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 BorderCountess wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
To give Ultramarines a unique unit of their own to bring them more on par with the other first founding chapters who have multiple unique units and models plus all the basic sm stuff?

You mean, you think that the personification of the Codex Astartes should get snowflake units? Should the other five Codex-compliant chapters start getting all sorts of unique kits?

Yes. Same for the legions. Nemesis Claw was a good start, I want more.

Not sure those minimal changes justified a new model as it looks from a glance like just a Malibu Marneus with new hat situation even more than normally for GW. The victrix look pretty nice though.

 BorderCountess wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
To give Ultramarines a unique unit of their own to bring them more on par with the other first founding chapters who have multiple unique units and models plus all the basic sm stuff?

You mean, you think that the personification of the Codex Astartes should get snowflake units? Should the other five Codex-compliant chapters start getting all sorts of unique kits?

I never thought about this before and went back to some older Space Marine codecies...

When they lay out the "Codex Compliant Force Org. Chart," I don't see "Honor Guard for Chapter Master."

Does this mean that the Ultramarines aren't Codex Astartes compliant after all?

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Does this mean that the Ultramarines aren't Codex Astartes compliant after all?

Hypocrisy? In the Imperium?! Surely, you jest!

Honestly, it's just more Poster-Boy Syndrome.

Roboute has been revising the codex, chapters are allowed to go over 10 companies now. The ultramarines have essentially 11 and a half now, with an extra scout and honour guard company.

In 4th, they were introduced as a UM unit. The members were not part of a specific squad, but were brothers from different companies who had earned the high honors of serving. So it did not mater what companies were on Mcragge, there would be suitable marines present to fill the role.

In 5th, they went more generic, and in the marine org chart, they are included in chapter command.

How things are organized has changed over the years, especially as GW releases more models.

Edit:
The 1,000 marines has always be line strength, not total strength. If you add up all the command squads, specialists, etc, you end up with closer to 1,500+ marines.

Heck the ultramarines currently have 12 captains, 11 of full companies and Sicarius of the honour guard.

 kabaakaba wrote:
Is there any rumors about IG vehicles remodeling? I know we have "new" dorn and new sentinel, but we have all other like russ and chimera derivatives which looks a bit old may be

The current Russ and Chimera are fairly recent. The original plastic kits were much more difficult to build, although I liked the extra vehicle accessory sprue that came with them.

I don't think GW is in a hurry to redesign the current sprues.

 JB wrote:
The current Russ and Chimera are fairly recent.

The current Imperial Guard Leman Russ/Chimera are from 5th edition are they not? They came along side the plastic Valkyrie. So that would make them what... Around 2008/9ish off the top of my head? I wouldn't exactly call that recent.

It also makes me feel really quite old.

 Snrub wrote:

 JB wrote:
The current Russ and Chimera are fairly recent.

The current Imperial Guard Leman Russ/Chimera are from 5th edition are they not? They came along side the plastic Valkyrie. So that would make them what... Around 2008/9ish off the top of my head? I wouldn't exactly call that recent.

It also makes me feel really quite old.

Well they're not SPACE MARINE recent - Calgar is replaced after 7 years. But for Xenos recent they're practically babies...

 Snrub wrote:

 JB wrote:
The current Russ and Chimera are fairly recent.

The current Imperial Guard Leman Russ/Chimera are from 5th edition are they not? They came along side the plastic Valkyrie. So that would make them what... Around 2008/9ish off the top of my head? I wouldn't exactly call that recent.

It also makes me feel really quite old.

2007 for the Russ tank and likely for the Chimera as well so you are correct. They are not recent updates. This isn't the right thread to discuss which faction has older vehicle models, but they are among the oldest now. Nonetheless, I don't think GW has any reason to change them.

 RaptorusRex wrote:
8th was seven years ago

I'm just going to have to go and lie down for a while.

Maybe forever.




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 Snrub wrote:

 JB wrote:
The current Russ and Chimera are fairly recent.

The current Imperial Guard Leman Russ/Chimera are from 5th edition are they not? They came along side the plastic Valkyrie. So that would make them what... Around 2008/9ish off the top of my head? I wouldn't exactly call that recent.

It also makes me feel really quite old.

Lie down for a very, very long time.


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 Nevelon wrote:

Edit:
The 1,000 marines has always be line strength, not total strength. If you add up all the command squads, specialists, etc, you end up with closer to 1,500+ marines.

To say nothing of Rhino drivers.

I still say Rhino drivers (+Land Raider, Predator etc) are actually servitors, perhaps crippled marines turned into servitors, but that's just me.

I think the issue with age is also whether the model is any good or not. Not really convinced a high definition version of the Leman Russ would meaningfully do anything.

The Falcon is ancient. But maybe it's bias, I still think it's a great model.

Arguably this is the issue for plastic DE. Sure the sculpts are from 15~ years ago, but most of them hold up well. I can't see "New Kabalites" being a dramatic improvement. Same for Wyches.

Which is why I wouldn't want replacements, I'd want new stuff.

 Astmeister wrote:
Are they silently letting Primaris die with this release?

That was my thought with these releases; Calgar is a lot less Primaris-y than the previous version and it does feel like they are slow walking back to the older style of marines.

30k did just get a new Leman Russ tank, minus the side sponsons because of reasons.

Does 30k have Chimeras in general?

 Jadenim wrote:

 Astmeister wrote:
Are they silently letting Primaris die with this release?

That was my thought with these releases; Calgar is a lot less Primaris-y than the previous version and it does feel like they are slow walking back to the older style of marines.

He looks less Primaris because he's in Terminator armor.

Also, did anyone else catch this at the end?

WarCom wrote:As for what this means for the Space Marines of the Ultramarines Chapter, we’ll have more news later in the year. Stay tuned to Warhammer Community for all the latest news.

Feels like they're setting us up for Codex Supplement: Ultramarines.

Tyel wrote:
I think the issue with age is also whether the model is any good or not. Not really convinced a high definition version of the Leman Russ would meaningfully do anything.

The Falcon is ancient. But maybe it's bias, I still think it's a great model.

Arguably this is the issue for plastic DE. Sure the sculpts are from 15~ years ago, but most of them hold up well. I can't see "New Kabalites" being a dramatic improvement. Same for Wyches.

Which is why I wouldn't want replacements, I'd want new stuff.

Falcon, aesthetics wise, does still hold up. But, as a kit it’s showing its age. Very bare Sprues, could potentially do with some crisper detailing etc.

Not a fan of the new UM. Nice bitz for UM players, thats about it. I'm kind of giving up hope on 40K marines, 30K marines seem way cooler nowadays, 40K gets more derp with each passing year.. or its just the paintjobs, I dont know..

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Tyel wrote:
I think the issue with age is also whether the model is any good or not. Not really convinced a high definition version of the Leman Russ would meaningfully do anything.

The Falcon is ancient. But maybe it's bias, I still think it's a great model.

Arguably this is the issue for plastic DE. Sure the sculpts are from 15~ years ago, but most of them hold up well. I can't see "New Kabalites" being a dramatic improvement. Same for Wyches.

Which is why I wouldn't want replacements, I'd want new stuff.

Falcon, aesthetics wise, does still hold up. But, as a kit it’s showing its age. Very bare Sprues, could potentially do with some crisper detailing etc.

The “soft” details is a little bit more forgivable on the curves of the falcon, but the sprues are so sparse compared to the new ones. Just updating to how tight they pack modern kits onto the frames, they could probably fit all the Eldar tanks (falcon/WS/FP/NS) into the same number of sprues used for just the falcon. OK, I may be slightly exaggerating, but not a whole lot. Old sprues are just that roomy compared to now.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Does 30k have Chimeras in general?

Nope. The Legion Basilisk and Medusa had a Chimera chassis though.

 Nevelon wrote:


The “soft” details is a little bit more forgivable on the curves of the falcon, but the sprues are so sparse compared to the new ones. Just updating to how tight they pack modern kits onto the frames, they could probably fit all the Eldar tanks (falcon/WS/FP/NS) into the same number of sprues used for just the falcon. OK, I may be slightly exaggerating, but not a whole lot. Old sprues are just that roomy compared to now.

I don't know that making a more densely packed sprue is really the goal here. The Falcon/Serpent kit is old, from the pre-digital era. It does not fit well, and has clear imperfections in the surface texture and details. It should just be redone to bring it up to modern standards of quality.

Heh, if they're gonna redo Wave Serpents, I'd love to see them do an actual Wave Serpent

 Arschbombe wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:


The “soft” details is a little bit more forgivable on the curves of the falcon, but the sprues are so sparse compared to the new ones. Just updating to how tight they pack modern kits onto the frames, they could probably fit all the Eldar tanks (falcon/WS/FP/NS) into the same number of sprues used for just the falcon. OK, I may be slightly exaggerating, but not a whole lot. Old sprues are just that roomy compared to now.

I don't know that making a more densely packed sprue is really the goal here. The Falcon/Serpent kit is old, from the pre-digital era. It does not fit well, and has clear imperfections in the surface texture and details. It should just be redone to bring it up to modern standards of quality.

There are a number of reasons for it needing to be redone, and also many reasons to let the old kit slide.

While old, it still fits aesthetically with modern stuff. The only big thing is the pilot is still sporting a leather jacket.
Until recently there was SO many more models in the eldar range that needed an update far worse then it.
If they did the falcon, they would either need to design it to be compatible with all the variants, or do them all at once.

Sculpting time and release slots are not infinite. There are a lot of things that should be done, but aren’t.

Which makes the new Calgar a little irritating. Not needed, not wanted, but here we are…

Got to admit the new Wave Serpent always felt rather boring. It's basically "falcon with a tiny turret on top"

The Epic 40,000 era early version was a bit better, with an actual wave emitter between the bows.

I remember owning a Falcon kit back in the 3rd edition era - part of a snazzy army box - and it was quite simply amazing to behold. Very nice kit.

If they redo the Falcon I for one hope they bring it into line with the Scorpion II and the like, proportion-wise.

I’d also really like it if they just outright made plastic elder super-heavies but there you go.

MarkNorfolk wrote:
The Epic 40,000 era early version was a bit better, with an actual wave emitter between the bows.

The original FW Wave Serpent was a resin kit based around the plastic Falcon kit and included the bit between the prows.