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 Orlanth wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
An Iceland in my area is opening early in the morning for the elderly only. Happy days.

Very nice idea.

It certainly is. And I like to think that anyone trying to bully their way in will be...shown the door...

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
you'd have to live in it, which unless you're some sort of zen master, will be impossible.

I can use it for a critical journey and not afterwards.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
haha, ok, you wear that mask for your train journey, and let me know how it was afterwards..

I'm assuming from how youre talking that you've never actually worn it, as in were in the forces at all?

No I am not, but I know plenty of people who were. Was a service brat long ago. No, they are not nice to wear, but people did if they had to. I intend to shave, man up and wear it as long as I need to. I don't have spare filters so I will save it for critical uses. Ideally I want to get a surgical mask before I make my journey on the 19th, but if I have to use an S10, I will do so.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
you should make sure it has a tin foil head covering too, for maximum effectiveness.

Sounds like you are being a troll. Was it worthless trying to ask you for advice?

Let me get this straight. You are a current or ex-serviceman right. So was my father. He is elderly, bedbound and right now I am serving as his carer. So I really do not want to get COVID-19, and if I have to jump through hoops not to, I will do so. No matter how stupid I look. Got it?
The journey to London later this week is something I would like to avoid, but it cannot be put off. I have to get to London deal with official business, jumping through hoops for an annual safety check, and get fething home without being infected. Anything that increases the % of doing that I will do.
So if you have anything relevant to add other than snarky comments please do contribute to the thread.
My father was issued with the mask but never had to use it. Yes he had some training, long ago.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
you should make sure it has a tin foil head covering too, for maximum effectiveness.

It's not crazy to buy a mask. I haven't worn mine yet, but it's there if I need it.


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@ Orlanth if you're looking for something that will work, the one I bought will, and it isn't expensive. Comes with filter cartridges. Seller is Australian but you should be able to get the same thing on ebay.uk.



https://www.ebay.com/itm/For-3M-6000-Series-Full-Face-Vapor-Dust-Mask-Respirator-6800-Spray-Paint-New/372719970854?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2648

You need an N95 standard mask which is correctly fitted, and eye protection.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
You need an N95 standard mask which is correctly fitted, and eye protection.

I am seeing lots of masks.

Why N95?

Also why eye protection?

Educate me please.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
You need an N95 standard mask which is correctly fitted, and eye protection.

I definitely wouldn't trust an N95 to do anything Frankly precisely because they never fit, do not seal, and do not have secure fastners. For any kind of respirator to work effectively you need to create a seal, which is why if you turned up to work in an an environment in which isocyanates/ polyvinyls were being sprayed in goggles and an N95 you'd be asked to leave and told to come back when you have something that works. I know that vapors aren't analogous to particles, but if you don't have a tight seal, you might as well not be wearing anything at all regardless of what you're trying to keep out.


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 Orlanth wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
You need an N95 standard mask which is correctly fitted, and eye protection.

I am seeing lots of masks.

Why N95?

Also why eye protection?

Educate me please.

@ Orlanth I almost never do this, but please ignore anyone telling you an N95 is going to insulate you. It's bs. That's why doctors using them keep getting infected. Take it from someone who used to work with really dangerous gak; if you don't have a seal, you don't have mask. End of.

OK, tell me more. Are there and dox on the 3M 6000?
I will buy if it checks out. I would like to order from ebay asap because I must travel Thursday evening. It will take a late train, less crowded.

I definitely wouldn't trust an N95 to do anything Frankly precisely because they never fit, do not seal, and do not have secure fastners. For any kind of respirator to work effectively you need to create a seal, which is why if you turned up to work in an an environment in which isocyanates/ polyvinyls were being sprayed in goggles and an N95 you'd be asked to leave and told to come back when you have something that works. I know that vapors aren't analogous to particles, but if you don't have a tight seal, you might as well not be wearing anything at all regardless of what you're trying to keep out.

Do I need a HEPA filter to keep out a virus? Or am I keeping out droplets of moisture viruses travel in?

Just reading through this thread and there are some real doom and gloom freaks on here. The world is not coming to and end just because bog paper is short supply and you don’t need a respirator to go to work. I played rugby this morning with about 300 people,we then drank pints,eat food and congregated together and the world kept turning.

It will still be there tomorrow morning and long after that. Yes I worry about the elderly etc but the vast majority will be fine. I have two friends who have the virus now and it’s a mild temp and a cough,nothing more.

 darkness screamer wrote:
Just reading through this thread and there are some real doom and gloom freaks on here. The world is not coming to and end just because bog paper is short supply and you don’t need a respirator to go to work. I played rugby this morning with about 300 people,we then drank pints,eat food and congregated together and the world kept turning.

It will still be there tomorrow morning and long after that. Yes I worry about the elderly etc but the vast majority will be fine. I have two friends who have the virus now and it’s a mild temp and a cough,nothing more.

Hope you never see anything worse than this.....

 Orlanth wrote:
OK, tell me more. Are there and dox on the 3M 6000?
I will buy if it checks out. I would like to order from ebay asap because I must travel Thursday evening. It will take a late train, less crowded.

I definitely wouldn't trust an N95 to do anything Frankly precisely because they never fit, do not seal, and do not have secure fastners. For any kind of respirator to work effectively you need to create a seal, which is why if you turned up to work in an an environment in which isocyanates/ polyvinyls were being sprayed in goggles and an N95 you'd be asked to leave and told to come back when you have something that works. I know that vapors aren't analogous to particles, but if you don't have a tight seal, you might as well not be wearing anything at all regardless of what you're trying to keep out.

Do I need a HEPA filter to keep out a virus? Or am I keeping out droplets of moisture viruses travel in?

You're just keeping out moisture droplets, which are airborne to an extent. I'm not a virologist, so I can't comment on how often you would need to change the cartridges, or how long the virus can live in them. But I can guarantee you that an Organic vapour cartridge will screen out airborne moisture 100%, and I can confirm the mask I bought is decent quality, and the seal is excellent.

The main thing you want to do is fit it so the mask is as tight as you can stand. If the rubber seal isn't expanding and contracting with your breathing, it isn't tight enough.

 darkness screamer wrote:
Just reading through this thread and there are some real doom and gloom freaks on here. The world is not coming to and end just because bog paper is short supply and you don’t need a respirator to go to work. I played rugby this morning with about 300 people,we then drank pints,eat food and congregated together and the world kept turning.

It will still be there tomorrow morning and long after that. Yes I worry about the elderly etc but the vast majority will be fine. I have two friends who have the virus now and it’s a mild temp and a cough,nothing more.

I do agree with you (until yesterday I was still going out, kissing friends / handshaking, etc) but it doesn't hurt to get ready, just in case. The opposite can't be stuff... The poor guy takes care of his father, I totally encourage him to get his mask, even if it doesn't work, at least he would have done everything possible to avoid it.

 godardc wrote:

 darkness screamer wrote:
Just reading through this thread and there are some real doom and gloom freaks on here. The world is not coming to and end just because bog paper is short supply and you don’t need a respirator to go to work. I played rugby this morning with about 300 people,we then drank pints,eat food and congregated together and the world kept turning.

It will still be there tomorrow morning and long after that. Yes I worry about the elderly etc but the vast majority will be fine. I have two friends who have the virus now and it’s a mild temp and a cough,nothing more.

I do agree with you (until yesterday I was still going out, kissing friends / handshaking, etc) but it doesn't hurt to get ready, just in case. The opposite can't be stuff... The poor guy takes care of his father, I totally encourage him to get his mask, even if it doesn't work, at least he would have done everything possible to avoid it.

To be honest he’s likely to break his own neck,falling over trying to go to work in respirator. But it’s free country.

Also why eye protection?

Because they're what's sometimes wonderfully graphically referred to as a "soft entrance." Basically most pathogens can gain access to your body via any moist part. While this is usually the mucus membranes in and around the respiratory system, your eyes are fair game too.

Covid isn't considered to be particularly easily transmissible via the eyes, but is does appear to be considered possible.

 darkness screamer wrote:

 godardc wrote:

 darkness screamer wrote:
Just reading through this thread and there are some real doom and gloom freaks on here. The world is not coming to and end just because bog paper is short supply and you don’t need a respirator to go to work. I played rugby this morning with about 300 people,we then drank pints,eat food and congregated together and the world kept turning.

It will still be there tomorrow morning and long after that. Yes I worry about the elderly etc but the vast majority will be fine. I have two friends who have the virus now and it’s a mild temp and a cough,nothing more.

I do agree with you (until yesterday I was still going out, kissing friends / handshaking, etc) but it doesn't hurt to get ready, just in case. The opposite can't be stuff... The poor guy takes care of his father, I totally encourage him to get his mask, even if it doesn't work, at least he would have done everything possible to avoid it.

To be honest he’s likely to break his own neck,falling over trying to go to work in respirator. But it’s free country.

I used to make molds in air-supplied respirators. If you fall over and break your neck wearing a simple full face respirator then nature has selected you for the Darwin award.

 Orlanth wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
You need an N95 standard mask which is correctly fitted, and eye protection.

I am seeing lots of masks.

Why N95?

Also why eye protection?

Educate me please.

To keep droplets containing viruses out of your eyes.

Ok, I did some searches and I bought a 3M 6000 series mask, with visor.
Prepared for -4 Cha on my journey to London and back.

Did this mainly because I don't know where the S6/S10 is and might not find it in time.


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 godardc wrote:
The poor guy takes care of his father, I totally encourage him to get his mask, even if it doesn't work, at least he would have done everything possible to avoid it.

If I don't buy the mask and do get symptomic sometime in the next three weeks I will not be able to live with myself. I live in an area with no recorded cases, yet, moving to an area with relatively many. Yes, psychology is a factor.
Also while mask wearing is considered unnecessary, carers are one of the exceptions.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/15/can-a-face-mask-stop-coronavirus-covid-19-facts-checked

Claim: ‘Face masks don’t work’
Wearing a face mask is certainly not an iron-clad guarantee that you won’t get sick – viruses can also transmit through the eyes and tiny viral particles, known as aerosols, can penetrate masks. However, masks are effective at capturing droplets, which is a main transmission route of coronavirus, and some studies have estimated a roughly fivefold protection versus no barrier alone (although others have found lower levels of effectiveness).

If you are likely to be in close contact with someone infected, a mask cuts the chance of the disease being passed on. If you’re showing symptoms of coronavirus, or have been diagnosed, wearing a mask can also protect others. So masks are crucial for health and social care workers looking after patients and are also recommended for family members who need to care for someone who is ill – ideally both the patient and carer should have a mask.

However, masks will probably make little difference if you’re just walking around town or taking a bus so there is no need to bulk-buy a huge supply.

 Orlanth wrote:
Ok, I did some searches and I bought a 3M 6000 series mask, with visor.
Prepared for -4 Cha on my journey to London and back.

Did this mainly because I don't know where the S6/S10 is and might not find it in time.


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 godardc wrote:
The poor guy takes care of his father, I totally encourage him to get his mask, even if it doesn't work, at least he would have done everything possible to avoid it.

If I don't buy the mask and do get symptomic sometime in the next three weeks I will not be able to live with myself. I live in an area with no recorded cases, yet, moving to an area with relatively many. Yes, psychology is a factor.

Just make sure it comes with the cartridges. And what you're doing isn't unreasonable, because you're taking care of someone who is very vulnerable to this type of infection.

My throat has been odd all day today. Not raw and dry, but claggy, like I’ve got something stuck in it. Wondering if I need to do something.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
My throat has been odd all day today. Not raw and dry, but claggy, like I’ve got something stuck in it. Wondering if I need to do something.

Fever?

Nope. Beyond the throat, I feel fine. Great even.

 ScarletRose wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
I disagree - everyone rushing out to buy months worth of food would be a huge mistake, imo. The coronavirus will not disrupt food chains, but panic buying might. Just act reasonably, and take reasonable precautions. Panic is the absolute worst thing to do - and that includes buying habits.

Rationally you're right,t but it's like a run on the bank. As soon as some people start hoarding everyone else has to go out and buy just to make sure they get something.

Actually, if some people hoard, it's mostly irrelevant. The issues only come from Lots of people doing so, as being very irresponsibly advocated for in this thread by some, imo.

There are lots of public health recommendations to follow right now, and none of them are recommending buying months worth of food. Listen to the experts, and act reasonably, not based on irrational panic.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
Nope. Beyond the throat, I feel fine. Great even.

Are you Pollen allergic?

Actually yes. Hay fever hits me like a tonne of bricks. Oh, and yesterday I was cleaning the place so I’ve been exposed to dust.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
Actually yes. Hay fever hits me like a tonne of bricks. Oh, and yesterday I was cleaning the place so I’ve been exposed to dust.

Meh be cautious, follow the instructions provided for suspected cases .


Also Pollen allergies annoying as hell,feel ya There.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
Actually yes. Hay fever hits me like a tonne of bricks. Oh, and yesterday I was cleaning the place so I’ve been exposed to dust.

Hits me too - actually found a useful tip form another sufferer which was to combine the nasal sprays with the tablets. I'd never really found either one on their own (over the years) did much for me, but the combined effect was far more effective. I still can't go running through super long grass or reedbeds during the height of the season; but the combined use at least took a considerable edge off for me. I wasn't even using anything fancy just the standard tablets and spray from Boots

 Overread wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
Actually yes. Hay fever hits me like a tonne of bricks. Oh, and yesterday I was cleaning the place so I’ve been exposed to dust.

Hits me too - actually found a useful tip form another sufferer which was to combine the nasal sprays with the tablets. I'd never really found either one on their own (over the years) did much for me, but the combined effect was far more effective. I still can't go running through super long grass or reedbeds during the height of the season; but the combined use at least took a considerable edge off for me. I wasn't even using anything fancy just the standard tablets and spray from Boots

Lucky , i get nosebleeding from them.

Worst of it, i am allergic to nigh anything pollen and the extremely mild "Winter" we had isn't helping....

Roberts84 wrote:

Just make sure it comes with the cartridges.

2x everything cartridge wise, so no. But what I have got should take me there and home. When I am back I can order more cartridges prior to peak virus.

Roberts84 wrote:

And what you're doing isn't unreasonable, because you're taking care of someone who is very vulnerable to this type of infection.

Thank you for the affirmation. Though I do not want to uptalk myself. I am no caring angel, my father has nurses and they are regularly tested at this time. I am disabled myself, but got a good Con stat and my particular disability doesn't put me in a high risk category. I shrug of infection easily, and to be honest so did my dad, but not anymore. Normally keep him company and come and go, I go up to visit him very frequently stay a while then return home.. Except I had to make a choice a few weeks ago: Stay or go. I chose to stay with him for the duration. When here I make the tea and I do wipe bottoms and deal with bedbound care stuff when needed, but his primary care is provided by the NHS, and the service here is very good.

I have a flat near London, and it's Council annual gas safety check time. It's the law, so it must be done. So I will go back home, let the gas man in, see what else needs to be done around the flat and then travel back the following evening, or after the weekend. Looks like I will be at my fathers home for the duration if I can help it. Council are Ok with this as it counts as isolation, not property abandonment, but the gas check cannot be waived as it potentially effects the whole block. I can understand that.

Its odd that a safety check is causing me to take a relatively high risk journey, but those are the cards dealt.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
My throat has been odd all day today. Not raw and dry, but claggy, like I’ve got something stuck in it. Wondering if I need to do something.

Could be psychosomatic. I was in the supermarket and saw the empty shelves where the hand sanitiser was. This was the first time I had actually seen this for myself. I thought of the reality of the virus and felt a cough coming on. I don't have a cough, I just felt like coughing right then. This was the supermarket where I did most of my prepping in late 2018 through to summer 2019. So to be there with signs of a crisis was rather eerie.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
Actually yes. Hay fever hits me like a tonne of bricks. Oh, and yesterday I was cleaning the place so I’ve been exposed to dust.

Some good news for you. I used to really suffer from hay fever, it was the only recurring problem in my youth. I would wake up with my inflamed eyelids welded shut by sticky 'resin'. In my teenage years it was bad. By my early twenties I had some symptoms for a few days at the beginning of summer, by the time I was thirty I might get it for a day or two, and then only mildly. I long ceased taking any medication for it because my symptoms have lessened over time.
Point is, it is an illness that can lessen with age, YMMV but there is hope that in a decades time hay fever isn't a problem for you anymore. We can only hope.
Meanwhile, sympathies, I know it can be really unpleasant.

 darkness screamer wrote:

 godardc wrote:

 darkness screamer wrote:
Just reading through this thread and there are some real doom and gloom freaks on here. The world is not coming to and end just because bog paper is short supply and you don’t need a respirator to go to work. I played rugby this morning with about 300 people,we then drank pints,eat food and congregated together and the world kept turning.

It will still be there tomorrow morning and long after that. Yes I worry about the elderly etc but the vast majority will be fine. I have two friends who have the virus now and it’s a mild temp and a cough,nothing more.

I do agree with you (until yesterday I was still going out, kissing friends / handshaking, etc) but it doesn't hurt to get ready, just in case. The opposite can't be stuff... The poor guy takes care of his father, I totally encourage him to get his mask, even if it doesn't work, at least he would have done everything possible to avoid it.

To be honest he’s likely to break his own neck,falling over trying to go to work in respirator. But it’s free country.

or collapse from heat exhaustion...

But if nothing else the thought of someone sat chilling on a train wearing a military respirator designed for a chemical warfare environment has made me laugh today.

Actually, a face mask helps in the sense that it keeps you from touching your face with your fingers. A study showed that we touch our faces about once every three minutes (23 times per hour). Of course, that only means you can wear a scarf and sunglasses for the same protection.

IMO, Gloves are useful when you're out in public and touching public surfaces, such as door handles. You can stay distant from other people, but you don't know when that door handle was last touched or by whom.

In California, we're not in just an earthquake zone, but areas prone to wild fires. Earthquakes break gas lines and water lines, increasing the chance of fires, and reducing water pressure resulting in no water for fire engines to put out fires. Goggles, face masks, gloves (and smoke alarms) provide protection against smoke and smoke particulates in a burning area. (Keep a set next to the bed!)

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

 darkness screamer wrote:

 godardc wrote:

 darkness screamer wrote:
Just reading through this thread and there are some real doom and gloom freaks on here. The world is not coming to and end just because bog paper is short supply and you don’t need a respirator to go to work. I played rugby this morning with about 300 people,we then drank pints,eat food and congregated together and the world kept turning.

It will still be there tomorrow morning and long after that. Yes I worry about the elderly etc but the vast majority will be fine. I have two friends who have the virus now and it’s a mild temp and a cough,nothing more.

I do agree with you (until yesterday I was still going out, kissing friends / handshaking, etc) but it doesn't hurt to get ready, just in case. The opposite can't be stuff... The poor guy takes care of his father, I totally encourage him to get his mask, even if it doesn't work, at least he would have done everything possible to avoid it.

To be honest he’s likely to break his own neck,falling over trying to go to work in respirator. But it’s free country.

or collapse from heat exhaustion...

But if nothing else the thought of someone sat chilling on a train wearing a military respirator designed for a chemical warfare environment has made me laugh today.

Enjoy. Soldiers have a grim sense of humour granted. If you see me on a train with a mask on Thursaday evening, come say hello and have a good laugh at my expense.
It will keep in mind the risk of neck injury if I fall forwards wearing a hard face protrusion. Don't think that is Darwin award material though, just bad luck. If I did parkour with one on, maybe.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

or collapse from heat exhaustion.

I am not a serviceman, but that doesnt mean I am a snowflake. I will also be travelling in the evening and no yomping. From what I remember from my time in Rhiendahlen and talking to soldiers wearing NBC reduce % of combat effectiveness. From top of head in temperate conditions its about 60% effectiveness, NBC in the jungle is under 5% effectiveness. Now this is with full noddy suit. I will only have a mask at a cool time of year at a cool time of day.
I could ask my father but he has little to add, only that I must shave to wear a mask effectively. He wouldn't know any more than that because he was RAF, and not a Rock Ape, so only had minimal training.