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Unlike many, I believe that comment at the end of that video was actually a joke that ended up getting way out of hand, for a couple of reasons that are not really important to this thread, since I'm going to ask a hypothetical rather than convince people of its veracity one way or the other. I am, of course, hopeful that he was telling the truth and plastic Sisters of Battle are on the way in another month or two, but... I mean, what if they're not? So many people are so hopeful and excited for them, and I can't help but wonder what the reaction will be if it turns out that it was just a joke that got taken way more seriously than they thought it would be. How livid and angry are the people who've been looking forward to this for years or even over a decade going to be should it turn out to not actually be happening? Or will it instead be more of a demoralizing depression that could shake people's faith that that update will ever come?

Admittedly, I haven't been paying attention to 40k tabletop news for the past month or so, so there may have been new developments that I'm unaware of. If so, please share.

 Pouncey wrote:
what if they're not?

As someone who plays Sisters I can't say I'd be all that bothered, to be honest. My Codex has been Crud-Warded, so playing the army in its current state is out of the question unless I want to get stomped repeatedly (I don't), which makes the issue of new models irrelevant. I'm not going to expand my army with new purchases until the deck is no longer stacked against me in almost every game I play, so unless they release a new Codex with the plastic kits, and said Codex is not Cruddace-grade dung, then the whole thing is a non-issue to me. This wouldn't be the first time the poor old Sisters have been the butt of a GW joke, and I doubt it'll be the last.

 BBAP wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
what if they're not?

As someone who plays Sisters I can't say I'd be all that bothered, to be honest. My Codex has been Crud-Warded, so playing the army in its current state is out of the question unless I want to get stomped repeatedly (I don't), which makes the issue of new models irrelevant. I'm not going to expand my army with new purchases until the deck is no longer stacked against me in almost every game I play, so unless they release a new Codex with the plastic kits, and said Codex is not Cruddace-grade dung, then the whole thing is a non-issue to me. This wouldn't be the first time the poor old Sisters have been the butt of a GW joke, and I doubt it'll be the last.

Good to know.

Also, did Matt Ward really write our latest Codex?

The latest one is essentially a reprint of the one he and Cruddace collaborated on back in 5th, so yes, he did. Ward **and** Cruddace. I bet they let C.S. Goto have a go at writing some of it too.

 Pouncey wrote:

Also, did Matt Ward really write our latest Codex?

Unknown, Ward left the company around the same time the most recent digital codex came out, by then GW stopped crediting its codex authors, both have been suggested to be due to actual threats made against him.

And, for the record, despite lacking baked-in flyer defense, and generally having to tap dance around the limitations of the model range, the existing 7th edition codex is leaps ahead of the 5th edition one, and is nowhere near bottom tier.

It is definitely bottom-tier. It's so full of holes emmentaler feels envious.

Who knows, really. All I'd say is that the potential would be a bit wasted for the sake of a quickfire joke.

 Captain Joystick wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

Also, did Matt Ward really write our latest Codex?

Unknown, Ward left the company around the same time the most recent digital codex came out, by then GW stopped crediting its codex authors, both have been suggested to be due to actual threats made against him.

And, for the record, despite lacking baked-in flyer defense, and generally having to tap dance around the limitations of the model range, the existing 7th edition codex is leaps ahead of the 5th edition one, and is nowhere near bottom tier.

I'm glad Ward is no longer writing for GW, but... threats? Seriously? People were so angry at his books that they legitimately threatened to kill him over it?

That's a level of malice I didn't think gamers were capable of, and I saw what happened with Eternal Crusade along with being a long-term member of one of the worst communities in online gaming (WoW).

And then I remembered that Bus Shock was a thing. I withdraw my incredulity regarding the concept of threatening a game developer with death.

 Captain Joystick wrote:
Unknown, Ward left the company around the same time the most recent digital codex came out

Right - but it's a reprint of the Codex he co-authored in 5th Edition. Aside from minor additions literally nothing has changed; not wargear costs, not abrogated unit rules (remember when Immolators could move 12" and still fire their turret flamers? When there were 2 grades of Canoness?). He therefore wrote the rules we're currently using.

, by then GW stopped crediting its codex authors, both have been suggested to be due to actual threats made against him.

Which was stupid. You can't be threatening people or calling them names for writing cack-handed rules for your toy soldiers. Pointing out that someone has consistently done that and should therefore stop writing rules for toy soldiers does not constitute a "threat".

And, for the record, despite lacking baked-in flyer defense, and generally having to tap dance around the limitations of the model range, the existing 7th edition codex is leaps ahead of the 5th edition one, and is nowhere near bottom tier.

You're right. Sisters can beat 120 footslogging Storm Guardians, so we should all just stop complaining and get over ourselves!

I don't know, if I don't see any SoB in two, three ... six months, will I be upset or something ? I'm waiting for the sisters, yes, but I don't have a target date.
I want them to be released, but I can't miss what is almost non existant.

 BBAP wrote:

, by then GW stopped crediting its codex authors, both have been suggested to be due to actual threats made against him.

Which was stupid. You can't be threatening people or calling them names for writing cack-handed rules for your toy soldiers. Pointing out that someone has consistently done that and should therefore stop writing rules for toy soldiers does not constitute a "threat".

My understanding is that he single-handedly destroyed the WHFB tabletop game by writing its main rulebook.

When you've invested thousands of dollars and years of your life in your toy soldiers, you can get a bit emotional when the game creator makes a new edition that is so terrible it made most people quit the game entirely.

Death threats are clearly out of line though. More realistic and appropriate threats are telling him you hope he steps on a piece of Lego. It causes intense pain, but no real harm of any sort.

As for the original question, if nothing happens, I'll be ever-so-slightly amused that I can say "I told you so" to people who got their hopes up. Then join in their misery that I got to say "I told you so".

 Melissia wrote:
As for the original question, if nothing happens, I'll be ever-so-slightly amused that I can say "I told you so" to people who got their hopes up. Then join in their misery that I got to say "I told you so".

I hope you're proven wrong, just like I want to be with my levels of scepticism, and anyone else who feels the same

However, with GW's record, you'll most likely have your wish granted

I'd just do what the chaos players do and piss and moan until someone gives me a primarch.

ERJAK wrote:
I'd just do what the chaos players do and piss and moan until someone gives me a primarch.

I'd love to see a version of the Living Saint more akin to Dawn of War 1's version than the wussy tabletop version that gets instagibbed by a Renegade Guardsman's grenade launcher.

Me personally i'm not playing 40k (my sisters) as much lately so i'm a bit divided about it, sure it would be nice for new stuff but in saying that i've already got nearly everything i want out of the current army and i couldn't see GW adding too much to the army (maybe a non navy flyer, grav weapons maybe).

 Pouncey wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
I'd just do what the chaos players do and piss and moan until someone gives me a primarch.

I'd love to see a version of the Living Saint more akin to Dawn of War 1's version than the wussy tabletop version that gets instagibbed by a Renegade Guardsman's grenade launcher.

I've always thought it would be fun if all her stats except LD were 7.

WS7 BS7 S7 T7 W7 A7 I7 LD10 2+4++. Keep her the same points and call it good.

ERJAK wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
I'd just do what the chaos players do and piss and moan until someone gives me a primarch.

I'd love to see a version of the Living Saint more akin to Dawn of War 1's version than the wussy tabletop version that gets instagibbed by a Renegade Guardsman's grenade launcher.

I've always thought it would be fun if all her stats except LD were 7.

WS7 BS7 S7 T7 W7 A7 I7 LD10 2+4++. Keep her the same points and call it good.

I'm not overly familiar with the intricacies of the Ecclesiarchy's ideology.

Does the number 7 hold some sort of special significance?

 Pouncey wrote:


I'm not overly familiar with the intricacies of the Ecclesiarchy's ideology.

Does the number 7 hold some sort of special significance?

Well it is a lucky number to most

 General Annoyance wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:


I'm not overly familiar with the intricacies of the Ecclesiarchy's ideology.

Does the number 7 hold some sort of special significance?

Well it is a lucky number to most

I doubt that particular superstition survived tens of thousands of years into the future.

 Pouncey wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
I'd just do what the chaos players do and piss and moan until someone gives me a primarch.

I'd love to see a version of the Living Saint more akin to Dawn of War 1's version than the wussy tabletop version that gets instagibbed by a Renegade Guardsman's grenade launcher.

I've always thought it would be fun if all her stats except LD were 7.

WS7 BS7 S7 T7 W7 A7 I7 LD10 2+4++. Keep her the same points and call it good.

I'm not overly familiar with the intricacies of the Ecclesiarchy's ideology.

Does the number 7 hold some sort of special significance?

It's mostly that she has 3 stats that are 7 already and the symmety appeals to me.

 Pouncey wrote:
I doubt that particular superstition survived tens of thousands of years into the future.

I'm sure we can forge a narrative for it, unless 7 is the number of Chaos

Actually that'd be 8...

7 is Nurgle, isn't it? Slaanesh is 6, Khorne is 8, Tzeentch is 9. She'd have to be 10/10/10/10/10/10/10/10 to avoid heresy.

 Pouncey wrote:
Does the number 7 hold some sort of special significance?

 General Annoyance wrote:
I'm sure we can forge a narrative for it, unless 7 is the number of Chaos

Actually that'd be 8...

Both 7 and 8 are Sacred Numbers of Chaos. 6 and 9, too:
6 = Slaanesh
7 = Nurgle
8 = Khorne
9 = Tzeentch
You used to get bonuses if your unit numbered a multiple of the Sacred Number (e.g. 8 Bloodletters, 6 Daemonettes).

If you go further, then 11 & 13 are also Sacred Numbers:
11 = Malal
13 = Horned Rat

BBAP wrote:7 is Nurgle, isn't it? Slaanesh is 6, Khorne is 8, Tzeentch is 9. She'd have to be 10/10/10/10/10/10/10/10 to avoid heresy.

Exalted

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Both 7 and 8 are Sacred Numbers of Chaos. 6 and 9, too:
6 = Slaanesh
7 = Nurgle
8 = Khorne
9 = Tzeentch
You used to get bonuses if your unit numbered a multiple of the Sacred Number (e.g. 8 Bloodletters, 6 Daemonettes).

If you go further, then 11 & 13 are also Sacred Numbers:
11 = Malal
13 = Horned Rat

I only knew about 8 being associated with Khorne - good to know!

ERJAK wrote:
It's mostly that she has 3 stats that are 7 already and the symmety appeals to me.

I've heard worse reasons for game balance decisions.

Also, can we give her Eternal Warrior?

 BBAP wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
what if they're not?

As someone who plays Sisters I can't say I'd be all that bothered, to be honest. My Codex has been Crud-Warded, so playing the army in its current state is out of the question unless I want to get stomped repeatedly (I don't), which makes the issue of new models irrelevant. I'm not going to expand my army with new purchases until the deck is no longer stacked against me in almost every game I play, so unless they release a new Codex with the plastic kits, and said Codex is not Cruddace-grade dung, then the whole thing is a non-issue to me. This wouldn't be the first time the poor old Sisters have been the butt of a GW joke, and I doubt it'll be the last.

If this guys is getting stomped repeatedly with sisters, I wouldn't listen to much of what he's saying here. Not to mention there would be pretty well 0 chance of plastic models without a book to come along with them.

afk1sec wrote:
If this guys is getting stomped repeatedly with sisters, I wouldn't listen to much of what he's saying here.

Getting stomped with Sisters is not a difficult feat. Without allies they're just a bunch of bolters and meltaguns in (comparatively expensive) boxes.

Not to mention there would be pretty well 0 chance of plastic models without a book to come along with them.

The chances of it being a good Codex are similar without some sort of reboot.

 Pouncey wrote:

That's a level of malice I didn't think gamers were capable of,

It amazes me that people still get shocked over internet threats to the point where even the media buys into it wholesale. I've been getting death/rape threats for 15+ years online, anyone who's ever been any good at competitive online games can probably say the same. It's never bothered me, it's anonymous internet bs. I used to collect them and make them into collages for gaks and giggles.

There's no reason to think gamers are a community that is universally free of bad people. Seeing the reaction of the `tolerant` `progressive` community in the aftermath of their candidates loss, especially after they cockily proclaimed Trump would incite riots just 24 hours earlier, should be enough proof that any community houses idiots.

afk1sec wrote:

 BBAP wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
what if they're not?

As someone who plays Sisters I can't say I'd be all that bothered, to be honest. My Codex has been Crud-Warded, so playing the army in its current state is out of the question unless I want to get stomped repeatedly (I don't), which makes the issue of new models irrelevant. I'm not going to expand my army with new purchases until the deck is no longer stacked against me in almost every game I play, so unless they release a new Codex with the plastic kits, and said Codex is not Cruddace-grade dung, then the whole thing is a non-issue to me. This wouldn't be the first time the poor old Sisters have been the butt of a GW joke, and I doubt it'll be the last.

If this guys is getting stomped repeatedly with sisters, I wouldn't listen to much of what he's saying here. Not to mention there would be pretty well 0 chance of plastic models without a book to come along with them.

I'll admit I haven't really been interested in any new 40k releases for the past few years, but... Don't model revamps still come packaged with a brand-new Codex?


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 MarsNZ wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

That's a level of malice I didn't think gamers were capable of,

It amazes me that people still get shocked over internet threats to the point where even the media buys into it wholesale. I've been getting death/rape threats for 15+ years online, anyone who's ever been any good at competitive online games can probably say the same. It's never bothered me, it's anonymous internet bs. I used to collect them and make them into collages for gaks and giggles.

A couple of years ago a Dakkite threatened to kill me because I posted clean artwork of my RP character and my partner's RP character both wearing 40k power armor in a thread about Dakkites' favorite 40k artwork.

First time I'd ever gotten a death threat online. Admittedly I don't game competitively so the crowds I run into in online games are more relaxed.

There's no reason to think gamers are a community that is universally free of bad people. Seeing the reaction of the `tolerant` `progressive` community in the aftermath of their candidates loss, especially after they cockily proclaimed Trump would incite riots just 24 hours earlier, should be enough proof that any community houses idiots.

I agree that every community has both its bad apples along with its paragons, but could you refrain from the political comments? If I wanted to discuss the US election I'd be down in the Politics forum, not the 40k forum.