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> That sucks. It's odd that it would default like that for the extras (I understand the base core box is the default unless you trade it in but that's different).
In D&L4, Gamefound had that weird "lane exit in a southbound direction" icon that had people confused, so some accidentally selected multiples of the default Elven Forest. You can correct this in the PM.
See the D&L Fans FB page for the post about that weird icon, if you're not sure if you selected the right icon.
Hope the Lava Rooms get sold on eBay. Didn't think of LED's for the frost cavern!
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There is a Dungeons and lasers FB trading page I was referred to on the KS. Perhaps I can off load it there. Reading comments and posts, people received the wrong rooms as well. One gentlemen, has 9 Dwarven mine rooms he is wanting to trade.
I have pledged to 85 KS with little to no issues. Bummer really, as this is the second KS I have with them and planned to purchase 5 mammoth walkers when they were available. The emails they sent in regards to my issue has however changed my mind.
Perhaps I can paint brown and create a cave?
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Ernster wrote: On the Dungeons and lazers 3 I went with the Town pledge, 2 Core fantasy walls, and unfortunately did not pick the room sets. It default and or picked for me and I got 7 Lava of which I do not want and Archon said I have to pay to ship back. It should not have accepted my town pledges with out me selecting the rooms. What a waste.
Lava is the default room for the pledge manager. I doubt you are the only one caught up with this.
I will say this, D&L is very good, and the Core Fantasy is a good start. While having a mix of dungeon related rooms would be best some rooms only really work en masse. I ended up buying five dwarven mines because you dont want a mine room, you want a mine level at least. Even so I barely have enough for a decent mine. I think lava is the same. I went with a blue lava room as a magical ice chamber for storing food, or the individual lair of an ice monster in a menagerie.
For a lave dungeon though you could well end up using seven sets easily. Room sets do not go far.
You are now the proud owner of a fire dungeon and a regular dungeon. I would expand from that if I were you rather than take things away. Things like Warlock Altar and Torture Chamber you only need one set of and mix it in. You can buy those separately, or add them to an Encounters pledge as an add on.
Sewers and Dwarven mines are both go big or go home. With the pledge level you bought into you can save these for later.
D&L is the best overall dungeon set I have seen It best Warlock tiles, Dwarven forge and all the others easily due to a variety of factors. If you like the Core sets you will likely want to go a lot deeper over time. Most gamers who buy in end up coming back for more and bigger layouts. Don't lament your purchase, keep it and use it as a base to build on, or find another D&L player in your community and sell him the lava dungeon. I dont think you will find a hard time getting a buyer.
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Thanks for the info Orlanth. I will probably try and trade them for another fantasy as I want to expand the dungeon. Do you know if plausible to paint as a cave or do the walls appear dripping?
I was hoping to see how versatile they core fantasy would be with my Maki Modular terrain.
I'm kind of disappointed I didn't do another set for frost caverns in the blue (as I think with some cheap LEDs and dry brushing it would look cool) as to even just have an ice cavern large enough for a reasonably sized dragon fight it would cost around $150 at retail at MSRP but if I had gone up one level in the KS (doubling my cost) I would have gotten about that size of a room for maybe $30. Thems the breaks though but it does feel like it's an expensive catch-up game if you haven't backed all the campaigns so I see no reason to move away from 3d printing for a lot of what they have.
The opposite problem perhaps. I bought one blue lava room, it makes for a decent walk in freezer for a wizard, and a handful of different floor tiles for the mix of general tiles. The floor tiles also don't really work for ice rooms, only the walls do.
I think you are using the wrong product for ice caverns though, get a sheet of foam, cut out your cavern with a hot wire cutter. Mount on heavy cardstock, Prime with brush-on mid BLUE primer, not white. Then paint it white and seal it with Mod Podge. Done. You can use a double size D&L tile as the entrance to the cavern so it fits in with your dungeon. File it down underneath and have a run off of cardstock with the top laver and corrugation cut off to fit with the dungeon tile. Cut a single dungeon wall tile in half and match it to the cavern walls. Paint the entrance area to match your dungeon and add some snow effect to it fading off over the width of the tile. Now it fits your dungeon.
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Ernster wrote: Thanks for the info Orlanth. I will probably try and trade them for another fantasy as I want to expand the dungeon. Do you know if plausible to paint as a cave or do the walls appear dripping?
I was hoping to see how versatile they core fantasy would be with my Maki Modular terrain.
I would hold onto them until after you have played with the core sets a bit. Find out what type of dungeon builder you are. You may be the restrained type who finds a double dungeon core set adequate for all his generic dungeon needs, or you might need moar! In the latter case I can totally see the use for seven lava rooms. You can do nice stuff like elemental plane of fire dungeon or dungeon sections a la Temple of Elemental Evil. One box simply won't cut it.
Now don't get me wrong, I would not have bought seven lava rooms, I didn't and I am plenty hardcore into D&L. But that is because my budget would not stretch that far, I cannot buy everything, so a lava level is something that didn't make the cut. But if I were to make a lava level I would buy a minimum of five room sets. Eventually once I have all the generic stuff in sufficient numbers I might just do this.
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I think you are using the wrong product for ice caverns though, get a sheet of foam, cut out your cavern with a hot wire cutter. Mount on heavy cardstock, Prime with brush-on mid BLUE primer, not white. Then paint it white and seal it with Mod Podge. Done. You can use a double size D&L tile as the entrance to the cavern so it fits in with your dungeon. File it down underneath and have a run off of cardstock with the top laver and corrugation cut off to fit with the dungeon tile. Cut a single dungeon wall tile in half and match it to the cavern walls. Paint the entrance area to match your dungeon and add some snow effect to it fading off over the width of the tile. Now it fits your dungeon.
No offense but why would I be buying expensive plastic kits if I was willing to make it with cheap foam?
I think Orlanth meant it to be done cheaper as opposed to spending more expensive kits. heck, get some lava rooms and paint em blue then white like he said. I know a guy. ;0
I think you are using the wrong product for ice caverns though, get a sheet of foam, cut out your cavern with a hot wire cutter. Mount on heavy cardstock, Prime with brush-on mid BLUE primer, not white. Then paint it white and seal it with Mod Podge. Done. You can use a double size D&L tile as the entrance to the cavern so it fits in with your dungeon. File it down underneath and have a run off of cardstock with the top laver and corrugation cut off to fit with the dungeon tile. Cut a single dungeon wall tile in half and match it to the cavern walls. Paint the entrance area to match your dungeon and add some snow effect to it fading off over the width of the tile. Now it fits your dungeon.
No offense but why would I be buying expensive plastic kits if I was willing to make it with cheap foam?
It isnt a downgrade. If you want a dungeon with icy walls, buy plastic kits and add ice effects. If you want an 'ice cavern' you are actually getting a better quality end result by the above method. Ice walls and stone walls look way different, and it just looks wrong to make ice square and straight unless it is sculpted somehow.
Now if you want an irregular cavern, and want a plastic product for it. Here you go:
I never rate the wilderness terrain for this system, and D&L Encounters is far superior product. But for caverns, this is a good shot. I am in for an 'Ogre' pledge.
you could buy a 'Troll or 'Goblin' pledge level as seen below.
And yes I will be gluing a dungeon tile to a bit of dungeon walling and some cavern pieces to make transition tiles. This product will require a play mat though, but I dont see that as a problem, the transition tiles will be filed down on the cavern side so you 'step off the dungeon tiles onto the cavern floor.
You could buy this and paint to as ice easily enough. If you go Ogre you would likely have enough bitz to make different sets.
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New renders from Facebook - size looks fine (compared to the mini at least). The thatch might be a bit thick but renders can be harder to judge, the cobweb is a nice little detail. I wouldn’t be surprised if you get half on a sprue and 2 sprues forms the entire piece to save on tooling.
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Finally received my shipping notification of D&L3, stating that it should arrive on Monday.
8.3 kg :O
I kinda forgot what I ordered apart from the "All Dragons" pack.
DaveC wrote: New renders from Facebook - size looks fine (compared to the mini at least).
Thank you.
Ok, don't like this. It is well made and decorated but a hovel. I can understand a barbarian tribe having low expectations for housing, they are an outdoors people who need rain shelters and places to sleep and keep their stuff in a community with little to no crime. But that is it. Thwey would at least be big enough to enter, the house door has just about room for the mini showcased, and a big barbarian would struggle.
What a waste, Archon need to make this out of four pieces by rotation and make it a lot wider, the height is just fine for a watchtower, but it is way too narrow. Even if there is interior space there is no room to put anything.
Is that even a hut? You cant lie down in it.
One decent piece at least.
Archon are suffering from excess generosity in the past, but are heading too far the other way. If they are going to do a half arsed job, why include the stretchgoal.
Here is what Archon should do. Recognise that most of these items can be made from four pieces in rotation per level/side of the structure. So make a sprue with upsized elements of the hut and tower and include four such sprues in the box, then have a different sprue with all the other pieces. A hnut should be able to hold multiple natives and a tower some guards and somewhere to sit.
They are making a nice big Tarrasque, thank you, but then make the buildings so dinky
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The highlander hut is a real world design from Scandinavia. The hunts generally have a dug down floor so you're stepping down. It's very close to how big some where.
The tower is fine as well. Ladders exist and it looks like things can easily fit in the top without the roof. It will depend on the mini of course but I don't see anything wrong with them.
The hut, I'm not sure if it's based off a real world thing or not, but it's a very common video game design and range from that size to larger. I'm fine with it as is. Sometimes you want something that's just a place for things to stand during combat and don't really care if it's realistic to live in.
There is also the aspect that these are tools to help your imagination, not always a 1:1 representation of what is shown.
"Sorry Barry, I know you got that awesome new +3 Flaming Longsword for your character, but you haven't converted Sir Bartrum's miniature and I can see he is clearly still holding the Axe you had last session so you do not get the extra fire damage against the Troll"
I would prefer things to be 100% perfect and awesome but I also understand there is a balance between cost/benefit in these things.
I agree with you Orlanth. I seem to recall Archon said they were responding to backer feedback and making those pieces bigger than originally planned but I am not sure they will make them big enough. I am ok with the Highlander hut with the recessed floor explanation but the watch tower and swamp hut are not big enough for me.
Monkeysloth wrote: The highlander hut is a real world design from Scandinavia. The hunts generally have a dug down floor so you're stepping down. It's very close to how big some where.
The tower is fine as well. Ladders exist and it looks like things can easily fit in the top without the roof. It will depend on the mini of course but I don't see anything wrong with them.
I have seen follies that size, but those are Victorian edifices and not functional. A watchtower needs room for two guards, and is a good choice for a playable space. I would say 2" interior diameter so there is room for three miniature bases. A tower is a tactically interactive space. It not like Archon dont do interiors.
The hut, I'm not sure if it's based off a real world thing or not, but it's a very common video game design and range from that size to larger. I'm fine with it as is. Sometimes you want something that's just a place for things to stand during combat and don't really care if it's realistic to live in.
I seen them before too, and still don't see the point.. Put the walls on the outside, problem solved.
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In the real word design, called a Pit-house, the smoke vent would have been in the front or back at the top of the A frame (above the door frame for example) but the other miniature versions I have via other companies don't have a smoke vent at all.
This is likely the design they're influenced by which is a reproduction in Denmark with person for scale and it's not much larger then what we're getting. The main reason of the ground being dug down, and this was something the celts and others did as well, is it is much better insulation for heat and cold and gives you more room as the sloped roof has a few feet underneath it straight down so you can actually use that area. Or, as in the case with greenland, there's not much wood around so you can use a minimum of the material.
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I seen them before too, and still don't see the point.. Put the walls on the outside, problem solved.
Then they'd look boring and not serve their purpose as a platform to base archers on when it's placed in the water. That's why I want it. Could care less if it's practical for something to sleep there.
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I seen them before too, and still don't see the point.. Put the walls on the outside, problem solved.
Then they'd look boring and not serve their purpose as a platform to base archers on when it's placed in the water. That's why I want it. Could care less if it's practical for something to sleep there.
Place the walls along the outside, along the rim of the roof, simplify the roof so you can have a single piece cast top down. Then have your fan walkway around that. I would sacrifice a visible interior in this case for a larger play piece, and it would mean more space for archers.
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Neat. Meanwhile the FedEx truck with my pledges 3 and 4 took a wrong turn at Albuquerque, again. I'm beginning to suspect I'm on some sort of blacklist.
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lord_blackfang wrote: Neat. Meanwhile the FedEx truck with my pledges 3 and 4 took a wrong turn at Albuquerque, again. I'm beginning to suspect I'm on some sort of blacklist.
Your parcel is being bounced off both coasts. A problem yes, but allow me to joke at your expense.
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DaveC wrote: New Pathfinder set with half height Tudor walls.
I see it now. Archon are trying to outdo WarLock in their own market niche.
I think the Archon product looks better, is better proportioned and are likely a lot cheaper.
That being said WarLock is pre-painted, and the pre-paint quality is reasonably good. So it will always appeal to some.
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Archon copies other companies pretty unsubtly. During their D&L1 KS, they offered dressed animal companions not long after another company KS'ed the same. Their LOAD game copies DOTA or LoL or something (and plagiarized CMON's Rum and Bones). The company formerly known as Prodos almost put out a game called Space Crusaders or something, etc. etc.
That said, the more companies that follow a standard, the more they all benefit. Not hard to see a hobbyist buying both sets!
I took a look at that for curiosity sake.
The tavern set seen in the linked image in my post was $80, not far short of a one set plus stretchgoal pledge. The furnishing sets are $40 at discount.
Not bad pricing but I still would not bite.
Of course buying an incompatible product at this stage would be lunacy, I am too invested in D&L but if I was coming into this fresh and saw this sale I still would have to think twice before buying.
All in all its not a terrible deal as the discount takes the4 edge of the purchase, and WarLock is better value than Dwarven Forge,l but I would still recommend D&L.
The only product that comes close as a competitor for dungeon tiles is Modular Realm, which is a very good alternative at a reasonable price. And is a completely different product incomperable to all the others, it has its own unique strengths and limitations and is an excellent startpoint for someone who wants instant dungeons in a practical way and believes in less is more. I was solely tempted by Modular Realms even after buying D&L as it scratches a different itch for 3d terrain solutions.
Archon copies other companies pretty unsubtly. During their D&L1 KS, they offered dressed animal companions not long after another company KS'ed the same. Their LOAD game copies DOTA or LoL or something (and plagiarized CMON's Rum and Bones). The company formerly known as Prodos almost put out a game called Space Crusaders or something, etc. etc.
That said, the more companies that follow a standard, the more they all benefit. Not hard to see a hobbyist buying both sets!
I dont mind that, copying a good idea is valid in most cases. Animal companions were not a good idea though. Image what they could have done with a two sprue standalone boxset of generic 28mm fantasy miniatures. We see this in part with Woodhaven, but everything is part of the weird KS theme Archon do. Just give us a boxset of basic races and character classes please, I would settle for common monsters, oh wait, they finally did that. I would have settled for furnishings.
Druid Was Right was just a delivery system for a single component, the vending machine.
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I already have the Warlock tavern tiles, and it looks like the Archon stuff has the same slots and thickness to be compatible. Wouldn’t mind adding to my collection if that is the case.
Stormonu wrote: On the Pathfinder-Warlock front … why not both?
I already have the Warlock tavern tiles, and it looks like the Archon stuff has the same slots and thickness to be compatible. Wouldn’t mind adding to my collection if that is the case.
You do you. Buy whatever you like. But compatibility is key. I do, or more accurately soon will mix kits. Namely the DCD caverns mentioned earlier in the thread with D&L, and I will archive that by making my own kitbashed transition tiles for D&L. DCD doesnt have a tile system just irregular cavern walls to link together,
However WarLock is one tile system, and D&L is another, they use different connectors, they certainly do not use the same 'slots' (actually D&L doesnt have slots per se. And are likely also of different size. D&L is not a 1" grid, it has a bit extra to account for wall widths. Height may or may not be similar but at this stage that no longer matters.
Now WarLock furnishings are another matter entirely, and some are very good, but all are far more expensive than other options out there, including D&L, Mantic and Nolzurs. That being said I would like to get hold of a WarLock glowing magic circle set, If I get one I might glue two double D&L tiles together and carve out a hollow to fit the magic circle piece. This is no priority though and the magic circle set is expensive.
I simply do not recommend mixing tile systems. You could have different systems for different purposes. I was tempted to try that with Modular Realms sets as a 'travel' dungeon. A properly invested D&L collection is not exactly portable and while it is rapid there is some set up time. Modular Realms is very fast and a slick solution, you likely wont have a large collection, if you look at it you will see why. But you can take it apart and rebuild on the fly, floors become walls etc.
I will stick with D&L and DCD. I do have multiple
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