What are the Consequences of the Cadia Event? [Possible Spoilers and Speculation]

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**Lionheart713**

I want to know what you think about what we can expect next.

Here's a few, organized by likeliness:

Very Likely

Spoiler:

Probable

Spoiler:

Low Probability

Spoiler:

Almost Impossible, but We Can Hope

Spoiler:

**BrianDavion**

can we get a summery of what happened?

**Lionheart713**

Abbadon's 13th Black Crusade splits Cadia in half, killing off Creed and his platoon, Inquisitor Greyfax, Belisarius Cawl and Saint Celestine.

**SomeRandomEvilGuy**

Lionheart713 wrote:
Abbadon's 13th Black Crusade splits Cadia in half, killing off Creed and his platoon, Inquisitor Greyfax, Belisarius Cawl and Saint Celestine.

Spoiler:

**Lionheart713**

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

Spoiler:

From what I've seen of the leaks this is presumption. There's a lot of talk about Cadia falling and it may well be destroyed (not explicitly stated though) but I doubt Creed will be killed off but will rather withdraw (especially since Celestine prevented Abaddon from killing him personally).

I think it's a safe assumption to say he's dead by the point that Cadia is split in half. I doubt anyone can survive that.

**SomeRandomEvilGuy**

Lionheart713 wrote:

I think it's a safe assumption to say he's dead by the point that Cadia is split in half. I doubt anyone can survive that.

Withdrawing is an option.

**Neophyte2012**

The major background fluff feels like:
Even Imperium can win 40k times against Chaos, Chaos force is still Chaos force that is not weakened at all and can Always come back some times later. (Look at how many times Abbadon had been defeated in his Black Crusades, and every time he is "suffering severe lost", but the Traitor Legions just keep growing ever larger the next time he come back).

But if Chaos can ever win against Imperium once, everything is doomed.

**TheoreticalFish**

Spoiler:

This river of blood he is planning, the stretch of warp from the Eye to Terra, this wouldn't happen quickly would it? It would theoretically take a few years to stretch halfway across the galaxy, so we could see a few more conflicts between now and Siege of Terra 2; Warptastic Boogaloo.

Would love to see a fight that has everyone pitch in. Like a 'global' conflict per say.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Also, hasn't the Tau empire already gone through this Heresy/Civil War? The Farsight Enclaves split 100 years before Fall of Cadia, and have kinda flourished. The Ehtreals have responded by denying this ever happened, and has named the area of space the FE live in, the Forbidden Zone.

**Exergy**

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:
Lionheart713 wrote:

I think it's a safe assumption to say he's dead by the point that Cadia is split in half. I doubt anyone can survive that.

Withdrawing is an option.

Apparently some eldar harlequins saved some of humanities greatest heros by taking them into the webway. It's possible the DE are going to be on the IoM side.

**SomeRandomEvilGuy**

Spoiler:

Exergy wrote:Apparently some eldar harlequins saved some of humanities greatest heros by taking them into the webway. It's possible the DE are going to be on the IoM side.

That would work. The Dark Eldar would suffer if the forces of Chaos do too well so I can see them fighting against Chaos.

**godardc**

Don't forget what was said in Traitor's Hate about the new warp rift coming from the artifact.
Now, we have the Cadian Gate (and its "no warp zone" effect) gone, and a futur new warp rift.
It is going to be very interesting, soon.
But how will GW do ? We are only early January and Cadia has alreay blown up !

**JustaerinAtTheWall**

I'd like to see the Tau have a more prominent role in the galaxy, as it's just the eastern fringes dealing with them right now. A big battle over Terra would be cool, as a BoT 2: Abaddon's Return.

**_tombo**

Well the thing that interests me most is either The Imperium consolidate and repel Abaddon, leaving pretty much every other race to expand and flourish (which would be great for the overall game and fluff imo) or they hold tight and Chaos spills into the galaxy and ultimately threatens Terra, which I think is the most likely route, as it would mean numerous campaign options across the galaxy repelling Chaos right throughout 8th edition.

**BrianDavion**

there's a third option of course, that the IoM makes their stand at another world all together and manages to blunt abbaddon there. the end result is a "new cadia" type world. constantly under siege. this would be the "status quo" answer

**AnomanderRake**

Sorted under "almost impossible, but we can hope": GW uses this as an excuse to update the twenty-year-old Guard infantry kits.

**Aaranis**

Hey where can I follow all these events ? You're talking about screenshots and all, where do they come from ? It all goes so fast, last week I was still learning that Cadia is attacked by Abaddon and now it's blowing up ?

**Asterios**

spoilered so as to not ruin it for people.

Spoiler:

**Exergy**

BrianDavion wrote:
there's a third option of course, that the IoM makes their stand at another world all together and manages to blunt abbaddon there. the end result is a "new cadia" type world. constantly under siege. this would be the "status quo" answer

but no other world has ancient Necron Pylons that are containing the eye of terror. Cadia falling quickly results in either the IoM collapsing or the Chaos forces being decimated to the point they pose no real threat anymore.

**JustaerinAtTheWall**

Asterios wrote:
spoilered so as to not ruin it for people.

Spoiler:

What will happen is Cadia will go the way of Caliban(the destruction and warp storms) but at the same time it will cause a seal in the warp which will reduce Chaos's influence in the area.
Creed will survive but at the cost of Kell.
the Tyranids will have a wakening of many of their Splinter fleets that were hibernating in the galaxy.
Ghazghkull will have his galaxy spanning Waauugghh going on.
the Tau will be caught up in a war between the Nids and the Orks.
the Eldar will lose a planetship.
the dark Eldar will be hard hit by the Chaos forces.
Chaos will breach Terra's defenses when the Emperor is weakened(or killed?) by the destruction of Cadia and its effect felt in the warp field.
The Necrons will boil over in a civil war with one of their clans coming out on top.
the Space Marines will be scattered over all corners of the galaxy with a new generation of Chapters being born.
Roboute Gulliman angered by what has become of the Imperium will break off from the Imperium and cause a rift with his brother the Lion.
The Lion will defend Terra at the cost of most of his chapters generations(his guilt from not being there when his father needed him), begging Gulliman for aide, Gulliman will ignore the please saying Terra needs to be cleansed of the evil that permeates it, but eventually Gulliman will give in when he realizes his actions are just as bad as Horus's (another Primarch will bring that to his attention).

and the big finally a new force will enter the Galaxy.

Is this the confirmed path that will be taken, or just your theory?

**Asterios**

JustaerinAtTheWall wrote:
Asterios wrote:
spoilered so as to not ruin it for people.

Spoiler:

What will happen is Cadia will go the way of Caliban(the destruction and warp storms) but at the same time it will cause a seal in the warp which will reduce Chaos's influence in the area.
Creed will survive but at the cost of Kell.
the Tyranids will have a wakening of many of their Splinter fleets that were hibernating in the galaxy.
Ghazghkull will have his galaxy spanning Waauugghh going on.
the Tau will be caught up in a war between the Nids and the Orks.
the Eldar will lose a planetship.
the dark Eldar will be hard hit by the Chaos forces.
Chaos will breach Terra's defenses when the Emperor is weakened(or killed?) by the destruction of Cadia and its effect felt in the warp field.
The Necrons will boil over in a civil war with one of their clans coming out on top.
the Space Marines will be scattered over all corners of the galaxy with a new generation of Chapters being born.
Roboute Gulliman angered by what has become of the Imperium will break off from the Imperium and cause a rift with his brother the Lion.
The Lion will defend Terra at the cost of most of his chapters generations(his guilt from not being there when his father needed him), begging Gulliman for aide, Gulliman will ignore the please saying Terra needs to be cleansed of the evil that permeates it, but eventually Gulliman will give in when he realizes his actions are just as bad as Horus's (another Primarch will bring that to his attention).

and the big finally a new force will enter the Galaxy.

Is this the confirmed path that will be taken, or just your theory?

I will say Theory, yeah Theory works for me.

**Crazyterran**

Lol, people thinking Guilliman did anything wrong. Back to 4chan with you!

The Imperium lasted ten thousand years on the back of him and Malcador. Could you imagine if Huron got a Legion's worth of Marines and then went rogue?

Compartmentalizing things, especially after the reveal of the ruinous powers, was a good thing. If what FW said is canon (that members of the loyalist legions went traitor/chaos and vice versa) then Guilliman would know that the only way to ensure another Legion doesn't fall is to split them up, especially if him and his loyal brothers start dying off.

Out of universe, we wouldn't have all these cool successors like the Minotaurs, Raptors, Soul Drinkers (another good example of why things had to be split), etc. Not even mentioning that it's been GW's fluff since the beginning.

**Asterios**

Crazyterran wrote:
Lol, people thinking Guilliman did anything wrong. Back to 4chan with you!

The Imperium lasted ten thousand years on the back of him and Malcador. Could you imagine if Huron got a Legion's worth of Marines and then went rogue?

Compartmentalizing things, especially after the reveal of the ruinous powers, was a good thing. If what FW said is canon (that members of the loyalist legions went traitor/chaos and vice versa) then Guilliman would know that the only way to ensure another Legion doesn't fall is to split them up, especially if him and his loyal brothers start dying off.

Out of universe, we wouldn't have all these cool successors like the Minotaurs, Raptors, Soul Drinkers (another good example of why things had to be split), etc. Not even mentioning that it's been GW's fluff since the beginning.

who said Gulliman did anything wrong? as far as he'll see it, the Imperium has corrupted his fathers dream.

**BrianDavion**

Asterios wrote:
Crazyterran wrote:
Lol, people thinking Guilliman did anything wrong. Back to 4chan with you!

The Imperium lasted ten thousand years on the back of him and Malcador. Could you imagine if Huron got a Legion's worth of Marines and then went rogue?

Compartmentalizing things, especially after the reveal of the ruinous powers, was a good thing. If what FW said is canon (that members of the loyalist legions went traitor/chaos and vice versa) then Guilliman would know that the only way to ensure another Legion doesn't fall is to split them up, especially if him and his loyal brothers start dying off.

Out of universe, we wouldn't have all these cool successors like the Minotaurs, Raptors, Soul Drinkers (another good example of why things had to be split), etc. Not even mentioning that it's been GW's fluff since the beginning.

who said Gulliman did anything wrong? as far as he'll see it, the Imperium has corrupted his fathers dream.

except sitting back in a huff because things have changed isn't in Gulliman's character, he'd not the pratical realities of the situation, develop ideas to change it so it could be better and move to impliment them in a realistic fashion. the HH novels keep talking about Gulliman and his tendancy for "the pratical and the theoretical" he just doesn't seem the type to be in a huff.
He's more the type to save terra and the IoM and THEN suggest reforms and changes

**Skymate**

The end of the Cadian kits

GW has already taken the Empire from me and replaced it with Sigmarines. I hope they don't replace the Imperial guard with not-marines too

**JustaerinAtTheWall**

Skymate wrote:
The end of the Cadian kits
GW has already taken the Empire from me and replaced it with Sigmarines. I hope they don't replace the Imperial guard with not-marines too

Fret not, you'll still have your guardsmen, just not cadians. I suspect they'll either introduce a new regiment or begin promoting the other ones more heavily.

**Cataphract**

How are the Cadian regiments spread throughout the Galaxy reacting you think? Probably more than one Fortress World originally settled by Cadians screaming bloody murder.

**toasteroven**

Everybody just going to turn into snakes, no big deal.

**1hadhq**

The Consequences are:

it was all just daydreaming of Ezekyle A.

Maybe somebody deemed it a good idea to let Cadia xplode.... probably GW didn't get enough Astra Militarum Sales with Cadians printed on these boxes and the silly people buying "Imperial Guard" don't count....

So from 6 well-known recrutement sources the IG just lost 1. To balance this we also have to remove 1 Traitor legion, 1 Craft world, 1 Necron Dynasty, 1 Ork Klan, 1/6 of all Tyranids , 1 Tau Sept, etc.

But generally it isn't sustainable to remove systems like Cadia, because you can't xplode a few wellknown parts of the background each year. You will run out of possible targets in less than 10 years.
Until you already play all your "get-outof-jail-free-cards" and the plan isn't another 25-30 years of wh40k.?

**BrianDavion**

1hadhq wrote:
The Consequences are: it was all just daydreaming of Ezekyle A.

Maybe somebody deemed it a good idea to let Cadia xplode.... probably GW didn't get enough Astra Militarum Sales with Cadians printed on these boxes and the silly people buying "Imperial Guard" don't count....

So from 6 well-known recrutement sources the IG just lost 1. To balance this we also have to remove 1 Traitor legion, 1 Craft world, 1 Necron Dynasty, 1 Ork Klan, 1/6 of all Tyranids , 1 Tau Sept, etc.

But generally it isn't sustainable to remove systems like Cadia, because you can't xplode a few wellknown parts of the background each year. You will run out of possible targets in less than 10 years.
Until you already play all your "get-outof-jail-free-cards" and the plan isn't another 25-30 years of wh40k.?

you're assuming they need to balance that, cadian equipment is pretty standard stuff, many other worlds use their kit, so modeling wise we lost nothing if GW so deems it. as for killing other factions for some balance, not really how it works, the IOM is supposed to be realing, and slowly loseing. a balance isn't going to give this impression

**Asterios**

BrianDavion wrote:
Asterios wrote:
Crazyterran wrote:
Lol, people thinking Guilliman did anything wrong. Back to 4chan with you!

The Imperium lasted ten thousand years on the back of him and Malcador. Could you imagine if Huron got a Legion's worth of Marines and then went rogue?

Compartmentalizing things, especially after the reveal of the ruinous powers, was a good thing. If what FW said is canon (that members of the loyalist legions went traitor/chaos and vice versa) then Guilliman would know that the only way to ensure another Legion doesn't fall is to split them up, especially if him and his loyal brothers start dying off.

Out of universe, we wouldn't have all these cool successors like the Minotaurs, Raptors, Soul Drinkers (another good example of why things had to be split), etc. Not even mentioning that it's been GW's fluff since the beginning.

who said Gulliman did anything wrong? as far as he'll see it, the Imperium has corrupted his fathers dream.

except sitting back in a huff because things have changed isn't in Gulliman's character, he'd not the pratical realities of the situation, develop ideas to change it so it could be better and move to impliment them in a realistic fashion. the HH novels keep talking about Gulliman and his tendancy for "the pratical and the theoretical" he just doesn't seem the type to be in a huff.
He's more the type to save terra and the IoM and THEN suggest reforms and changes

you would be surprised, Gulliman will try to change things but the IoM will not wish to change, so he will leave the IoM to fend for itself while setting up Ultramar for defenses against any and all who come calling.