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I think what was actually being said is that fancy expensive masks are no more effective than surgical masks.
You don't need the ReBreathX5000 for £100 as it's no better than some £5 UwU face mask
ValentineGames wrote: I think what was actually being said is that fancy expensive masks are no more effective than surgical masks.
You don't need the ReBreathX5000 for £100 as it's no better than some £5 UwU face mask
I cant get a face mask, it is something I completely overlooked frankly. One of the thing prepper forums say is that you cant prep for everything, you will need to adapt when the crisis is specified. I wasn't out the gate fast enough, looking back it was because when I first saw the problem I was ahead of the curve but rained in. Every time I wanted to do a shop run it was raining very heavily, then floods came etc. By then it was too late. I should have mail ordered but didnt think of that.
So I don't have any face masks. But there is a gas mask in the garage, I cant credit myself with foresight in any way, its my dads old service one from the 80's. I know nothing about gas masks, excerpt that the British one was quality stuff, objectively the best NBC protection gear at the time, by a significant margin. Though I only have the mask, not a noddy suit, and no. I wouldn't be wearing a noddy suit anyway.
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RiTides wrote: I disagree - everyone rushing out to buy months worth of food would be a huge mistake, imo. The coronavirus will not disrupt food chains, but panic buying might. Just act reasonably, and take reasonable precautions. Panic is the absolute worst thing to do - and that includes buying habits.
Rationally you're right,t but it's like a run on the bank. As soon as some people start hoarding everyone else has to go out and buy just to make sure they get something.
I prefer to buy from miniature manufacturers that *don't* support the overthrow of democracy.
I am going to grab some miniatures and bunker down.
Else the roof will fall on my head.
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Da Boss wrote: Hmmm. Masks do not completely stop the virus, I think is more accurate. But if masks do not help, then why do doctors wear them?
Surgical masks don't stop the virus. You need the N95 (if I recall right!) for that, and those count as respirators not masks and need to be individually fitted. Smog masks are completely useless.
However, the point being made is that it's the people that suspect they might be sick should wear the mask to stop their cough/sneezes going everywhere on healthy people, as this is much better way to stop spread than wearing a mask, but ending up with infected spittle all over your clothes for example.
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Surgical masks are designed to prevent droplets and stuff from falling into patients when the Dr has to open you up.
They are ineffective against stuff coming into your body. So wearing one while you are sick is useful against the spread, but little else.
The respirator masks that filter out microscopic particles help one from getting sick by breathing in the virus. But there is a shortage for these, and I’d suggest that unless you are in a very high risk category, or work in a hospital, you don’t really need a mask.
People panic buying stuff is what’s going to disrupt supply chains and create shortages. Slight modifications in your behaviour is all that’s required for one to limit their exposure.
We don’t need to be emptying out the flu medication aisles (yep, the store this morning was devoid of any, despite on 29 cases in Alberta), as when some is actually sick and needs medication, it’s not there for them.
Hoarding isn’t going to help anyone survive a viral outbreak.
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I work at a Walmart, and we've been hit pretty hard lately. No toilet paper to be had, no paper towels either, and a lot of certain kinds of food are gone too (cereal is the one I noticed immediately). I already have a decent supply of TP and paper towels at home, so no worries there, and since my place of work sells food it's unlikely to be shut down unless employees start being confirmed to have the virus, so hopefully (fingers crossed) I shouldn't have to worry about losing employment. I'm not too worried about getting sick either; my immune system is pretty robust as I rarely get even mildly sick despite close contact with the public on a regular basis.
I'm not going to panic and stock up on stuff; I expect things to settle down once the panicky people get what they want and the shelves will be restocked. I'm still taking basic precautions like more frequent hand washing and use of sanitizer, but I'm a fairly hygienic person anyway. If something weird happens and I do end up quarantined, I can probably use my paid time off to cover my lost hours if necessary (for a couple of weeks anyways) and I've got plenty of hobby stuff I can do to keep boredom at bay. This whole thing will blow over soon enough and we'll all have some interesting stories to tell our grandchildren.
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RiTides wrote: I disagree - everyone rushing out to buy months worth of food would be a huge mistake, imo. The coronavirus will not disrupt food chains, but panic buying might. Just act reasonably, and take reasonable precautions. Panic is the absolute worst thing to do - and that includes buying habits.
Rationally you're right,t but it's like a run on the bank. As soon as some people start hoarding everyone else has to go out and buy just to make sure they get something.
RiTides wrote: I disagree - everyone rushing out to buy months worth of food would be a huge mistake, imo. The coronavirus will not disrupt food chains, but panic buying might. Just act reasonably, and take reasonable precautions. Panic is the absolute worst thing to do - and that includes buying habits.
Rationally you're right,t but it's like a run on the bank. As soon as some people start hoarding everyone else has to go out and buy just to make sure they get something.
If lockdown happens you may have to eat those words. There will be little else to eat.
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Da Boss wrote: A decent mask is at least effective against droplets, which is better than nothing.
Which is funny, because our media is quick to point out that masks do not help against the virus. This is obvious lie, but I'm thinking why they would tell it. It is probably just ignorance, but desire to limit demand for masks might be also another cause, though it is very far fetched.
In the end, I believe this is Nurgle's blessing. We simply struggle to see the beauty and elegance of his gift to mankind.
Think of it this way: the viewpoint must be presented in black or white. There can be no nuance in the presentation, no partials. They must be either said to work or not to work.
If I have to go out in peak virus for any reason, I hope to have this ready. The mask is unused so should be ok, but I have no ability to change the filters, no I don;t want to overuse it early. The rubber might have decayed, but that shouldn't make a lot of difference. I am not trying to stop poison gas. My beard will have to go though if I wear it.
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The thing with them is that if you are going to get infected with a virus, it will be probably through different means. Yet, face masks are effective at what they are designed to do that is to prevent droplets from moving in and out of a mask. Filters work in both directions. These masks were used since forever and nobody questioned their effectiveness, so nothing changes now. A mask would save you if infected person sneezes and you inhale some of those droplets who are in the air. Mask would prevent them from reaching you in general. That is limited protection and virus is transmitted more from touching stuff. This is why everyone recommends washing your hands frequently.
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When? The classic 'KCaCO' period in the UK didn't really do that well in terms on keeping calm and carrying on. WWII saw rationing as a specific response to panic buying and the blitz brought a leap in rape, murder, robbery, and burlgary.
It's a thing to aim for, but we should expect, and be entirely prepared for, people to behave unpredictably and selfishly, and appealing to a misleading social memory doesn't get us very far, I don't think.
It was meant to be a light hearted quip about mindest, not an actual response plan.
The key thing to remember if you do chose to wear a mask (and have access to them) is that you need to treat the outside of them as contaminated
so every time you touch it you need to wash your hands, dispose of it once your back home (or just outside).
if your a man (or an unlucky woman) shave, they won't seal well at all if you've got a beard
the more often you reuse it the more likely you'll transfer virus from the outside of it to the inside where you'll end up breathing it in (the moisture in your breath will help keep the virus alive on a mask longer than it would normally last on a soft or hard surface)
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: The key thing to remember if you do chose to wear a mask (and have access to them) is that you need to treat the outside of them as contaminated
so every time you touch it you need to wash your hands, dispose of it once your back home (or just outside).
if your a man (or an unlucky woman) shave, they won't seal well at all if you've got a beard
the more often you reuse it the more likely you'll transfer virus from the outside of it to the inside where you'll end up breathing it in (the moisture in your breath will help keep the virus alive on a mask longer than it would normally last on a soft or hard surface)
Ok. Say I got a mask but could only get one, not unlikely. Could I soak it in bleach or disinfectant overnight and reuse?
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queen_annes_revenge wrote: are you seriously considering walking about with an S10 on your face? just dont.
Yes. But will wait until emergencies and in peak virus. I will need it most then and also wont look so stupid.
That is unless you can see a downside to it other than -5 Cha? If so, do tell.
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OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: The key thing to remember if you do chose to wear a mask (and have access to them) is that you need to treat the outside of them as contaminated
so every time you touch it you need to wash your hands, dispose of it once your back home (or just outside).
if your a man (or an unlucky woman) shave, they won't seal well at all if you've got a beard
the more often you reuse it the more likely you'll transfer virus from the outside of it to the inside where you'll end up breathing it in (the moisture in your breath will help keep the virus alive on a mask longer than it would normally last on a soft or hard surface)
Ok. Say I got a mask but could only get one, not unlikely. Could I soak it in bleach or disinfectant overnight and reuse?
I would not re-use the mask. If you don't know that you will be encountering an infected person, you probably don't need one. Just maintain distance and you should be fine.
Well, that's the thing- and I could be wrong here. If I am by all means correct me, I am no epidemiologist or medical personnel. From what I've read, the virus has a 2 week incubation period, and gears up slowly, with symptoms virtually identical to allergies or the flu in its early stages. You pass coughing people all the time. By the time you slap on that S10, you've probably already been exposed. This thing's going to get everywhere.
Probably the wisest thing to do is to restrict your own exposure as much as possible- don't stockpile for 3 months, but if you can swing it, go to the store less. Half as many trips, means you have half as many chances to catch Corona.
While you're out in public, take all the standard precautions, and be actively on the lookout for and then avoid sick folk.
Get tested if you think you're getting sick- ideally get a diagnosis from an e-doctor.
I don't think we're going to know when it's at its peak spread until it has come and gone.
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queen_annes_revenge wrote: I guarantee that you could walk around in an S10 all day and you'll still get the virus, aswell as looking like an absolute tube.
You are saying the S10 doesnt work? I am not a fool, even if I will look a fool. If I do this I will still wash hands, avoid direct contact etc.
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Gitzbitah wrote: Well, that's the thing- and I could be wrong here. If I am by all means correct me, I am no epidemiologist or medical personnel. From what I've read, the virus has a 2 week incubation period, and gears up slowly, with symptoms virtually identical to allergies or the flu in its early stages.
I am not a doctor either, but the basic medical knowledge has been simplified so the common man can understand it, and the above is beleived to be true.
You pass coughing people all the time. By the time you slap on that S10, you've probably already been exposed. This thing's going to get everywhere.
Yes and do. Cases and deaths are about doubling every day, and an estimated 10x number of known cases is the real total of infected, though that is a guess. Fro the next few days it should be moderately safe to go shopping, but each new day has a higher risk than the day before. Yes I might have already been exposed, but until I know this is true, I must act as if I have not and duck dodge and dive.
Probably the wisest thing to do is to restrict your own exposure as much as possible- don't stockpile for 3 months, but if you can swing it, go to the store less. Half as many trips, means you have half as many chances to catch Corona.
You have it half right. Let is assume I have a 1% risk going out, and next week its 2% etc (random innaccurate figures used for example). If I buy additional stores now at 1% risk and don't have to go out for more shopping for three months, I avoid rolling bad outcome dice.
Second social avoidance is easier said that done. 'A wild Cougher suddenly appears', not a big reality now, but later likely so. There more people get infected the more douches get infected who don't care about anyone else.
Most of all you cant avoid all crowds. If you have to queue for food, not an unlikely scenario under lockdown, you will run additional risk of exposure. Next week I have an unavoidable train journey, and I cannot find any way to put that off, believe me I have tried. Yes I want a mask for that journey, because trains are crowded, the keep 3 metres away is an impossible dream. I want a mask by the time I make this trip. I should not need to make another for the expected four months of preferred isolation.
Mark Colville shut down MCDM play videos, I like what he said the way he said it and agree completely. "When dealing with exponential growth the right time to act is when it seems too early".
I don't think we're going to know when it's at its peak spread until it has come and gone.
We will get ideas.
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Future War Cultist wrote: An Iceland in my area is opening early in the morning for the elderly only. Happy days.
Very nice idea.
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If you're going to wear a facemask, it has to have a visor otherwise it's pointless. I bought a couple of these, they are similar to what I used to have to wear when working with fiberglass...except, you know..not as good and not air supplied. They're pretty good to breathe in, which is great because believe me wearing a full face mask for even a couple of hours gets nasty. The quality isn't spectacular, I'd rate it as good. More than good enough for the purposes of preventing virus infection.
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