for a high quality pic!

Nightwatch wrote: But isn't there a better way, one that doesn't involve such rigid adherence to flat-paneled, curveless geometry? LEGO has been around for a long time.

I understand that the boxiness is something very distinctive to the Imperium, and the space marines especially. I just think that it could have been done in a more subtle way with the storm raven, and also from what I can see of the dreadknight.

Thats what im saying. I was hoping for something like Iron Man's Hulkbuster suit, but with some GW/GK/SM styling to it. Large, bulky, and tough looking, but with some decent style and shape.

That thing looks like a Chinese knockoff of a transformer.


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ph34r wrote:I am not a big fan of the "extended leg" dreadnoughts that you see from time to time.

I go the other way. Though the ones posted are a bit tall, I prefer them to the stunty leg no balance slow machines GW gives us. The GW dreads would have terribly poor mobility even on flat smooth paved surfaces. They would fall over and be stuck with even the slightest roughness of terrain.

That and the short kegs just look dumb.

niallkissick wrote:

It looks like the bastard child of Megatron (The Bay Version) and and a Grey Knight.

First anyone complaining at this point is ridiculous unless they do so with the caveat that you understand you need to wait and see a better picture. Its easy to bash something you've only seen a silhouette of.

For me it looks a bit like Iron Monger here, with just a bit more of the pilots legs showing and leg armor reminiscent of the dreadnought.


Every exo-suit from the Matrix, Iron Man, Aliens, and Avatar have had these rough proportions. The details, anyone claiming to be able to discern them is lying. At least wait till we have clearer pictures. I'm all for bashing GW when they deserve it, but they haven't shown us enough yet. HBMC, this is where you should insert your "Tirade: GW Marketing WTF?, NO.315." That's fair. Complaining of fuzzy details isn't.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

I knew the top looked a little unappealing... this picture makes it that much clearer, why.

Thats wasn't me complaining Mythos, it was a compliment - I actually like it.

So is this the grey knight within the grey knight Xzibit was talking about?



Yo dawg, we heard you like grey knights in your grey knights so we put a grey knight in yo’ grey knight so you can walk while you walk.

Sorry it wasn't directed specifically at you. Though in all honesty comparing anything to a Mike Bay movie... generally insulting.

aka_mythos wrote:Sorry it wasn't directed specifically at you. Though in all honest comparing anything to a Mike Bay movie... generally insulting.

I reiterate that Michael Bay haters are only jealous because they don't have enough explosions in their lives.

After seeing that pic with the pilot highlighted, it's thrown out all the plans I had for a conversion.

Besides it looks more like the mechs from Avatar after that pic too.

Aka_Mythos--the biggest problem I think is simply the fact that it is an exo-suit.

Detail shots aren't going to change the fact that it's a radical, polarizing idea that is just so far beyond the norm for Imperial forces that it feels absurd just looking at it.

Puscifer wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:Sorry it wasn't directed specifically at you. Though in all honest comparing anything to a Mike Bay movie... generally insulting.

I reiterate that Michael Bay haters are only jealous because they don't have enough explosions in their lives.

After seeing that pic with the pilot highlighted, it's thrown out all the plans I had for a conversion.

Besides it looks more like the mechs from Avatar after that pic too.

Not me, I think I can still fit an ork in the pilot's place. Bwah Ha ha! Wheels on the Stormraven as well!

Vhalyar wrote:It's definitely bigger than a Dreadnought, let alone a Terminator. Brass Scorpion wins this round

Thanks, dude!

I'll hold my opinion of whether I like the model or not till I see a better photo. At the very least, it looks like it might be good conversion material for some Apocalypse stuff, like a Subjugator maybe.

Lord Scythican wrote:

Seriously, WTF, when did Grey Knights get XV-9s!

Nightwatch wrote:
My main problem is the size. I don't like how there's this mentality that "bigger is better". Especially with space marines, where all the components are meant to look like they've been specially pixelated, just for you, how big can you go before it gets stupid? That's one of the hugest difficulties with the stormraven: the larger they make their cubic models, the uglier they get. Yes, the stormraven has some lovely detail, its an interesting concept, and the scultping is well done. I bet the dreadknight will be the same. But isn't there a better way, one that doesn't involve such rigid adherence to flat-paneled, curveless geometry? LEGO has been around for a long time.

In GW's defense, this is 40k, where there are humanoid mecha walkers that carry large units of infantry in their feet. And aren't there supposed tob e even bigger titans on the moon that are meant to take on approaching starships or something?

The size doesn't bother me except in the 'tabletop utility' stance. It would, if looked at objectively, have all the usual flaws of a walker mecha (high profile, complex joints as compared to a tank, recoil issues, ground pressure issues) but 40k is a setting where 'rule of cool' really does mean something, so I don't feel it's fair to nitpick.

The stormbird is just a very ugly design, but it does look 'right' next to the Imperial armor and the Thunderhawk.

Puscifer wrote:
I reiterate that Michael Bay haters are only jealous because they don't have enough explosions in their lives.

Speak for yourself... I have atleast 10 explosions everyday before breakfast. Its what happens when you design that stuff for Uncle Sam.

Kanluwen wrote:Aka_Mythos--the biggest problem I think is simply the fact that it is an exo-suit.

Detail shots aren't going to change the fact that it's a radical, polarizing idea that is just so far beyond the norm for Imperial forces that it feels absurd just looking at it.

I think that's reasonable. This is why I was wondering the fluff justification for this machine coming into existence. Before this the fluff and model implication was that this sort of interface wasn't possible, except at the scale of the Titan Legions' Knights.... which would be double the size. Its existence raises many questions... Dreadnoughts are great, but this is inherently less sophisticated and would be more widely desired by Marines who I'm sure would love to have more Dreadnought level capabilities, without waiting for a battle brother to only half-die or an occupancy to open up.

Now in all fairness, even if 40k tech followed the same logic as modern technology I don't believe this tech is outside the capabilities of reach of the Imperium. Dreadnoughts and sentinels show that they have the ability to make the stabilizers and servos to make a walker as this size work. The fact that space marines have the black carapace that allows them to interface with power armor shows that they should be able to interface in the same way with something larger.

What it boils down to is that its out of place because it really should be a more commonplace piece of tech than it is. This indiscrepancy is one GW should address but it really doesn't preclude the Dreadknights existence.

gr1m_dan wrote:Also, IIRC, in the Horus Heresy novel "Mechanicum" wasn't there a force of "small" titan machines with pilots? I might be massively wide of the mark but it just rang a few bells.

I think the smaller 'Knights' as seen in Mechanicum have been around in canon for a while. They might have even been playable in Epic. Smaller, one-man mechs. I thought I remembered them being described as having a rough shape more like the existing Warhound (I.E. a elongated, short 'body' instead of a longer humanoid body) but that may have been trying to apply the known style of the setting to something less well described.

Overall, this isn't a bad looking design (from what I can see of this blurry pic) although it looks a bit static and just doesn't fit in the Imperial design school to me.

I hate the Dredknight for a Regular army,like said looks too Transformery
More something they should of used for a Tau superheavy rather than Imperial.
Needs moar Skulls.

That being said though it would make a great starting point for a Knight Titan