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 BBAP wrote:
... do they really have Canoness-style boob-corset armour?

Welp, let's just see for ourselves...

 BBAP wrote:
... do they really have Canoness-style boob-corset armour? Please tell me they don't.


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 AnomanderRake wrote:
this is yet another thing to add to the long list of things where I'm the only person who likes them.

I've seen the rules and I like those. I just... I don't want to paint anymore Madonna boob-corsets. You have no idea how awkward it is to paint Canoness breast-pyramids. Or how sharp they are.

Oh yeah, they'll stab your thumb up a treat.

They don't have Canoness-style boob corsets. The torsos are closer to more subdued Howling Banshees than they are to the current Sisters range.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
well this derailed super hard

Thoroughly!

Aiming back for the topic slightly anyone else had a chance to put together some Sisters of Silence? I've found them to be awesome and if they're a predictor of what the plastic Sisters would look like I'm optimistic.

I adore them, the models are very nice in appearance and would be a perfect size for new plastic sisters.

 Pouncey wrote:
You mean apart from the guy on the official GW Facebook page in an official Warhammer TV video who said in no uncertain terms that plastic Sisters of Battle were coming out in 2-3 months?

No uncertain terms?

A video that shows artwork from the BoP box, hints at a sprue for thousand sons space marines that should be put in a box. Big reveal of Magnus the Red model obviously linked to the events from the Burning of Prospero storyline that box focuses on. Which we now know has plastic models of sisters that go into battle in it.

"Cool, this isnt released for months yet."

Long pause

"Plastic Sisters of Battle?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?"

If you take the theme of the video, the tone of his voice which is obviously questioning whether whatever the guy in the bin is looking at is or isn't Sisters of Battle. You cannot be definitively certain that they weren't teasing us about Plastic Sisters of Battle while actually leaking the Sisters of Silence models.

The Sisters of Silence are after all in the box with that leaked artwork, next to the leaked sprue used to model the 1K sons portrayed in the box which were from the Legion that followed the leaked Primarch in the video. Never mind that Sisters of Battle no longer exist in the GW universe.

It's not like he said "plastic adeptus sororitas?!?!?!?"

And if my suspicions are true and the Sisters "of Battle " aren't getting a plastic reboot for x-mas. I will be completely unaffected, my models are purchased, and despite many on the forums who apparently can't even come close to winning with them. I find them pleasantly competitive, even more so when I run double CAD 6 Dom in Repressor builds against your more "meta" minded opponents.

I feel it's a bit of a really long stretch to say he was leaking Sister of Silence when he said "Sisters of Battle". Sisters of Silence are the ones that actually no longer exist in 40k. Sisters of Battle still exist. They are just locked in an infinite lack of fluff because 'they never choose a new leader until the old one is found'...and there's got lost in space.

Sisters of Battle is the name everyone uses for Adepta Sororitas.

Sisters of Silence are simply the Sisters of Silence.

There's very little chance that two people working for GW would confuse the two, by accident or on purpose.


Edit: It's also extremely unlikely that GW will do any reboots for Christmas like that...

I find it hard to believe anyone would get themselves hyped over Sisters rumors again after decades of disappointment, but apparently some peoples' candles burn longer than mine.

OMG, that clip again? People hear what they want to hear, and believe what they want to believe.

 dracpanzer wrote:
Never mind that Sisters of Battle no longer exist in the GW universe.

Alright, I was considering a response to your entire post as a whole until I came across this particular statement and absolutely need to know.

What the feth did I miss in the last month that is making you say Sisters of Battle do not exist anymore? Did I miss Sororitas being squatted?


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 Melissia wrote:
I find it hard to believe anyone would get themselves hyped over Sisters rumors again after decades of disappointment, but apparently some peoples' candles burn longer than mine.

Normally rumors of plastic Sisters of Battle are not spawned by an official GW video where a GW employee digging through the trash bin where they dispose of production byproducts so secretive they grind up everything into pellets that are not recognizable as any sort of actual thing, and says to the camera, "Plastic Sisters of Battle? Thought those weren't due out for another two or three months."

And yet we don't actually see any evidence of their existence yet.

 Melissia wrote:
And yet we don't actually see any evidence of their existence yet.

Well, for one thing, it's only been, what, a month and a half since that video was posted?

And we don't have miniatures or leaks or anything else. Just the one rumor. Just like always. And pardon the cliche, but I'm not a betting woman, but if I were, I'd bet this is going to be more of the same. Once we do have something of substance, maybe I'll start feeling some hype. But we don't have that yet.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
They don't have Canoness-style boob corsets. The torsos are closer to more subdued Howling Banshees than they are to the current Sisters range.

It's hardly Madonna boob-cones but it's still a bit... much. I don't get the need for boob armour on sculpts at all.

 Melissia wrote:
And we don't have miniatures or leaks or anything else. Just the one rumor. Just like always. And pardon the cliche, but I'm not a betting woman, but if I were, I'd bet this is going to be more of the same. Once we do have something of substance, maybe I'll start feeling some hype. But we don't have that yet.

To be honest, after all these long years of tease and neglect, it'd be perfectly understandable to remain sceptical until we had the new models physically in our hands...

 BBAP wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:
They don't have Canoness-style boob corsets. The torsos are closer to more subdued Howling Banshees than they are to the current Sisters range.

It's hardly Madonna boob-cones but it's still a bit... much. I don't get the need for boob armour on sculpts at all.

The Fantasy and Sci-fi genres in general prove very solidly that humans need to see boobs on a character to view them as female.

Why? Because boobs in real life are a very, very human thing that is a result of runaway sexual selection. Larger breasts don't yield more milk, as breasts are simply sacks of fat dangling off a woman's chest. There is no biological benefit to large breasts instead of a mammary gland that is flat against the torso, like pretty much all mammals other than humans have.

Despite how incredibly unique boobs are to humans and only humans, virtually every humanoid alien and fantasy species we have ever created have women with breasts. Even the ones that are not mammals and do not nurture their young with milk have breasts.

To me, this indicates quite solidly that for a human to recognize someone as a woman, that person needs to have breasts.

And I know many of you differ, but I would not like playing Sisters of Battle if they were not female. I strongly prefer playing female characters whenever I possibly can, to a degree that affects what games I am willing to even try playing. And yes, I do actually need my miniatures of female characters to look like women, simply pretending that they are does not work for me, I need to be able to look at my army and have my brain instantly identify them as female, not have to rationalize an explanation to come to that conclusion.

To make Sisters of Battle look like women, they need to have some sort of recognizable breasts. Sisters of Battle wear WH40k power armor, which is a type of plate armor. Plate armor is very, very rigid, so to give the appearance of breasts to someone wearing plate armor, you have to shape the plate armor in a way that makes it look like breasts. Thus, boobplate.

However, all I really require is that my models appear to have breasts when I look at them. This can be done in a variety of ways, not all of which require the approach that the original Sisters of Battle models used, but all of them involve shaping their breastplate in a way that pushes the armor out. The size of the miniatures may also require exaggerating parts of the model to be recognizable from playing distance.

In Final Fantasy 14, some of the newer armor I've come across for my character gives her a completely flat chest. Giving my female character a flat chest does actually damage my enjoyment of the game, so I have instead opted for different armor.

Essentially,what I am trying to tell you is that I need some sort of boobplate to enjoy the Sisters of Battle army. I am malleable on the precise form it takes, bit I need it to be present. Completely flat chest armor would destroy my enjoyment of the army.

I'm less holding out hope due to a single clip from a video...and more holding out hope because someone who has an exceptional track record of rumors being correct and my local games shop being told by a GW distributor both say they are coming in the next few months. They specifically mention 2017 though so I'm not holding out for anything a month after that silly video clip.

 Pouncey wrote:
The Fantasy and Sci-fi genres in general prove very solidly that humans need to see boobs on a character to view them as female.

Not really. They've only really proven that people will often assume male until something is proven female. Which is not a biological thing, but a societal one.

 Pouncey wrote:
To me, this indicates quite solidly that for a human to recognize someone as a woman, that person needs to have breasts.

There's a lot more to a human female that defines them as female purely from a visual standpoint - you look at things such as hips and thighs as well as their breasts. Boobs are just simply the most obvious trait. There is potential to scope a character out as female before they reveal their face without looking at their chest, something that GW models do address while also drowning out those features with "boobplate".

Of course there is the discussion about scale and noticing such features at a distance on that scale; we've done this debate many times before in multiple threads, so I won't elaborate this point here.

In Final Fantasy 14, some of the newer armor I've come across for my character gives her a completely flat chest. Giving my female character a flat chest does actually damage my enjoyment of the game, so I have instead opted for different armor.

Essentially,what I am trying to tell you is that I need some sort of boobplate to enjoy the Sisters of Battle army. I am malleable on the precise form it takes, bit I need it to be present. Completely flat chest armor would destroy my enjoyment of the army.

How exactly does this destroy your enjoyment? Just curious.

The thing about previous sisters rumors vs. now is that before you got 'oh the sculpts are done' and then 6 months later someone say 'oh yeah they'll come out in 6-8 months then 6 months later someone says 'oh yeah plastic sisters could come out whenever' now we have the EXACT SAME rumor cycle that deathwatch and genestealer cults and etc got. Vague stuff months away. Vague maybe significant, maybe nothing hints from gw which all leads into rumors of dates and times that all agree that something is being released for the faction but not exactly what or when. Then comes the anonymous sources claiming much tighter releases windows and specific kits. After that is sad panda, after that is atia, then finally official prerelease teasers out of GW. The train's never late, feel free to hop on!

 Pouncey wrote:

 dracpanzer wrote:
Never mind that Sisters of Battle no longer exist in the GW universe.

What the feth did I miss in the last month that is making you say Sisters of Battle do not exist anymore? Did I miss Sororitas being squatted?

"Plastic Sisters of Battle? Thought those weren't due out for another two or three months."

I said that the Sisters exist as the Adepta Sororitas. The only Imperium unit in the game currently are the Sisters of Silence.

As for the quote, you have the order entirely wrong.

"Cool, these aren't going to be released for months yet!"

Long Pause......

"Plastic Sisters of Battle?!?!?!?!?!?"

The End....

If you turn the sentence around and add words to it, well I guess you can have it say whatever you want it to say. I for one don't buy it. Perhaps I am just too skeptical after a decade plus of "sisters are coming, I herdz it"

In Final Fantasy 14, some of the newer armor I've come across for my character gives her a completely flat chest. Giving my female character a flat chest does actually damage my enjoyment of the game, so I have instead opted for different armor.

Essentially,what I am trying to tell you is that I need some sort of boobplate to enjoy the Sisters of Battle army. I am malleable on the precise form it takes, bit I need it to be present. Completely flat chest armor would destroy my enjoyment of the army.

How exactly does this destroy your enjoyment? Just curious.

Because I look at my female character, see her flat plate armor, and feel worse than I did before seeing that and my urge to play the game is reduced. Then I use Glamour to give my armor the appearance of a piece of armor where my character's boobs are noticeable, and the amount of fun I have with the game goes up and I want to play it more.

Do you really need me to describe the exact process of a thing in a game making the game less enjoyable?


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 dracpanzer wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 dracpanzer wrote:
Never mind that Sisters of Battle no longer exist in the GW universe.

What the feth did I miss in the last month that is making you say Sisters of Battle do not exist anymore? Did I miss Sororitas being squatted?

"Plastic Sisters of Battle? Thought those weren't due out for another two or three months."

I said that the Sisters exist as the Adepta Sororitas. The only Imperium unit in the game currently are the Sisters of Silence.

Sisters of Battle and Adepta Sororitas are effectively synonymous.

And what game do you think we're talking about exactly? Half the playable armies are part of the Imperium.

As for the quote, you have the order entirely wrong.

"Cool, these aren't going to be released for months yet!"

Long Pause......

"Plastic Sisters of Battle?!?!?!?!?!?"

The End....

If you turn the sentence around and add words to it, well I guess you can have it say whatever you want it to say. I for one don't buy it. Perhaps I am just too skeptical after a decade plus of "sisters are coming, I herdz it"

I am quoting it as I remember it because I dislike Facebook too much to go dig up a month and a half old video on GW's Facebook page to prove it one way or the other. If you want to go find it and give me a link, I will rewatch it and concede the point if it turns out you are correct.

 Pouncey wrote:
Do you really need me to describe the exact process of a thing in a game making the game less enjoyable?

Well, kinda. I'm trying to understand how seeing your character flat chested turns off your enjoyment for the game for anything other than the immersion factor (as in she had boobs before and now she doesn't)

If immersion is the problem, that can't really apply to SoB models since you technically have no influence over the characters in your army, at least in appearance - if a Sister was flat chested where she was flat chested before, how would that make you enjoy the model less?

 mmzero252 wrote:
Sisters of Battle still exist. They are just locked in an infinite lack of fluff because 'they never choose a new leader until the old one is found'...and there's got lost in space.

I know they exist, they just aren't called that anymore. Since we haven't had anything but the one mention in the video, which is also about a box set that has a unit of actual "sisters" in it. It is just as likely a troll as it is the truth. Don't have any proof of it, but it's exactly what I thought the moment I heard it. Certainly isn't a confirmation like so many wan't to believe.

I would say that the guy in the video was being cheeky with just about everything he said and every gesture he used. So I wouldn't be surprised if they upped the troll level just a bit. If it is, it was extremely effective.

Not sure what you mean by "infinite lack of fluff because they never choose a new leader until the old one is found". The Adepta Sororitas dex had quite a bit of new fluff when it came out. They had a lot of fluff in the Nid/BA campaign, just sadly no rules.

 dracpanzer wrote:

I know they exist, they just aren't called that anymore. Since we haven't had anything but the one mention in the video, which is also about a box set that has a unit of actual "sisters" in it. It is just as likely a troll as it is the truth. Don't have any proof of it, but it's exactly what I thought the moment I heard it. Certainly isn't a confirmation like so many wan't to believe.

I would say that the guy in the video was being cheeky with just about everything he said and every gesture he used. So I wouldn't be surprised if they upped the troll level just a bit. If it is, it was extremely effective.

Not sure what you mean by "infinite lack of fluff because they never choose a new leader until the old one is found". The Adepta Sororitas dex had quite a bit of new fluff when it came out. They had a lot of fluff in the Nid/BA campaign, just sadly no rules.

They are called Sisters of Battle though...they are called both Sisters of Battle AND Adepta Sororitas. That's like saying nobody calls the Astra Millitarium the Imperial Guard any more.

The part about the fluff is that GW essentially wrote them into a dead end fluff wise with how they get new leadership then suddenly their only candidate gets lost forever.

On the topic of the video though, that was more about Magnus than anything. And no.."sisters of battle" would never be in relation to sisters of silence. Again..GW would not purposefully go and mix up two different armies like that.

Nevermind. I don't understand it, but whatever floats your boat.

 General Annoyance wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
Do you really need me to describe the exact process of a thing in a game making the game less enjoyable?

Well, kinda. I'm trying to understand how seeing your character flat chested turns off your enjoyment for the game for anything other than the immersion factor (as in she had boobs before and now she doesn't)

If immersion is the problem, that can't really apply to SoB models since you technically have no influence over the characters in your army, at least in appearance - if a Sister was flat chested where she was flat chested before, how would that make you enjoy the model less?

The problem is that I like my female characters to have a solid appearance that they have breasts. When I have a female character with flat chest armor, I don't like that. I don't want to play it.

And as for your final statement, presently every Sister in my collection has breasts. I.E. the boobplate you hate so much. Thus, the replacement models having flat torso plates would change my army of Sisters of Battle with boobplate, into an army of Sisters of Battle with flat chest armor.

Buying plastic Sisters of Batttle kits, for me, is not a matter of merely adding extra models to my collection. It is a matter of replacing the old models with new ones.

What exactly do you want me to explain? Do you want me to explain why I like my female characters having noticeable chests and don't like them having much more realistic flat chest armor? If an explanation of why I like what I like, and why I don't like what I don't like, is what you're after, you will be leaving this thread empty-handed, as you have rejected every explanation I have ever been able to offer and the ultimate reason may simply be, "Because I do."

As for why it's a huge issue for me, it's because unlike many other Sisters of Battle players, I have no backup army to turn to. If plastic Sisters of Battle end up having an aesthetic I strongly dislike, there is no other army I can simply start playing. Sisters of Battle are the only army in the game I like, the only thing keeping me interested in WH40k. And my dislike of flat chest armor on female characters is strong enough that if the plastics, whenever they come out, have flat chest armor, that is the end of WH40k tabletop for me.

Could I play with my existing models? Maybe, maybe not. The update might open up wargear options and new units. Continued support for the army would expand tthe range, add new units, and as time goes on, the collection I have becomes insufficient to make an army that is capable of playing even casual games and have a hope of winning, as the army's balance takes into account the new units and tools I will not have access to.

You want flat chest armor because you don't see the point in boobplate.

I want boobplate because without it, I can no longer play WH40k tabletop.

 mmzero252 wrote:
The part about the fluff is that GW essentially wrote them into a dead end fluff wise with how they get new leadership then suddenly their only candidate gets lost forever.

On the topic of the video though, that was more about Magnus than anything. And no.."sisters of battle" would never be in relation to sisters of silence. Again..GW would not purposefully go and mix up two different armies like that.

I must confess to having no clue what you are talking about, suddenly their only leadership candidate gets lost forever? The Adepta Sororitas leadership are simply made up of Veteran Sororitas elevated to the Rank of Canoness. There are a lot of different ones for the different Orders within the fluff.

Magnus was the big hit in the video, but they did leak artwork from the BoP event as well as talking about a sprue of Thousand Sons space marines in the video. Somehow you didn't see GW being cheeky in the video, I certainly did. In the spirit of that, its just as likely that they were trolling everyone about plastic sisters of battle as they weren't.

Back on topic though, if they were trolling us, it has no effect on me or my SoB army. Though I would be happier I think if they were just trolling us. Please GW, give me SoB tactical cards and stay away from my Dex.

 Pouncey wrote:

I am quoting it as I remember it because I dislike Facebook too much to go dig up a month and a half old video on GW's Facebook page to prove it one way or the other. If you want to go find it and give me a link, I will rewatch it and concede the point if it turns out you are correct.

Google it?

 Pouncey wrote:
The problem is that I like my female characters to have a solid appearance that they have breasts. When I have a female character with flat chest armor, I don't like that. I don't want to play it.

Okay, but why? Is there a more nuanced reason why this is the case for you?

And as for your final statement, presently every Sister in my collection has breasts. I.E. the boobplate you hate so much.

I don't hate boobplate, FYI. The statement was a theoretical point to help me understand why you wouldn't like flat chested models.

What exactly do you want me to explain? Do you want me to explain why I like my female characters having noticeable chests and don't like them having much more realistic flat chest armor? If an explanation of why I like what I like, and why I don't like what I don't like, is what you're after, you will be leaving this thread empty-handed, as you have rejected every explanation I have ever been able to offer and the ultimate reason may simply be, "Because I do."

An explanation of why you don't like flat chested armour is exactly what I wanted. If your answer is "because I do" then that's fine. I just thought there may have been some depth to your earlier point.

As for why it's a huge issue for me, it's because unlike many other Sisters of Battle players, I have no backup army to turn to. If plastic Sisters of Battle end up having an aesthetic I strongly dislike, there is no other army I can simply start playing. Sisters of Battle are the only army in the game I like, the only thing keeping me interested in WH40k. And my dislike of flat chest armor on female characters is strong enough that if the plastics, whenever they come out, have flat chest armor, that is the end of WH40k tabletop for me.

So your hatred of flat chested armour is that severe that you would ditch 40k if it were ever to happen?

I get people buying into armies because of their aesthetic, like I have with my 4 armies. Pinpointing the whole aesthetic of the Sisters on their chest dimensions just seems a little... extreme?

You want flat chest armor because you don't see the point in boobplate.

I don't want flat chest armour. Frankly I don't give a how the new Sisters may look, just as long as they keep their knightly and angelic aesthetic designs so I have an opportunity to buy them myself. What cup size the Sisters want to be drafting their recruits in as is not important enough to me to merit not buying models.

I want boobplate because without it, I can no longer play WH40k tabletop.

You could if you could see past that very small nuance in the current Sisters range. In the same way that I don't understand people who (ironically) blow up the topic of Sister's boobplate being ridiculous, I don't understand how the Sisters losing their boobplate will be such a big deal.

I may as well add a disclaimer saying that I'm not trying to be antagonistic to your opinion like you may think I'm doing. We can tone down the passive aggressiveness and have a reasonable discussion about this.

G.A

 dracpanzer wrote:

 mmzero252 wrote:
The part about the fluff is that GW essentially wrote them into a dead end fluff wise with how they get new leadership then suddenly their only candidate gets lost forever.

On the topic of the video though, that was more about Magnus than anything. And no.."sisters of battle" would never be in relation to sisters of silence. Again..GW would not purposefully go and mix up two different armies like that.

I must confess to having no clue what you are talking about, suddenly their only leadership candidate gets lost forever? The Adepta Sororitas leadership are simply made up of Veteran Sororitas elevated to the Rank of Canoness. There are a lot of different ones for the different Orders within the fluff.

Magnus was the big hit in the video, but they did leak artwork from the BoP event as well as talking about a sprue of Thousand Sons space marines in the video. Somehow you didn't see GW being cheeky in the video, I certainly did. In the spirit of that, its just as likely that they were trolling everyone about plastic sisters of battle as they weren't.

Back on topic though, if they were trolling us, it has no effect on me or my SoB army. Though I would be happier I think if they were just trolling us. Please GW, give me SoB tactical cards and stay away from my Dex.

Nothing in that video was to do with the Burning of Prospero release. Magnus, the artwork and the 1k Sons are all for the upcoming Curse of the Wulfen Part 2 release.
And given 2 of the most reputable rumormongers (Atia and Sad Panda, both of which haven't been wrong at all so far) are saying that yes, SoB are indeed coming some time next year, I for one am willing to believe that GW weren't just trolling.

It would also be incredibly incompetent, more so than GW usual has been in the past, to troll their fans like that given the effort they've been trying to put in to build more trust with the community with their new Facebook pages among other things.

 General Annoyance wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
The problem is that I like my female characters to have a solid appearance that they have breasts. When I have a female character with flat chest armor, I don't like that. I don't want to play it.

Okay, but why? Is there a more nuanced reason why this is the case for you?

And as for your final statement, presently every Sister in my collection has breasts. I.E. the boobplate you hate so much.

I don't hate boobplate, FYI. The statement was a theoretical point to help me understand why you wouldn't like flat chested models.

What exactly do you want me to explain? Do you want me to explain why I like my female characters having noticeable chests and don't like them having much more realistic flat chest armor? If an explanation of why I like what I like, and why I don't like what I don't like, is what you're after, you will be leaving this thread empty-handed, as you have rejected every explanation I have ever been able to offer and the ultimate reason may simply be, "Because I do."

An explanation of why you don't like flat chested armour is exactly what I wanted. If your answer is "because I do" then that's fine. I just thought there may have been some depth to your earlier point.

As for why it's a huge issue for me, it's because unlike many other Sisters of Battle players, I have no backup army to turn to. If plastic Sisters of Battle end up having an aesthetic I strongly dislike, there is no other army I can simply start playing. Sisters of Battle are the only army in the game I like, the only thing keeping me interested in WH40k. And my dislike of flat chest armor on female characters is strong enough that if the plastics, whenever they come out, have flat chest armor, that is the end of WH40k tabletop for me.

So your hatred of flat chested armour is that severe that you would ditch 40k if it were ever to happen?

I get people buying into armies because of their aesthetic, like I have with my 4 armies. Pinpointing the whole aesthetic of the Sisters on their chest dimensions just seems a little... extreme?

You want flat chest armor because you don't see the point in boobplate.

I don't want flat chest armour. Frankly I don't give a how the new Sisters may look, just as long as they keep their knightly and angelic aesthetic designs so I have an opportunity to buy them myself. What cup size the Sisters want to be drafting their recruits in as is not important enough to me to merit not buying models.

I want boobplate because without it, I can no longer play WH40k tabletop.

You could if you could see past that very small nuance in the current Sisters range. In the same way that I don't understand people who (ironically) blow up the topic of Sister's boobplate being ridiculous, I don't understand how the Sisters losing their boobplate will be such a big deal.

I may as well add a disclaimer saying that I'm not trying to be antagonistic to your opinion like you may think I'm doing. We can tone down the passive aggressiveness and have a reasonable discussion about this.

G.A

I'm sorry for being aggressive in my response. I assumed you were one of the people I have spent months arguing about Sisters of Battle boobplate and whether it should exist or not. Those arguments have never been pleasant to participate in as I generally get the impression the people I argued with were insinuating I just wanted to perv out on the models, which is not the case but is definitely an insinuation difficult to defend oneself against when I'm arguing for boobs. I have become increasingly defensive in these discussions as a matter of course, as the people I argue against demand I explain myself and then deny the validity of any reasonable argument I bring up in a fairly dismissive manner.

I don't actually hate the idea of smooth chest armor for female characters. It would be the way any sane armor designer would create it and it would be way more effective as protection.

However, while I recognize that flat armor would be more effective, it's not an appearance I enjoy at all. I place a large amount of value on the way things look, and without being dramatic, I would no longer enjoy the appearance of Sisters of Battle if they had flat chest armor. It's not that the boob armor is the only thing I like about them, it's that I dislike flat chests on female characters enough that it would overwhelm everything else I like about them, and my sculpting skills will never be sufficient to simply Green Stuff my models into something I like better.


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 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Nothing in that video was to do with the Burning of Prospero release. Magnus, the artwork and the 1k Sons are all for the upcoming Curse of the Wulfen Part 2 release.
And given 2 of the most reputable rumormongers (Atia and Sad Panda, both of which haven't been wrong at all so far) are saying that yes, SoB are indeed coming some time next year, I for one am willing to believe that GW weren't just trolling.

It would also be incredibly incompetent, more so than GW usual has been in the past, to troll their fans like that given the effort they've been trying to put in to build more trust with the community with their new Facebook pages among other things.

Plastic Sisters of Battle are not the kind of thing GW should ever be joking about. Not simply that they shouldn't troll people in general if they want to rebuild trust, but plastic Sisters of Battle are a topic that has to be dealt with extremely carefully. Making a casual, off-hand joke is not the kind of thing that should be done. Because a lot of people are taking it as a serious promise.

When you neglect one of your playable factions so severely that World of Warcraft was being called "Blizzard's upcoming Runescape-killer" the time they last received new models, you absolutely should not be treating that neglect as fodder for a joke. It's not god damned funny. There are teenagers on this planet who were born after the Sisters of Battle got their last batch of new models.

 mmzero252 wrote:
The part about the fluff is that GW essentially wrote them into a dead end fluff wise with how they get new leadership then suddenly their only candidate gets lost forever.

The Abbess of the Adepta Sororitas, in the lore, vanished and is unable to be found. It's a lazy cop-out to try to make Sisters more Marine-like because it gives the Abbess similarities to the Primarchs... but it doesn't work because nobody cares who the Abbess is to begin with because she never had any character and was never given any depth before her disappearance, unlike the Primarchs.

She was never even given a name. Just a title and then stuffed right in to the fridge.