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God I hope the ACA doesnt get repealed if republicans take office. It has done alot to help my family out.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
God I hope the ACA doesnt get repealed if republicans take office. It has done alot to help my family out.

Personally, I think that it has helped enough people that if it were repealed, it would have to quickly be reinstated, or something better passed. I think there would be mass recall elections and mass rioting over something like that.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
God I hope the ACA doesnt get repealed if republicans take office. It has done alot to help my family out.

Personally, I think that it has helped enough people that if it were repealed, it would have to quickly be reinstated, or something better passed. I think there would be mass recall elections and mass rioting over something like that.

It has helped me family out a lot too.

I seriously doubt your point Ensis. The Republican plan after repeal is..... Tort Reform (i.e. harder to sue Docs for malpractice) and allowing Health Insurance companies to be sold across state lines and going back to the way it was before.

No one would be recalled and no one would riot... at least no one who is a hard scrabble, boot strapping, patriot openly carrying a firearm. The people in the streets would just be people we can demonize as thugs and vandals(BLM), filthy, college idiot, punks (OWS), and unAmerican pinko-commies (Leftists).

 CptJake wrote:
It is more than a grand gesture. It made several vulnerable Democratic congress critters put their name to a vote on it which will be used in the upcoming elections.

Both sides do this. Crap Bags like Rubio avoid hard votes (like the Omnibus) to protect their record.

Vs. the same vote last week and two weeks ago? To quote The Last Dragon: "sucker please."

 Frazzled wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Better late than never...
Congress sends health care repeal to Obama, setting up certain veto...

Make him defend it.

For the 80th time. Quit grandstanding and do the People's business. Your paid to work. DO IT.

Jeez if HRC wasn't anti gun I'd vote partyline Demo just to get these welfare queens out.

IT does 2 things:

1) They've made campaign promises to put one on his desk. If it's such a gakky law, make Obama/Democrat defend it.
2) It telegraphs the voters that they *can* repeal ACA just as long as there's a Republican president. (won't help as HRC isn't going to be beaten).


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 dogma wrote:

Paul Ryan wrote:“I mean, how many times have we been saying we want to put bills on his desk that say who we are and what we believe versus what he believes,” Ryan (R-Wis.) told Fox News host Sean Hannity on Tuesday night. “We have to go on offense in 2016, and we have to offer a bold agenda to the country.”

Bloviation.

In your opinion.

I hope Obama let's it go through. If it's really that bad then we'll be better off. More likely Republicans will have to deal with the crapstorm that follows. They have so thoroughly put Obama and Democrat's name all over the thing that even they won't be able to shift enough blame.

Trump's war of words with Britain has escalated

500,000 people signed a petition calling for Trump to be banned from the UK, and once it hits 500,000, it triggers a debate in Parliament.

Trump has retaliated by threatening to pull the plug on 700 million pounds of investment in the UK.

A British politician has called for 700 million to be spent on an anti-Trump barrier around Britain

I would gladly see my tax money spent on that barrier!

If we ban Trump, and Trump becomes President, will the US marines be heading our way?

I can't believe that after half a decade, Obama will be forced to actually defend the ACA for the first time ever...

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Trump's war of words with Britain has escalated

500,000 people signed a petition calling for Trump to be banned from the UK, and once it hits 500,000, it triggers a debate in Parliament.

Trump has retaliated by threatening to pull the plug on 700 million pounds of investment in the UK.

A British politician has called for 700 million to be spent on an anti-Trump barrier around Britain

If we ban Trump, and Trump becomes President, will the US marines be heading our way?

You know what... I find that all kinds of awesome.

Don't worry, Trump won't ever be President.

 whembly wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Trump's war of words with Britain has escalated

500,000 people signed a petition calling for Trump to be banned from the UK, and once it hits 500,000, it triggers a debate in Parliament.

Trump has retaliated by threatening to pull the plug on 700 million pounds of investment in the UK.

A British politician has called for 700 million to be spent on an anti-Trump barrier around Britain

If we ban Trump, and Trump becomes President, will the US marines be heading our way?

You know what... I find that all kinds of awesome.

Don't worry, Trump won't ever be President.

Let's hope he doesn't make 1600, Whembley, because it would be very embarrassing if we banned him and he was President

I dont know, it is looking like a fight between Cruz and Trump right now. and im not sure cruz has the momentum.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I dont know, it is looking like a fight between Cruz and Trump right now. and im not sure cruz has the momentum.

I'll be honest with American dakka members. If Trump becomes president, I don't care what he does to the USA. Sorry!

I just don't want the 101st and 82nd airborne heading Britain's way!

Neither do we, but if it ends up Trump Vs. Clinton, there is a REAL possibility trump will win.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I dont know, it is looking like a fight between Cruz and Trump right now. and im not sure cruz has the momentum.

I'll be honest with American dakka members. If Trump becomes president, I don't care what he does to the USA. Sorry!

I just don't want the 101st and 82nd airborne heading Britain's way!

If Trump becomes president the I think the 101st and 82nd will be coming over to join us and plan a new British invasion of the USA rather than conquer

On Ft Bragg (home of the 82nd) I've seen several Trump bumper stickers over the last couple months.

 CptJake wrote:
On Ft Bragg (home of the 82nd) I've seen several Trump bumper stickers over the last couple months.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!

 whembly wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Better late than never...
Congress sends health care repeal to Obama, setting up certain veto...

Make him defend it.

For the 80th time. Quit grandstanding and do the People's business. Your paid to work. DO IT.

Jeez if HRC wasn't anti gun I'd vote partyline Demo just to get these welfare queens out.

IT does 2 things:

1) They've made campaign promises to put one on his desk. If it's such a gakky law, make Obama/Democrat defend it.
2) It telegraphs the voters that they *can* repeal ACA just as long as there's a Republican president. (won't help as HRC isn't going to be beaten).

He doesn't need to defend gak, he just needs to not sign it. Pocket veto.

Constitutional law really should be a class in HighSchool.............then we would have less people supporting trump

Well, that's sort of what Civics is, although that may be a NY thing.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Constitutional law really should be a class in HighSchool.............then we would have less people supporting trump

I don't think you would. You'd just have people petitioning for new amendments whilst they support Trump instead.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
He doesn't need to defend gak, he just needs to not sign it. Pocket veto.

Isn't that only if specific conditions are met, such as Congress is not in session after the 10 day period?

 Breotan wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
He doesn't need to defend gak, he just needs to not sign it. Pocket veto.

Isn't that only if specific conditions are met, such as Congress is not in session after the 10 day period?

IIRC, it just needs him to not sign it within the time period, although I may be remembering it wrong.

He's in the last year of a 2nd term, it's his signature achievement, and there aren't votes to overturn in: there's no reason to use a pocket veto when he can use a regular veto while holding a press conference denouncing it as a giant waste of time, which it was.

It's not going to "hurt" Obama to defend it, the general public is pretty aware of how he feels about it already. Similarly democrats running for re-election. The last drop of blood has been beaten from this horse's corpse, in my opinion.

1) They've made campaign promises to put one on his desk. If it's such a gakky law, make Obama/Democrat defend it.
2) It telegraphs the voters that they *can* repeal ACA just as long as there's a Republican president. (won't help as HRC isn't going to be beaten).

But they've already done that before.
newsflash it just makes them look stupid, incompetent, and lazy (not necessarily in that order).

Put up a freaking BUDGET like you are required to do. Repeal some admin laws. Repeal the freaking honey subsidy from WWI. Do your job.

It just seems cruel at this point to attempt to repeal the ACA without a replacement plan. I'm inclined to agree with those that noted that it's probably not even the GOPs desire to repeal it, because they would face a huge backlash, and if they keep it alive they can try and use it as a perpetual wedge issue like abortion.

I'll be interested to see what Paul Ryan comes up with, whenever that might be

The guy who always points to the benefits of the ACA and makes jokes about it being called "Obamacare" really needed the republicans to force him to defend it...

Trump is celebrating the loss of American jobs. Truly more unemployment is the way to make America Great Again!

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-gloats-massive-macys-125936586.html

Real-estate tycoon Donald Trump took a mocking jab at Macy's on Thursday, a day after the department-store giant announced plans to eliminate thousands of jobs.
According to The New York Times, Macy's said it would eliminate 4,500 jobs, or 3% of its workforce, after disappointing holiday-season sales.

Trump, the Republican presidential front-runner, declared on Twitter that the company's cratering stock was "another win for Trump!"

Its only poor people and minorities are loosing their job. Not Rich White people, so for trump, that is a win.


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 Frazzled wrote:

1) They've made campaign promises to put one on his desk. If it's such a gakky law, make Obama/Democrat defend it.
2) It telegraphs the voters that they *can* repeal ACA just as long as there's a Republican president. (won't help as HRC isn't going to be beaten).

But they've already done that before.
newsflash it just makes them look stupid, incompetent, and lazy (not necessarily in that order).

Put up a freaking BUDGET like you are required to do. Repeal some admin laws. Repeal the freaking honey subsidy from WWI. Do your job.

Congress is the only place you can fail upwards.

 Ouze wrote:

It's not going to "hurt" Obama to defend it, the general public is pretty aware of how he feels about it already. Similarly democrats running for re-election. The last drop of blood has been beaten from this horse's corpse, in my opinion.

I think it's elevated to the big wedge issues such as gun control or abortion.

It'll be used as Republicans try to keep the Senate (which is a challenge at the moment). Hence, why they're doing this as a standalone.

To Frazzle's point, they *couldn't* add it to the omnibus because of Democrat's opposition. Unless, you'd want them to nuke the filabuster as a whole?

Do none of the GOP realize that they'll have to present an option to replace the ACA at some point? I think that axing the healthcare of millions of people might upset some few....at least.