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 Pouncey wrote:
I'll admit I haven't really been interested in any new 40k releases for the past few years, but... Don't model revamps still come packaged with a brand-new Codex?

Not always - some Space Marine revamps (Assault and Devastator Marines) came quite some time after the release of their latest codex.

Most of the time though, model revamps do come straight before or after a codex release.

A couple of years ago a Dakkite threatened to kill me because I posted clean artwork of my RP character and my partner's RP character both wearing 40k power armor in a thread about Dakkites' favorite 40k artwork.

First time I'd ever gotten a death threat online. Admittedly I don't game competitively so the crowds I run into in online games are more relaxed.

I believe that I may have been there to witness that, if my memory serves me correctly. I did leave Dakka for about 3 years so my memory is a bit fuzzy on the details.

It's pretty regular, honestly - if people don't like something even remotely, they use it to justify threatening to rape or murder people online since they're protected by anonymity. This happened very recently when No Mans Sky developer Hello Games delayed the game for another 2 months; a reporter who was first on the scene to report the delay received an absolute tonne of death threats from "fans" saying that he was lying. Then when Hello Games made an official announcement saying the game was delayed, instead of apologising for their response, they shifted their attack to Sean Murray, the face of Hello Games, and he got death threats right up to the game's release.

This is how the internet rolls, unfortunately, especially in the videogaming community. It is one of the reasons why I reserve a special hatred for most "gamers" despite being one myself.

I agree that every community has both its bad apples along with its paragons, but could you refrain from the political comments? If I wanted to discuss the US election I'd be down in the Politics forum, not the 40k forum.

Don't worry Pouncey, I believe that was only a comparison to prove a point. Nobody wants to or is going to start a political scuffle here

 General Annoyance wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
I'll admit I haven't really been interested in any new 40k releases for the past few years, but... Don't model revamps still come packaged with a brand-new Codex?

Not always - some Space Marine revamps (Assault and Devastator Marines) came quite some time after the release of their latest codex.

Most of the time though, model revamps do come straight before or after a codex release.

Right, they started doing that thing where they release kits almost randomly instead of in waves with 4-5 things for the monthly featured army.

Speaking of their monthly releases, is there a way I can send GW an e-mail informing them that I am not interested in any of their non-Sisters of Battle products, and tell them to only send me an e-mail when they finally release plastic Sisters of Battle?

I've tried a couple of e-mails pledging my support to a plastic Sisters of Battle line, got the usual, "Have faith, Sister, GW has not forgotten the Sororitas" line that feels meaningless when I remember that I read that reply 3-4 years ago and nothing ever came of it. I wonder if forcing them to stop advertising to me unless it's about Sisters of Battle might get the message cross more clearly.

 Pouncey wrote:


Right, they started doing that thing where they release kits almost randomly instead of in waves with 4-5 things for the monthly featured army.

Speaking of their monthly releases, is there a way I can send GW an e-mail informing them that I am not interested in any of their non-Sisters of Battle products, and tell them to only send me an e-mail when they finally release plastic Sisters of Battle?

I've tried a couple of e-mails pledging my support to a plastic Sisters of Battle line, got the usual, "Have faith, Sister, GW has not forgotten the Sororitas" line that feels meaningless when I remember that I read that reply 3-4 years ago and nothing ever came of it. I wonder if forcing them to stop advertising to me unless it's about Sisters of Battle might get the message cross more clearly.

Well I mean you could try emailing customer service, but I think you know how much use that will be on the back of you sending emails to GW before that weren't about product returns.

I don't get email notifications from GW anyway - I just check into the site every Saturday morning to see what's new.

 General Annoyance wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:


Right, they started doing that thing where they release kits almost randomly instead of in waves with 4-5 things for the monthly featured army.

Speaking of their monthly releases, is there a way I can send GW an e-mail informing them that I am not interested in any of their non-Sisters of Battle products, and tell them to only send me an e-mail when they finally release plastic Sisters of Battle?

I've tried a couple of e-mails pledging my support to a plastic Sisters of Battle line, got the usual, "Have faith, Sister, GW has not forgotten the Sororitas" line that feels meaningless when I remember that I read that reply 3-4 years ago and nothing ever came of it. I wonder if forcing them to stop advertising to me unless it's about Sisters of Battle might get the message cross more clearly.

Well I mean you could try emailing customer service, but I think you know how much use that will be on the back of you sending emails to GW before that weren't about product returns.

I don't get email notifications from GW anyway - I just check into the site every Saturday morning to see what's new.

I ended up pushing the Unsubscribe link at the bottom of one of the e-mails, there was an Other option for feedback, so I selected that and typed a short paragraph.

Ir probably doesn't mean much to people since I can't prove anything..but my local hobby shop that sells GW products has already told me that "major changes to the product line and plastic sisters are coming in around january or february." Apparently the distributors told him early so he could try and shift out product before he gets a TON of new things in.
Right now he's got a lot of the basic things every army needs so from the sounds of things it's going to be a lot of armies being effected. But he claims 100% that he was told plastic sisters were coming in around then too. And this is a guy that has no investment in 40k at all. He's more interested in AoS and really has no reason to lie.

 mmzero252 wrote:
Ir probably doesn't mean much to people since I can't prove anything..but my local hobby shop that sells GW products has already told me that "major changes to the product line and plastic sisters are coming in around january or february." Apparently the distributors told him early so he could try and shift out product before he gets a TON of new things in.
Right now he's got a lot of the basic things every army needs so from the sounds of things it's going to be a lot of armies being effected. But he claims 100% that he was told plastic sisters were coming in around then too. And this is a guy that has no investment in 40k at all. He's more interested in AoS and really has no reason to lie.

Plastic Sisters incoming would mean that GW announced a major release two or three months in advance.

The GW I know issues C&D orders to take down photographs from White Dwarfs that were posted a few days before the models in it are sold.

I cannot fathom a reality where Games Workshop, the company that does its absolute best to keep all upcoming releases secret until they go up for sale, would announce this three months before it actually happens.

Also... to me, he really sounded like he was telling a joke. By which I mean his tone, his inflections, the way he was speaking those words, was exactly like he was telling a joke and expecting a laugh to come afterward.

Nothing has been announced yet; typically, we have found out from a leaked White Dwarf the month prior, with a hint in the WD before that.

If they continue with that convention, then no SoB's in January because there was no hint in November's WD. Now, if December has a hint, and we should see the December WD any day now, followed by the announcement in the January WD... then Sisters of Battle in February!

 Pouncey wrote:

 mmzero252 wrote:
Ir probably doesn't mean much to people since I can't prove anything..but my local hobby shop that sells GW products has already told me that "major changes to the product line and plastic sisters are coming in around january or february." Apparently the distributors told him early so he could try and shift out product before he gets a TON of new things in.
Right now he's got a lot of the basic things every army needs so from the sounds of things it's going to be a lot of armies being effected. But he claims 100% that he was told plastic sisters were coming in around then too. And this is a guy that has no investment in 40k at all. He's more interested in AoS and really has no reason to lie.

Plastic Sisters incoming would mean that GW announced a major release two or three months in advance.

The GW I know issues C&D orders to take down photographs from White Dwarfs that were posted a few days before the models in it are sold.

I cannot fathom a reality where Games Workshop, the company that does its absolute best to keep all upcoming releases secret until they go up for sale, would announce this three months before it actually happens.

Also... to me, he really sounded like he was telling a joke. By which I mean his tone, his inflections, the way he was speaking those words, was exactly like he was telling a joke and expecting a laugh to come afterward.

He in no way sounded like he was telling a joke. Nothing I said even made hint that he could have been..but if you want to say that to make yourself feel better or something then so be it. He actually sounded a bit stressed out from having to make so much room for new things coming to the 40k line-up in a few months.

 mmzero252 wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 mmzero252 wrote:
Ir probably doesn't mean much to people since I can't prove anything..but my local hobby shop that sells GW products has already told me that "major changes to the product line and plastic sisters are coming in around january or february." Apparently the distributors told him early so he could try and shift out product before he gets a TON of new things in.
Right now he's got a lot of the basic things every army needs so from the sounds of things it's going to be a lot of armies being effected. But he claims 100% that he was told plastic sisters were coming in around then too. And this is a guy that has no investment in 40k at all. He's more interested in AoS and really has no reason to lie.

Plastic Sisters incoming would mean that GW announced a major release two or three months in advance.

The GW I know issues C&D orders to take down photographs from White Dwarfs that were posted a few days before the models in it are sold.

I cannot fathom a reality where Games Workshop, the company that does its absolute best to keep all upcoming releases secret until they go up for sale, would announce this three months before it actually happens.

Also... to me, he really sounded like he was telling a joke. By which I mean his tone, his inflections, the way he was speaking those words, was exactly like he was telling a joke and expecting a laugh to come afterward.

He in no way sounded like he was telling a joke. Nothing I said even made hint that he could have been..but if you want to say that to make yourself feel better or something then so be it. He actually sounded a bit stressed out from having to make so much room for new things coming to the 40k line-up in a few months.

...No, I mean the video on Warhammer TV. The guy at the very end of the video whose comment started this whole thing. He's the one who sounded like he was joking.

How on Earth could I possibly have an inkling of the tones and inflections of your local GW manager? I don't think we even live in the same country, though I haven't checked the flags yet.

Nothing has been announced yet;

You mean apart from the guy on the official GW Facebook page in an official Warhammer TV video who said in no uncertain terms that plastic Sisters of Battle were coming out in 2-3 months?

...No, I mean the video on Warhammer TV. The guy at the very end of the video whose comment started this whole thing. He's the one who sounded like he was joking.

Ah, it was a bit hard to tell since you quoted me on the whole thing. I believe my local game shop simply because from a retail standpoint it makes sense to tell them early if there's major stuff coming up. But there's nothing preventing the shop owners themselves from telling others that come there what the distributors have told them.

It's less of a major anouncement by GW...and more a "Hey we just wanted to let you shop owners know you should get rid of a lot of product soon because we'll be replacing a ton of the line-up with new things."

 mmzero252 wrote:

...No, I mean the video on Warhammer TV. The guy at the very end of the video whose comment started this whole thing. He's the one who sounded like he was joking.

Ah, it was a bit hard to tell since you quoted me on the whole thing. I believe my local game shop simply because from a retail standpoint it makes sense to tell them early if there's major stuff coming up. But there's nothing preventing the shop owners themselves from telling others that come there what the distributors have told them.

It's less of a major anouncement by GW...and more a "Hey we just wanted to let you shop owners know you should get rid of a lot of product soon because we'll be replacing a ton of the line-up with new things."

I need to clarify something that will clear up some of the confusion.

My original response to you was less a counter-argument to the things you were saying, and more an enumeration of my reasons why I believe the statement at the very end of that Warhammer TV video was a joke. I quoted you not to reference the things you said, but instead to direct my comment to you since you were providing evidence for why it's real, and without quoting it it would seem as though I were just talking to no one in particular.

It's all good. My original post was a bit all over the place so it let me reword things a little and clarify the information I got too.

From the sounds of things though, they might be rereleasing a bunch of standard 40k kits with new options or perhaps condensing kits together to sell models better. I kinda hope this is the case.

 mmzero252 wrote:
It's all good. My original post was a bit all over the place so it let me reword things a little and clarify the information I got too.

From the sounds of things though, they might be rereleasing a bunch of standard 40k kits with new options or perhaps condensing kits together to sell models better. I kinda hope this is the case.

Don't get me wrong, I would be very, very happy to finally have plastic Sisters of Battle. The prospect of condensing the existing range of kits in a large-scale model revamp is also something that could be good, and I hope that the redesigned Astartes kits get rid of the massive amount of utterly pointless flavor details that make a standard Veteran look more blinged-out than a Chapter Master.

The way that teaser on Warhammer TV was done though... I am filled with doubt since it is not at all like Games Workshop to say something like that.

I don't blame you. The way they mentioned it in that video is either the world's most cruel joke..or the worst way to tease something people have been wanting for YEARS.

The BoLS rumour mill is pretty certain about it, I'd be startled at this point if they didn't.

(Also I'd be very annoyed. I've spent a lot of time getting my white-armoured fire-tank brigade and their new psychic-blank broadswordist allies ready for the update.)

 AnomanderRake wrote:
The BoLS rumour mill is pretty certain about it, I'd be startled at this point if they didn't.

(Also I'd be very annoyed. I've spent a lot of time getting my white-armoured fire-tank brigade and their new psychic-blank broadswordist allies ready for the update.)

I have had zero faith in the rumor mill starting from the day I held a copy of White Dwarf I received a few days early in my hand and was able to see for myself that the things the rumor mill was certain were coming that month were not, in fact, coming.

I have had much less faith in Dakka since I shared that information with you guys, including photos and every detail you wanted to know, and was eventually informed that, because what I was saying did not line up with what the rumor mill was saying, I was probably lying.

 Pouncey wrote:

 MarsNZ wrote:
I've been getting death/rape threats for 15+ years online, anyone who's ever been any good at competitive online games can probably say the same. It's never bothered me, it's anonymous internet bs. I used to collect them and make them into collages for gaks and giggles.

A couple of years ago a Dakkite threatened to kill me because I posted clean artwork of my RP character and my partner's RP character both wearing 40k power armor in a thread about Dakkites' favorite 40k artwork.

First time I'd ever gotten a death threat online. Admittedly I don't game competitively so the crowds I run into in online games are more relaxed.

Holy feth. I'm sorry that either you had to deal with that.

@Pouncey - I certainly hope that you reported, and that the Mods did something about it. Pretty sure that's a major violation of Dakka rules...

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 MarsNZ wrote:
I've been getting death/rape threats for 15+ years online, anyone who's ever been any good at competitive online games can probably say the same. It's never bothered me, it's anonymous internet bs. I used to collect them and make them into collages for gaks and giggles.

A couple of years ago a Dakkite threatened to kill me because I posted clean artwork of my RP character and my partner's RP character both wearing 40k power armor in a thread about Dakkites' favorite 40k artwork.

First time I'd ever gotten a death threat online. Admittedly I don't game competitively so the crowds I run into in online games are more relaxed.

Holy feth. I'm sorry that either you had to deal with that.

@Pouncey - I certainly hope that you reported, and that the Mods did something about it. Pretty sure that's a major violation of Dakka rules...

Moderator was on the scene in less than 20 minutes. Thread locked, posts deleted, never saw that guy ever again. One of the thing's Dakka's got going for it is a moderator team that steps in when needed very quickly.

The threat itself was not credible in the slightest though. He was an American and he claimed to be getting on a plane to come find me IRL. As in, going through the boarding procedure in the present tense. Given that he said that less than 15 minutes after becoming aware of my existence, and that going through security in a US international airport takes long enough you should probably bring a snack, it was obviously complete crap.

The other people in the thread, regardless of their opinion on furry-40k crossover artwork, fully agreed he was way beyond out of line. When a new version of the thread was made, they specifically invited me to post that artwork.

I really, really prefer the 40k tabletop crowd's reaction to furry 40k crossover stuff compared to the 40k video game crowd. You tabletop guys are usually of the opinion that while it's not your cup of tea, it is merely fan art, thus not canon, and my models are unlikely to ever grace a gaming table with any of you, thus it is of little concern.

The video game crowd is much less passive about their dislike of it. Maybe because they spend a lot of time on the Internet so their gaming medium is exposed to furry 40k crossovers much more often and much more blatantly. Maybe just because people who play tabletop games have long since realized the need for social niceties while gaming since they are always face-to-face with their opponent.

OK, that's about as good of a result as can be.

As for furry-40k, isn't that what the Spaz Woofs have become?

Video games for me were MMO, and I just hung out with the cool Swedes & Germans. Good crowds.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
OK, that's about as good of a result as can be.

As for furry-40k, isn't that what the Spaz Woofs have become?

Video games for me were MMO, and I just hung out with the cool Swedes & Germans. Good crowds.

I have seen the Wulfen. They do not bear much resemblance to a wolf furry. There is a similar thing with World of Warcraft where many non-furry WoW players consider Draenei to be anthro goats, whereas furries place Draenei in the alien category.

I think the funniest thing about the people who hate furries and 40k mixing is that they love pictures where Space Marines brutally murder furries. It's god damned hilarious when you realize that those people are protesting fanart where furries and 40k mix, by creating and enjoying fanart where furries and 40k mix. Their protest art is literally the exact thing it is a protest against.

Do you recall the very old RT-era Imperial Guard Beastmen regiments? Where do they categorize?

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Do you recall the very old RT-era Imperial Guard Beastmen regiments? Where do they categorize?

I have heard of them but never seen their models or art.

I have however, seen some of the incredibly rare fanart of a Felinid, and my assessment is that Felinids are not furries, but instead the 40k version of anime catgirls/catboys.

 Pouncey wrote:
(Quote truncated for brevity) ...I really, really prefer the 40k tabletop crowd's reaction to furry 40k crossover stuff compared to the 40k video game crowd. You tabletop guys are usually of the opinion that while it's not your cup of tea, it is merely fan art, thus not canon, and my models are unlikely to ever grace a gaming table with any of you, thus it is of little concern...

Wait, furry 40k crossover stuff is unlikely ever to grace the table? You mean you guys don't routinely see MLP toys converted with Space Marine bits in your games?

(This comment is mostly comic, the closest to this I've actually seen in real life is a Menoth player with pastel-coloured ponies in Warmachine.)

(I did see someone use LEGO monkeys as Joakero once, though.)

(And I don't know why any of us has a leg to stand on, if someone wanted to grumble about furry models in the game. We've got Wulfen, Scourges, Possessed, Kroot, folks with weapons they ate earlier bubbling up out of their armour-flesh to blast away with, all the unusual biology that comes out of Slaanesh, and we seem to take the weird crypto-fascist theocracy that is the Imperium and their fondness for sticking paper to stuff with wax for protection for granted easily enough. Against that backdrop a planet of fuzzy abhumans seems pretty tame.)

well this derailed super hard

ERJAK wrote:
well this derailed super hard

Thoroughly!

Aiming back for the topic slightly anyone else had a chance to put together some Sisters of Silence? I've found them to be awesome and if they're a predictor of what the plastic Sisters would look like I'm optimistic.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
Aiming back for the topic slightly anyone else had a chance to put together some Sisters of Silence? I've found them to be awesome and if they're a predictor of what the plastic Sisters would look like I'm optimistic.

I like that the SoS have prominent boob armor, shaved heads and enormous phallic swords. This is a good direction for Sisters of Battle.

Only in your bizarre, twisted vision of them, Hwang.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
Aiming back for the topic slightly anyone else had a chance to put together some Sisters of Silence? I've found them to be awesome and if they're a predictor of what the plastic Sisters would look like I'm optimistic.

I found them to be kinda dull. They looked like basically Dark Eldar models with slightly different aesthetics, not like an original sculpt of their own.

Oh yeah, it's even better that they keep their mouths shut!

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:
Aiming back for the topic slightly anyone else had a chance to put together some Sisters of Silence? I've found them to be awesome and if they're a predictor of what the plastic Sisters would look like I'm optimistic.

I like that the SoS have prominent boob armor, shaved heads and enormous phallic swords. This is a good direction for Sisters of Battle.

The cigar is just a cigar, John.

I thought that they were very well posed, that the designers did a good job of making their armour look cohesively armour-like throughout, and that the shoulders, cloaks, and topknots did a good job of giving them the presence/bulk of models in power armour without making them look chunky or unwieldy, but apparently this is yet another thing to add to the long list of things where I'm the only person who likes them.

... do they really have Canoness-style boob-corset armour? Please tell me they don't.


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 AnomanderRake wrote:
this is yet another thing to add to the long list of things where I'm the only person who likes them.

I've seen the rules and I like those. I just... I don't want to paint anymore Madonna boob-corsets. You have no idea how awkward it is to paint Canoness breast-pyramids. Or how sharp they are.

Oh yeah, they'll stab your thumb up a treat.