Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Kinda looks like a big penitent engine.

This is the first model that has actually made me think that this Codex could be worth picking up.
I don't mind its shape, reminds me of the power walker from Aliens, which was awesome.

Maybe GKs would be worth it after all.

Guys, Guys I've got a great idea

what if

what if we take a grey knight, right

and put him in an exo suit, ok

but, and here's the kicker, we don't give him any extra protection at the front

What's the worst that could happen?

That does beg the question, "What is the Dreadknight's front armour?"

This does make me think about the imperium and how they have stopped progression a long time ago. Supposedly they have lost a lot of the old knowledge because of the never ending wars. I wonder if the stormraven and dreadknight are signs of the imperium moving forward with tech again?

Or are these vehicles that are being reconned into the old history?

Lord Scythican wrote:That does beg the question, "What is the Dreadknight's front armour?"

It's a MC, doesn't have a AV value, it's T7, S7, 2+/4++

synack wrote:
It's a MC, doesn't have a AV value, it's T7, S7, 2+/4++

And had better be more expensive, pointswise, than a fully loaded hive tyrant.

Based on that, when they finally release a Tau codex, all my battlesuits better be similar because they're actually fully enclosed and look tougher.

FM Ninja 048 wrote:Guys, Guys I've got a great idea

what if

what if we take a grey knight, right

and put him in an exo suit, ok

but, and here's the kicker, we don't give him any extra protection at the front

What's the worst that could happen?

To be fair he is still a GK in Power Armour at least.
Not like having a soft squishy Guardsman piloting it.
Does a Space marine or Terminator really need more protection?

alphaomega wrote:This is the first model that has actually made me think that this Codex could be worth picking up.
I don't mind its shape, reminds me of the power walker from Aliens, which was awesome.

Maybe GKs would be worth it after all.

If none of the "rules" rumors in this thread haven't sold you on GKs, and all it took was the "pretty model" to sell you on GKs, then you are GWs best friend (and most competitve tourny players prey)

This model looks "meh" all things considered, but at least its not as ugly as the Stormraven (blech!)

The rules for GKs however, both terrify and amaze me, they will be a VERY strong opponent for my DE, an interesting match up for my Space wolves, and cannon fodder for my CSMs (ironically...)! The sheer amount of Psychic might these guys bring to the table makes Njal look like Ron Weasley (and Eldrad . Sure, they're very limited in their Anti-Vehicle selectoins, but something tells me that a s7 MC won't have too hard a time ripping open even the toughest of vehicles, but I do find it VERY interesting that the GKs don't seem to have ANY answer to the necron Monolith (or any of the C'Tan all things considered...) making them one of the strangest 5th edition codexes in existnace...

"We can kill just aobut ANY other army out there, but we is scared of NECRONS" -GKGM Codexius Creepus

but then again, based on the current trend, I'm sure they will make an FAQ sometime in June/July that says GKs ignore "Living Metal"(monolith) and "Psychic Abomination"(pariahs) to fix this issue.

Either way, bring on the GKs!

~DAR

Does a Space marine or Terminator really need more protection?

Considering how fast Terminators can go away when targeted by things like twin-linked plasma gun fire from Obliterators, yes, they probably do need more protection. Remember, Terminator armor was designed originally both game-wise and lore-wise to give a modicum of protection in close quarter fighting aboard Space Hulks and such from foes using teeth and claws. On open battlefields it does not offer that same level of protection.

P.S. I love wiping out Terminators at close range with Obliterators. One can imagine the smell of the melting armor as the models are removed from the table.

Interesting pictures, looking forward to more detailed ones for sure.

Need to start painting my landraider's silver again it looks like...

Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:

alphaomega wrote:This is the first model that has actually made me think that this Codex could be worth picking up.
I don't mind its shape, reminds me of the power walker from Aliens, which was awesome.

Maybe GKs would be worth it after all.

If none of the "rules" rumors in this thread haven't sold you on GKs, and all it took was the "pretty model" to sell you on GKs, then you are GWs best friend (and most competitve tourny players prey)

I am not a competitive player. I tend to play more social games and tend to avoid Tournaments and the such. Narrative and campaigns are my thing if I am honest.
I do like painting and modelling more mind. And already having a decent amount of GKs something bigger that isn't a resin dreadnought is much appreciated in my books.

aka_mythos wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Aka_Mythos--the biggest problem I think is simply the fact that it is an exo-suit.

Detail shots aren't going to change the fact that it's a radical, polarizing idea that is just so far beyond the norm for Imperial forces that it feels absurd just looking at it.

I think that's reasonable. This is why I was wondering the fluff justification for this machine coming into existence. Before this the fluff and model implication was that this sort of interface wasn't possible, except at the scale of the Titan Legions' Knights.... which would be double the size. Its existence raises many questions... Dreadnoughts are great, but this is inherently less sophisticated and would be more widely desired by Marines who I'm sure would love to have more Dreadnought level capabilities, without waiting for a battle brother to only half-die or an occupancy to open up.

I really think they should have gone a completely different way with this "Dreadknight". We've got Psykers. We've got MIUs in the fluff, what with the fact that they're how Titans are operated by thought processes(NOT a pilot pressing buttons for the most part).

Now, imagine...a Grey Knight Grandmaster striding onto the field accompanied by a bodyguard of Dreadknights that he's doing nothing more than controlling with his mind.
It's far more interesting than "Dave, climb into the exosuit!" in my eyes.

Now in all fairness, even if 40k tech followed the same logic as modern technology I don't believe this tech is outside the capabilities of reach of the Imperium. Dreadnoughts and sentinels show that they have the ability to make the stabilizers and servos to make a walker as this size work. The fact that space marines have the black carapace that allows them to interface with power armor shows that they should be able to interface in the same way with something larger.

Maybe, but I reiterate that there's actually something 'different' in how the Black Carapace and the MIUs work. The Black Carapace doesn't so much 'interface' them with the power armour but it allows their power armour function as a second skin rather than an exosuit, like the Sisters of Battle or Inquisitors wearing Power Armour have.

What it boils down to is that its out of place because it really should be a more commonplace piece of tech than it is. This indiscrepancy is one GW should address but it really doesn't preclude the Dreadknights existence.

What bugs me the most about it is that it seems like it's too....Orky of a concept.
"Okay, we have these exosuits we use for <loading armament or some other generic usage>(which is what the thing looks like to me, at least). Let's load them up with guns, strap a Grey Knight in and call it a day!"

I'd be far more accepting of it, I think, if it was actually heavily armoured and the weapons didn't for the most part look like an afterthought.

finally I can make dreadnoughts that don't look like waddling toasters, thanks GW for the conversion fodder.

As long as I can use DreadNOUGHTS... I'll be happy. Not the coolest model, but whatever, it's not Pumbagor ugly...

I'm more interested in the PAGK box... and I'm crossing my fingers that it won't cost an arm and a leg...

finally I can make dreadnoughts that don't look like waddling toasters, thanks GW for the conversion fodder.

You're right. This model will become the platform for all future Dreadnought builds. I'm sure the Dreadknight will look good too as long as you fully enclose the torso and make it look more mech-like. Of course it won't look like it belongs in a Space Marine army then, but it will look awesome.

Lord Scythican wrote:That does beg the question, "What is the Dreadknight's front armour?"

This does make me think about the imperium and how they have stopped progression a long time ago. Supposedly they have lost a lot of the old knowledge because of the never ending wars. I wonder if the stormraven and dreadknight are signs of the imperium moving forward with tech again?

Or are these vehicles that are being reconned into the old history?

I think the Stormraven is basically supposed to be a slightly lower-tech version of the Thunderhawk and Stormbird (A big craft seen in a lot of Heresy-era art and fiction). They 'existed' for quite a while before getting a tabletop incarnation, and I don't find that in and of itself bad. It's not weird (to me) when a unit that was mentioned or at least logically existed gets tweaked to have an in-game representation. We can assume that Imperial Guard forces have mess sections to provide food for the troops, even if they don't have a tabletop appearance. However, if there was a table-top addition of a Cadian Chow Wagon (The Flamer is loaded with salsa!) it wouldn't be too awkward, as that's an element that both logically exists (albeit off-camera) and the fact that it hasn't shown up before now isn't too big a deal.

On the other hand, stuff that sticks out by it's conspicuous absence before now and is portrayed as having always been there is annoying and causes problems. The Thunderwolf Cavalry, for example, which seems like something that someone would've mentioned in the 10,000+ years the Space Wolves have been around. Unless the fluff mentions that they're new, it's a bit jarring that this cool (well, somewhat cool, I guess. Maybe.) unit was never seen until just recently. The Dreadknight is much the same, with the added twist that people would probably be fine if it was a Knight-class Titan (or variant thereof) instead of a weird add-on for Space Marine armor.

This is, of course, entirely subjective.

I have to admit that Grey Knights will probably join my Dantewing on the shelf of "looks awesome but doesn't win" that I take to friendly games, but not tournaments. The dreadknight is amazing to me just in concept. As a giant robot fan, I'll probably get at least three, and paint them all in custom colors from various giant robot shows.

Meh. I'll echo everyone else and say that it looks like a transformer.

I don't know what they were thinking, really. It doesn't match the general aesthetic of the...entire game, I suppose. Long legs just aren't something you see very often (inb4 sentinels hurr), and I can't really get used to it.

The rest of the grey knights look cool, although as a chaos player, I find them disgusting Too bright and 'epic' looking.

Samus_aran115 wrote:Meh. I'll echo everyone else and say that it looks like a transformer.

I don't know what they were thinking, really. It doesn't match the general aesthetic of the...entire game, I suppose. Long legs just aren't something you see very often (inb4 sentinels hurr), and I can't really get used to it.

The rest of the grey knights look cool, although as a chaos player, I find them disgusting Too bright and 'epic' looking.

People said the same for the Tau when they came out. I suppose we will get use to it. Personally I think it is nice to see GW breathing life into this army. The huge walker will definitely give Grey Knights their own unique feel. Wont be just another “Marines with different rules and different paintjobs” codex.

That's true. They have the stormraven as well, which makes them a rather unique army. It's hard to even call them a marine army. They're getting dangerously close to chaos (defiler=dreadknight)

But will the stormraven be able to carry it? I hope not.

Relax, everyone. If it makes you feel better, the Dreadknight kit comes with a tiny Megan Fox model.

Samus_aran115 wrote:That's true. They have the stormraven as well, which makes them a rather unique army. It's hard to even call them a marine army. They're getting dangerously close to chaos (defiler=dreadknight)

I completely forgot about that. This will also mix up the whole Space Marine Codex - Xeno codex - space marine codex thing, since the Grey Knights are distancing themselves design wise from the SM.

@agnosto: I think it would be cool, but it would need to "transform" into a smaller object for transportation.

Cryonicleech wrote:I'm more interested in the PAGK box... and I'm crossing my fingers that it won't cost an arm and a leg...

You gonne buy these from Wallmart somehow?

Father Gabe wrote:I guess when GW sees a great idea, they take it and TM it.

Only if you are into your dreads looking like they are doing the 3 year old "Pee Pee dance".

Breotan wrote:

Cryonicleech wrote:I'm more interested in the PAGK box... and I'm crossing my fingers that it won't cost an arm and a leg...

You gonne buy these from Wallmart somehow?

It wiill probably be at least as much as the Space Marine Terminators. $10.00 a mini seems to be the going rate.

Pyronick wrote:Only if you are into your dreads looking like they are doing the 3 year old "Pee Pee dance".

In the Dread's defense, they have been holding it for a long time.

Lord Scythican wrote:
People said the same for the Tau when they came out. I suppose we will get use to it. Personally I think it is nice to see GW breathing life into this army. The huge walker will definitely give Grey Knights their own unique feel. Wont be just another “Marines with different rules and different paintjobs” codex.

Tau can get away with a lot because they're a different race with a different history. Grey Knights are part of the Imperium, which has several established themes that most armies break slightly for their own special 'schtick.'

Lord Scythican wrote:People said the same for the Tau when they came out.

The difference is that a new species that has not had much to do with the Imperium should look different. The Grey Knights don't have that excuse.

AlexHolker wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:People said the same for the Tau when they came out.

The difference is that a new species that has not had much to do with the Imperium should look different. The Grey Knights don't have that excuse.

It looks a lot like the Penitent Engine, but better. That's good enough of an excuse for me. Besides those legs look way better (even blurry). I hate the stubs on the normal dreads. Heck they had to mod them so the dreads could go up a hill in Dawn of War.

that thing is the size of a trygon...but looks like:

aegis armour is kinda armoured power armour, GK terminator armour is kinda armoured aegis armour, and this thing is kinda armoured terminator armour...so this is armoured armoured armoured armour?