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I just began investing in my CSM army, already spent around $300. I am kind of hesitant to invest more if GW is planning on making all new primaris models to replace the old. I don't know about this. Maybe the Primaris marines get their own codex or they just become the New SM/CSM codex and you're forced to buy all new models.
What are your thoughts?

If it is gonna happen, it's gonna be at least a year or two before they get truly replaced. My guess is the Space Marines will suffer the fate of the Empire; still being an autonomous force but no longer in the spotlight as the "good guys" compared to the new hotness that is the Stormcast Eternals.

As for CSM, they're not getting Primarisized. They're just straight up getting bigger models. The Thousand Sons and Plague Marines are noticably bigger than the old ones, but lore-wise are suppose to be the same.

In all honesty, I hope so.

But I hope for 'upgrade' kits and rules that let Primaris Marines use things like the Iconic Land Raider.

Eventually? Yes.

This is like... The thriteenth thread that talks about this. Seriously. There is a search option. Search primaris replace. Take your pick on any of the tons of other threads to read on the subject. This has been talked about to death since before 8th even came out and primaris were just announced.

Yes, they will be phased out.

You will never see a new regular space marine model again unless it's a one off anniversary one.

I made the mistake of investing in Grey Knights before 8th ed. too so you aren't alone.

On one hand, I'm pissed off that they are re-doing everything. I think the fluff is stupid and I wish they had just outright said that they are re-doing the line (keeping the same fluff but in true scale). Now that there are larger Marines on the board, mix/match marine armies look horrendous. I can't even fathom attempting to take both nu marines and regular marines in a single army, such a hodge podge army looks incredibly stupid.

On the other hand, it's completely destroyed my interest in any and all space marine armies outside of HH. I can now officially concentrate on all the xenos armies i never got around to buying.

CSM probably won't be phased out...

All else fails, your Vanilla Marines can just all join Chaos!

They'll probably remove some of their model range and never release another plastic kit again but I imagine regular space marines will have some support for the foreseeable future Especially if sales for them remain consistently good.

Did Grey Knights get phased out or something?

Anyway, probably yes as a 'main' army but they'll keep the rules around for those that want to keep using MKVIII models

CSM probably won't be phased out...

Well, there's an excerpt from the new CSM codex about Fabulous Bill getting hard over the primaris Marines when he saw them fight for the first time. He's taken a bunch of their corpses and now is experimenting on them.

That probably means the entire CSM line up will be all Chaos Primaris.

The only ones really that have no business being primaris are the Thousand Sons since they are stuck in their armour.

Did Grey Knights get phased out or something?

No, but again there will probably be a primaris make-over.

I'm a bit gun-shy after what happened to Warhammer Fantasy. I invested (still invest) a lot of money into Fantasy armies and they destroyed the old world and replaced it with whatever garbage AoS is. I'm not going to make the same mistake again, they've shown their hand this time round and are completely revamping the SM line. I don't want to invest in old models that are not part of Warhammer Fantasy.

I could see it happening POSSIBLY many years in the future if Primaris sales way outsell normal marines.

Eventually, most likely. GW is playing it real safe here though, unlike the way they handled some of the WFB to AoS transitions.

Aside from the ridiculous and ever expanding scale creep, I'd be fine with it if it were just a range update, but the fluff and rules are wacky. Too bad, they're nice models aside from pushing the limits on size of a platoon level infantry game.

I expect the range to keep growing until eventually we see a dedicated primaris codex. When that happens you can expect the traditionally lavish support for the old ones to fall off rapidly. We're not there yet though. Play em if you got em.

Well, there's an excerpt from the new CSM codex about Fabulous Bill getting hard over the primaris Marines when he saw them fight for the first time. He's taken a bunch of their corpses and now is experimenting on them.

I actually wouldn't mind seeing some Fabulous Bill clone troops, given that there's been a precedence that he's made some incredible creations and the best we get is a buffer.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Well, there's an excerpt from the new CSM codex about Fabulous Bill getting hard over the primaris Marines when he saw them fight for the first time. He's taken a bunch of their corpses and now is experimenting on them.

I actually wouldn't mind seeing some Fabulous Bill clone troops, given that there's been a precedence that he's made some incredible creations and the best we get is a buffer.

You could make a great fun little mini- faction with FB and his varied creations, followers and Acolytes - unfrotunately it would be in a expensive codex.

With regard to the OP its likely they will be phased out - and to be honest having updates for both Marine ranges would leave us in a worse situtaiton that we are already are where the majority of codexes, models are aleady marines.

I don't think we will see Astartes phased out, for a few reasons.

1. They're GW's biggest selling range by far. No need to go ditching them at all.

2. They don't need much work doing beyond producing sprues. Their range is complete. Coupled with the above, they're just money in the bank. The only unit I can think of is the Bikers.

3. There's really very few Primaris units at present. You've got three types of infantry, jump troops, some characters, the Dreadnought (is that actually Primaris, or can it accept non-Primaris pilots?) and a single tank. To Primarise the rest of the Space Marine Range would take yonks.

4. The Primaris don't really duplicate any existing Astartes units. Helblasters play a different role to Devastators. Inceptors aren't Assault Marines etc.

Now, that's just going 'as is'. It may well be that we see the standard Tactical Marines Primarised in time - but I don't see it happening any time soon.

They just made codexes for marines, chaos marines and grey Knights. They are safe for as long as 8th edition lasts. That should be at least four years. My hope is that the yearly book will help 8th edition survive for a lot longer.
It should also mean codexes do not need to be updated as often so you will more life out of your codex.
In terms of minis, I would not expect new minis for regular marines any time soon.
With Chaos it looks like GW is making new minis for the big 4 traitor chapters with deathguard this year, emperor's children next year and world eaters in 2019.
You can expect those minis to be slightly larger in scale and to get their own codexes. They may come back to do chaos primaris after that but I think you will be waiting until at least 2020 for that.
To use an example from Aos, tomb kings were cancelled two years ago with the minis no longer for sale, but they are getting updated points this year. So they will be playable at tournaments for at least three years after GW stopped selling the minis.
So to summarise: if you are wanting an army you can play for the next 4 or 5 years, you will be fine with regular marines or Chaos but new releases for these armies may well be at a different scale.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I don't think we will see Astartes phased out, for a few reasons.

1. They're GW's biggest selling range by far. No need to go ditching them at all.

2. They don't need much work doing beyond producing sprues. Their range is complete. Coupled with the above, they're just money in the bank. The only unit I can think of is the Bikers.

3. There's really very few Primaris units at present. You've got three types of infantry, jump troops, some characters, the Dreadnought (is that actually Primaris, or can it accept non-Primaris pilots?) and a single tank. To Primarise the rest of the Space Marine Range would take yonks.

4. The Primaris don't really duplicate any existing Astartes units. Helblasters play a different role to Devastators. Inceptors aren't Assault Marines etc.

Now, that's just going 'as is'. It may well be that we see the standard Tactical Marines Primarised in time - but I don't see it happening any time soon.

This. The roles the current Primaris have been given are totally different from any existing models. At GWs release rate for them if they were to phase out existing Marines it would be like 20 years before every Marine unit was replaced.

Like dude up there that said he was pissed about investing in Grey Knights because they might get phased out. You know there are no Primaris units in the Grey Knight codex at all? Your Grey Knights are safe for another 3-5 years. If they were phasing out regular marines it would be kind of stupid that all the other Marine chapters get Praris units while the best-of-the -best Marines are still all short-arses.

Honestly, at this point phasing out normal marines is a potential so far in the future that I have serious doubts that it's even something GW as decided on.

If the primaris marines sales take over completely, leaving the old marines in the dirt, then yeah. Probably.

If Primaris and normal marines both keep selling models, no. They won't be replaced.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Well, there's an excerpt from the new CSM codex about Fabulous Bill getting hard over the primaris Marines when he saw them fight for the first time. He's taken a bunch of their corpses and now is experimenting on them.

I actually wouldn't mind seeing some Fabulous Bill clone troops, given that there's been a precedence that he's made some incredible creations and the best we get is a buffer.

You could make a great fun little mini- faction with FB and his varied creations, followers and Acolytes - unfrotunately it would be in a expensive codex.

With regard to the OP its likely they will be phased out - and to be honest having updates for both Marine ranges would leave us in a worse situtaiton that we are already are where the majority of codexes, models are aleady marines.

Actually there is somewhat of a precedence, Bile is one of the very few things in CSM that cannot get a legion tactic because he's rejected them all, alongside the Fallen when it comes to such.

I have a somewhat related/unrelated question. When the new traitor codexies come out do you think that vanilla chaos codex can still use new models from other chaos legion codexies?

Example: say in the new DG codex there's new plague marines. Do you think they will be able to be used as allies?

This is truly the topic that just keeps coming back

 Ultima Bahamut 93 wrote:
I have a somewhat related/unrelated question. When the new traitor codexies come out do you think that vanilla chaos codex can still use new models from other chaos legion codexies?

Example: say in the new DG codex there's new plague marines. Do you think they will be able to be used as allies?

Well... Yes. Make your army heretic astartes. Have a detachment of DG and a detachment of whatever legion. Easy enough.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I don't think we will see Astartes phased out, for a few reasons.

1. They're GW's biggest selling range by far. No need to go ditching them at all.

2. They don't need much work doing beyond producing sprues. Their range is complete. Coupled with the above, they're just money in the bank. The only unit I can think of is the Bikers.

3. There's really very few Primaris units at present. You've got three types of infantry, jump troops, some characters, the Dreadnought (is that actually Primaris, or can it accept non-Primaris pilots?) and a single tank. To Primarise the rest of the Space Marine Range would take yonks.

4. The Primaris don't really duplicate any existing Astartes units. Helblasters play a different role to Devastators. Inceptors aren't Assault Marines etc.

Now, that's just going 'as is'. It may well be that we see the standard Tactical Marines Primarised in time - but I don't see it happening any time soon.

That.
I dare to say normal Marines won´t vanish as long 8th edition is the actual one.

It's already happening, Rubrics and Death Guard are nearly the same size as Primaris Marines, Bezerkers, Noise Marines, and CSM are all older boxes, so it's not hard to imagine them getting new minis in the next year or so.

Yes in about 2 years i would guess. Anyone who says otherwise please see Empire in Sod that's what's going to happen to regular space marines.

I'm trying to imagine they manage to totally redo the entire SM line, with every single old unit converted and primarisized, in two years. Seems unlikely to me.

What's more likely is they ran out of things to do with the SM range besides redoing old kits, so don't expect anything new for non primaris in the future.

They really just need to adjust the legs to match with Deathwatch and Rubrics and...there was another one I swear.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
They really just need to adjust the legs to match with Deathwatch and Rubrics and...there was another one I swear.

Yeah honestly a LOT of GW models look infinity better with just the legs adjusted to not look like they need to take a dump.

SilverAlien wrote:
I'm trying to imagine they manage to totally redo the entire SM line, with every single old unit converted and primarisized, in two years. Seems unlikely to me.

What's more likely is they ran out of things to do with the SM range besides redoing old kits, so don't expect anything new for non primaris in the future.

No you misunderstand they are not going to redo it, they are just not going to make anything new for it. New deathwing? Nope new primaris deathwing, new death company? Nope primaris

Well... yeah did you see some of the ideas they had these past few years? They were really scraping the bottom of the barrel (centurions come to mind).

Better they basically just a new space marines 2.0 then try to keep forcing in new units to the already cluttered SM list.

It's good they are going in a new direction, and the primaris origin gives them a lot of freedom. Same with expanding on individual cult legions, gives chaos as a whole a larger toolbox without just adding more clutter (mutiliators).

Yes