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**MarkNorfolk**

Hmm. This must be some new definition of 'non-eldar' I wasn't previously aware of.

**Patriarch**

MarkNorfolk wrote:
Hmm. This must be some new definition of 'non-eldar' I wasn't previously aware of.

It's not Eldar, it's "Eloi". See, completely different and not at all the same!

**eldritchx**

Sherrypie wrote:

More musings on the Custom Legio rules and making melee great again.

So, the current plan for getting those Warlords into melee (next level tactical genius, yo) is:

- Splinter Legio (Astorum) to get extra speed, turn traitor.
- Motive Mastery to ensure most of your line, not just Seniores, will consistently push forwards and Charge everything.
- Warchest to buy Vulpa's +2 Str disruption fields.
- War Doctrine to maybe buy Mortis' March of the Dead for more speed or Fortidus' Red Skies for proper nuclear blasts when you die. Really this can be almost anything to finetune your list to suit the battle or fluff you like.
- As other stratagems, now that we are traitors War Lust and the Charge bonus ones are pretty nasty.

So even before we consider Maniple bonuses, our first turn movements can be easily over half the field. Say we deploy 6" from our table edge.
- Warlord moves 4" (MoD) + pushing for 6" (plus 2" from Astorum and another 2" from War Lust) + pushing Full Stride for another 10". This is a Warlord. It is now 30" from your table edge, very much ready to make 8" Charges next turn.
- Reaver takes the same thing with 6"+13"+13" and is now 10" from the ENEMY table edge.
- Warhound can burn itself for 8"+16"+16" and be 2" away from the ENEMY table edge. If the deployment allows 8", you can score Vital Cargo on your first turn.

This paintrain WILL crash against the opposition on turn 2 and some Charges will go off. Supplemented with some Cerastus to herd enemy fallbacks so you can still Charge or hit again in Combat phase there is some nice potential to bring RIP AND TEAR back to the fore. Also, as the obligatory anti-Acastus mention, we are now close enough they might scatter blasts on their own lines if they want to chuck those 20+ Blasts around. Profit!

Vox Blackout says 0 charges on the turn you want to, and no emergency repairs for the extra heat you might have built up.

**xttz**

Has there been any official word (maybe on FB) regarding when the Acastus terminal will be included in the free downloads?

**Yodhrin**

xttz wrote:
Has there been any official word (maybe on FB) regarding when the Acastus terminal will be included in the free downloads?

If and only if the physical terminals sell out quickly enough that GW judge waiting for a second print run would take long enough to be detrimental to model sales, probably.

**RazorEdge**

Much silence about Aeronautica Imperalis.

**xttz**

RazorEdge wrote:
Much silence about Aeronautica Imperalis.

The next two studio previews are August 3rd (likely to be focused on 40K itself) and the NOVA open at the end of August.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Well, we had relative radio silence on AT for a long old time.

First showed up at a Warhammerfest (I want to say 2016, may have been 2015). I know this, because I was there. And I broke the news on BoLS, who promptly did a 'get in here now' drivel post, and credited my pics and report to A.N.Other. Why yes, I do bear a grudge!

Then? Pretty much nowt. We knew it was coming, but we didn't start to see models until relatively close to release.

**Chopstick**

Even then I would expect they release the game at around November or December.

So yeah, looong wait.

**Sherrypie**

eldritchx wrote:
Sherrypie wrote:

More musings on the Custom Legio rules and making melee great again.

So, the current plan for getting those Warlords into melee (next level tactical genius, yo) is:

- Splinter Legio (Astorum) to get extra speed, turn traitor.
- Motive Mastery to ensure most of your line, not just Seniores, will consistently push forwards and Charge everything.
- Warchest to buy Vulpa's +2 Str disruption fields.
- War Doctrine to maybe buy Mortis' March of the Dead for more speed or Fortidus' Red Skies for proper nuclear blasts when you die. Really this can be almost anything to finetune your list to suit the battle or fluff you like.
- As other stratagems, now that we are traitors War Lust and the Charge bonus ones are pretty nasty.

So even before we consider Maniple bonuses, our first turn movements can be easily over half the field. Say we deploy 6" from our table edge.
- Warlord moves 4" (MoD) + pushing for 6" (plus 2" from Astorum and another 2" from War Lust) + pushing Full Stride for another 10". This is a Warlord. It is now 30" from your table edge, very much ready to make 8" Charges next turn.
- Reaver takes the same thing with 6"+13"+13" and is now 10" from the ENEMY table edge.
- Warhound can burn itself for 8"+16"+16" and be 2" away from the ENEMY table edge. If the deployment allows 8", you can score Vital Cargo on your first turn.

This paintrain WILL crash against the opposition on turn 2 and some Charges will go off. Supplemented with some Cerastus to herd enemy fallbacks so you can still Charge or hit again in Combat phase there is some nice potential to bring RIP AND TEAR back to the fore. Also, as the obligatory anti-Acastus mention, we are now close enough they might scatter blasts on their own lines if they want to chuck those 20+ Blasts around. Profit!

Vox Blackout says 0 charges on the turn you want to, and no emergency repairs for the extra heat you might have built up.

Yup, Vox Blackout is a nasty speedbump for full-on melee lists, but even without Charges you might still be able to pull off some regular attacks as you are deep in their lines already. It's also not going to be a regular thing that folks always take, just like Sabotage isn't always there despite some claiming so.

Extra heat isn't a problem as such, Reavers and Warlords can handle three pips without a sweat and the Astorum run considers Machine-Spirit Awakens to be worse than two heat so chances for four heat aren't that high. This style of Legio is also pretty obviously okay with suicide runs, so racking up some heat in preparation for turn 2/3 core meltdown to take 'em with you can be viewed as a desirable thing from time to time. Who needs shields anyway, when you're in their grill ;P

**eldritchx**

Sherrypie wrote:
eldritchx wrote:
Sherrypie wrote:

More musings on the Custom Legio rules and making melee great again.

So, the current plan for getting those Warlords into melee (next level tactical genius, yo) is:

- Splinter Legio (Astorum) to get extra speed, turn traitor.
- Motive Mastery to ensure most of your line, not just Seniores, will consistently push forwards and Charge everything.
- Warchest to buy Vulpa's +2 Str disruption fields.
- War Doctrine to maybe buy Mortis' March of the Dead for more speed or Fortidus' Red Skies for proper nuclear blasts when you die. Really this can be almost anything to finetune your list to suit the battle or fluff you like.
- As other stratagems, now that we are traitors War Lust and the Charge bonus ones are pretty nasty.

So even before we consider Maniple bonuses, our first turn movements can be easily over half the field. Say we deploy 6" from our table edge.
- Warlord moves 4" (MoD) + pushing for 6" (plus 2" from Astorum and another 2" from War Lust) + pushing Full Stride for another 10". This is a Warlord. It is now 30" from your table edge, very much ready to make 8" Charges next turn.
- Reaver takes the same thing with 6"+13"+13" and is now 10" from the ENEMY table edge.
- Warhound can burn itself for 8"+16"+16" and be 2" away from the ENEMY table edge. If the deployment allows 8", you can score Vital Cargo on your first turn.

This paintrain WILL crash against the opposition on turn 2 and some Charges will go off. Supplemented with some Cerastus to herd enemy fallbacks so you can still Charge or hit again in Combat phase there is some nice potential to bring RIP AND TEAR back to the fore. Also, as the obligatory anti-Acastus mention, we are now close enough they might scatter blasts on their own lines if they want to chuck those 20+ Blasts around. Profit!

Vox Blackout says 0 charges on the turn you want to, and no emergency repairs for the extra heat you might have built up.

Yup, Vox Blackout is a nasty speedbump for full-on melee lists, but even without Charges you might still be able to pull off some regular attacks as you are deep in their lines already. It's also not going to be a regular thing that folks always take, just like Sabotage isn't always there despite some claiming so.

Extra heat isn't a problem as such, Reavers and Warlords can handle three pips without a sweat and the Astorum run considers Machine-Spirit Awakens to be worse than two heat so chances for four heat aren't that high. This style of Legio is also pretty obviously okay with suicide runs, so racking up some heat in preparation for turn 2/3 core meltdown to take 'em with you can be viewed as a desirable thing from time to time. Who needs shields anyway, when you're in their grill ;P

Heh, I will personally never build a list without Vox Blackout with the current state of the game, but some might, I guess. The heat won't come only from pushing for movement, but also any Voids to Full in turn one. You'd also need to weather a full turn of firing with no worry of having to manage heat for defense from the opponent, again without any possibility of Emergency Repairs on turn 2. If he manages to eliminate an activation or two of yours, it could very well mean no melee range attacks at all on turn two and another full round of firing from the opponent.

I personally think Molech was a heavy nerf to melee builds, simply because it added VB.

**schoon**

Listened to the AT Twitch feed today, and though there was no news concerning future product (excepting that they might expand the "Create Your Own Legio" rules in White Dwarf this month), it was an interesting look into Legio creation.

From colors to background to Traits, Wargear, etc.

**SamusDrake**

It would be great to have more options for custom legios, and look forward to it.

**angelofvengeance**

Colour schemes and Legio's are definitely something that needs expanding on IMO.

**Nurglitch**

Speaking of, are they going to have Armigers in AT?

**SamusDrake**

Nurglitch wrote:
Speaking of, are they going to have Armigers in AT?

They were mentioned at some point, but if memory serves its just a possibility at the moment. For the time being I'd say a new Titan is next on the release schedule....

**Albertorius**

Nurglitch wrote:
Speaking of, are they going to have Armigers in AT?

Well, I surely hope so!

**SamusDrake**

Those Armigers are awesome to behold. Could probably do them as a pack of six, three helverins and three warglaives, and would bulk out a Household force nicely.

Personally, I'd love some just to use as P2 mechs in Horizon Wars.

**Nurglitch**

Albertorius wrote:
Nurglitch wrote:
Speaking of, are they going to have Armigers in AT?

Well, I surely hope so!

Those seem a bit big, but where did you get them?

**Albertorius**

Nurglitch wrote:
Those seem a bit big, but where did you get them?

Printed them off myself

. Perspective is a bit wonky there so they look a bit bigger (and actually, the size of the 28mm ones surprised me, they are much bigger than I first thought):

Size wise, I went from images, as I have no 28 knights of any size:

**Eumerin**

SamusDrake wrote:
Nurglitch wrote:
Speaking of, are they going to have Armigers in AT?

They were mentioned at some point, but if memory serves its just a possibility at the moment. For the time being I'd say a new Titan is next on the release schedule....

I hope a titan is up next. This is, after all, supposed to be a game about Titans. And with the recent releases, one could be forgiven for thinking that the focus was on knights...

**SamusDrake**

Eumerin wrote:
SamusDrake wrote:
Nurglitch wrote:
Speaking of, are they going to have Armigers in AT?

They were mentioned at some point, but if memory serves its just a possibility at the moment. For the time being I'd say a new Titan is next on the release schedule....

I hope a titan is up next. This is, after all, supposed to be a game about Titans. And with the recent releases, one could be forgiven for thinking that the focus was on knights...

To be fair, all the Knights have had so far is an under supported expansion and a late Knight addition. The Dominus maniple was disappointing and DOM was released with GW expecting players to build a household from only two Knight types, with no upgrade options nor a discounted box set. And now we have a Knight with a severe points inbalance. In all honesty, its been a bit of a balls-up on the Knight front

Also, the titans were not forgotten - they recieved new maniples and legios in DOM and they did release the Warlord resin weapons at the time when DOM needed a Knight release. Oh, and they have just released the character-titan terminals as well...which makes me wonder if the next expansion will focus on character building.

Still, looking ahead we do have the Reaver carapace weapons to look forward to, and they have said that they have "inbetween" titans in the works - one of which has been named as the "Rapier".

**Chopstick**

Nurglitch wrote:
Speaking of, are they going to have Armigers in AT?

Probably eventually, but not now, right now it's only FW knight. So you're looking at Cerastus, Mechanicum Questoris, Atropos, Knight Asterius. And then we'll see Dominus and Armiger. Giving that it's 3-4 months for each release. Knights and the like are important part in AT release, as they're small kit, took less time to produce, so they're used as filler content in AT while the team busy making Titan kits.

**Nurglitch**

@Albertotius: It's amazing the difference a camera angle makes, no?

**Jack Flask**

Chopstick wrote:
Nurglitch wrote:
Speaking of, are they going to have Armigers in AT?

Probably eventually, but not now, right now it's only FW knight. So you're looking at Cerastus, Mechanicum Questoris, Atropos, Knight Asterius. And then we'll see Dominus and Armiger. Giving that it's 3-4 months for each release. Knights and the like are important part in AT release, as they're small kit, took less time to produce, so they're used as filler content in AT while the team busy making Titan kits.

Wait, according to who?

That's pretty awesome if true, but I thought someone asked about FW Knights at the last panel and got the answer "They'll be released eventually but we don't know when and haven't even decided if they'll be resin or plastic yet."

Also, now that the Moirax is revealed/released there is a potential Mecanicum Armiger option for AT as well.

**Chopstick**

Jack Flask wrote:
Chopstick wrote:
Nurglitch wrote:
Speaking of, are they going to have Armigers in AT?

Probably eventually, but not now, right now it's only FW knight. So you're looking at Cerastus, Mechanicum Questoris, Atropos, Knight Asterius. And then we'll see Dominus and Armiger. Giving that it's 3-4 months for each release. Knights and the like are important part in AT release, as they're small kit, took less time to produce, so they're used as filler content in AT while the team busy making Titan kits.

Wait, according to who?

That's pretty awesome if true, but I thought someone asked about FW Knights at the last panel and got the answer "They'll be released eventually but we don't know when and haven't even decided if they'll be resin or plastic yet."

Also, now that the Moirax is revealed/released there is a potential Mecanicum Armiger option for AT as well.

From people who claimed to interview the team, Cerastus (acheron, castigator) already done, in plastic. Mechanicum questoris is WiP, no words about the other, but my speculation is FW team will do FW knight before GW knights. I'd love to be proven wrong as Dominus and Armiger are my favorite.

**Albertorius**

Nurglitch wrote:
@Albertorius: It's amazing the difference a camera angle makes, no?

Totally ^^. At that size I think it is even more pronounced.

**schoon**

One interesting snippet from one of the designer interviews was that part of the plastic/resin decision was what expected production would do to FW's capacity.

AT releases have thus far been popular enough to both warrant the mould cost and the disruption of FW's production capacity.

My opinion only - but I suspect new Titan classes have been delayed by the choice to go plastic instead of having FW spin the resin.

**xttz**

schoon wrote:
One interesting snippet from one of the designer interviews was that part of the plastic/resin decision was what expected production would do to FW's capacity.

AT releases have thus far been popular enough to both warrant the mould cost and the disruption of FW's production capacity.

My opinion only - but I suspect new Titan classes have been delayed by the choice to go plastic instead of having FW spin the resin.

You're not wrong. Due to the long development time required for plastic products, any such release we've seen so far would have been underway before GW knew how well AT would sell on release at the end of last summer. They may have been able to tweak the production numbers slightly, but the decision on how many molds would be milled would have been made prior to last August. That's likely why we haven't seen any major plastic releases beyond Knights and a terrain sprue - they were waiting to see how popular AT would be before committing to any major tooling on the level of the original Warlord / Reaver.

The fact that late last year they hired someone specifically to work on resin upgrades implies that they saw enough demand for Chris Drew to keep working full time on more complex kits. The soonest we could expect to see these would be from towards the end of this year.

**schoon**

In the designer interviews of a year ago, they seemed intent on releasing some new Titan classes, yet those have been conspicuously absent from the expansions thus far.

One possible reason for the delay would be the work up of the models in plastic as opposed to resin.