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My biggest hope that it might dent the use of smear tactics, and the tories might start to engage on policy.
It may also force a little integrity into proceedings?

It's also a wonderful punch in the mouth for the right wing press, they've been made to look like fools, and their foolishness has had in impact on their perceived power, maybe their influence in the corridors of power may begin to wane?

The best bit is that Corbyn has come out swinging, and shown that he's not to be messed about with and will hold his own. My respect for the man has increased slightly because of that.

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Frostgrave

Will the people the right wing press is aimed at even be aware of Corbyns retaliation or the right wing looking foolish?

There will be plenty of people who'll call him a Czech spy for years, just as some are still adamant he's a terrorist sympathiser.

This smear will cause permanent damage to Labour, and that's almost priceless to the Tories.

For example: May got a dig about Czechs into PMQ's long after it was completely debunked. They've never cared about accuracy, just power.

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Smear campaigns and social media go hand in hand.


Also, this is a question I wanted to ask yesterday.


What, exactly, is the function of a vice chancellor?

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There were smear campaigns before social media. In 1996 the London Evening Standard got a picture of John Prescott at a party, airbrushed out his beer glass and pasted in a bottle of chanpagne.

The irony of the current anti-Corbyn campaign is that in post-WW2 history there have been a lot more toffs gone commie than socialists.

To answer your query about a vice-chancellor, their role is like the chief executive of a big company, to head up the top management board. The chancellor is much more of a ceremonial position.

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wait, there's both a chancellor and vice chancellor? I've never actually heard of a chancellor?

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Every university has a chancellor. Generally someone famous who they think will make them look good. University of Oxford has Barron Patten, previously it was Harold Macmillan. Birmingham City University has Lenny Henry. It’s often someone who is associated with the university, either an alumni or someone who has been a champion of them or their interests. Their role is basically to talk about the university’s and show up at ceremonies, such as graduation, in a silly outfit.

The Arch Chancellor of the unseen university is a joke about how little the chancellor does.

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 Steve steveson wrote:
Every university has a chancellor. Generally someone famous who they think will make them look good. University of Oxford has Barron Patten, previously it was Harold Macmillan. Birmingham City University has Lenny Henry. It’s often someone who is associated with the university, either an alumni or someone who has been a champion of them or their interests. Their role is basically to talk about the university’s and show up at ceremonies, such as graduation, in a silly outfit.

The Arch Chancellor of the unseen university is a joke about how little the chancellor does.


Hey, he is constantly holding lectures in room 3b.

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Somewhere in south-central England.

The EU doesn't think May's away-day plan is going to work.

They would say that, of course, but actually they probably have a point.

It's not clear yet what the new plan is in detail, but it's obvious that it's going to be a pick'n'mix fudge selection designed to prevent the Tory Party from exploding.

In other words, it's exactly the kind of "have your cake and eat it" which is the UK's dream scenario, and the EU is dead set to prevent, and probably relies on a bunch of new technology and infrastructure which will take years to build up.

Ironically, the Tory Party looks like exploding this week anyway, because the Remain wing is gearing up to defeat the government's latest wheeze, and the Labour Party seems to have awoken from its slumber and is lurching forth to do battle.

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 Steve steveson wrote:
Every university has a chancellor. Generally someone famous who they think will make them look good. University of Oxford has Barron Patten, previously it was Harold Macmillan. Birmingham City University has Lenny Henry. It’s often someone who is associated with the university, either an alumni or someone who has been a champion of them or their interests. Their role is basically to talk about the university’s and show up at ceremonies, such as graduation, in a silly outfit.

The Arch Chancellor of the unseen university is a joke about how little the chancellor does.


Patrick Steward in Huddersfield. Damn I had hoped to have him do speech or something when I was there but didn't show in any ceremony I was part of :(


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 Kilkrazy wrote:

In other words, it's exactly the kind of "have your cake and eat it" which is the UK's dream scenario, and the EU is dead set to prevent, and probably relies on a bunch of new technology and infrastructure which will take years to build up.


The amount of self-lies and living-in-a-dreamland attitudes of leavers never stops surprising me.

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I think the main thrust of the discussions was along the lines of: "We know there won't be a deal, but how can we present our proposals so that the UK public will think the failure of the negotation is entirely the EU's fault and thus we stay electable".

It's been the gist of things all along. Davis and Johnson spent a few months using the buzzwords 'creative solutions' (as in "The EU needs to be creative to accomodate us) as if the EU sticking to its principles was in some way 'jolly unfair and don't they know they need us to keep buying wine, fruit & BMWs?'

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Standard bullying tactic. Ask for something totally unreasonable then claim the other party is refusing to negotiate when they point out you are being unreasonable.

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 Riquende wrote:
I think the main thrust of the discussions was along the lines of: "We know there won't be a deal, but how can we present our proposals so that the UK public will think the failure of the negotation is entirely the EU's fault and thus we stay electable".

It's been the gist of things all along. Davis and Johnson spent a few months using the buzzwords 'creative solutions' (as in "The EU needs to be creative to accomodate us) as if the EU sticking to its principles was in some way 'jolly unfair and don't they know they need us to keep buying wine, fruit & BMWs?'


The hard right faction have wanted us to drop out completely for the whole time led by Boris the Clown, David the Dunce, Sneaky Gove and Irritating Duncan Smith. They know May is a weak leader and rather than challenge them she is trying to compromise between the different factions which is leading to the have cake and eat it approach. I think these people are gambling that when it comes to it May will back them because they have the ability to bring the party down (and the Remainers have shown when push comes to shove they generally tend to tow the party line if there is a risk it could bring down the government) and May is terrified more of this than screwing the country over. A stronger leader would just say, "go on do what you want to do, why not just join UKIP. If that brings down the party then it will on your heads!"

I fully expect next weeks announcement will be the same as before. Short on detail and large on aspirations - the "this is what we generally want EU, now tell us how you can achieve it for us. We have the ideas, but don't have the solutions" At which point the EU will just point out that it isn't compatible with any of their other agreements or policies and that why should they clean up the dog poo left behind by the UK.

We've got to the point now that other EU countries are not expecting a reasonable outcome and are preparing for this. Something that would not be taken lightly because of the costs involved. We can point to individual companies moving but only has a local impact. When a whole country effectively puts itself on a hard Wrexit 'war footing' then you know things aren't going well.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/dutch-activate-hard-brexit-plan-blame-lack-clarity-024300832.html

However apparently they have decided what a frictionless border should look like after Wrexit and having visited China....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/43168182

After all if nothing is moving there is no friction....

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Spoiler:







.. laugh or cry.. you decide !

https://www.insidehousing.co.uk/news/government-plans-to-include-desktop-studies-in-official-guidance-for-first-time-54911

... it's almost like we actually have an antigovernment , as if they've come from the alternate mirror/backwards universe or something.


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 reds8n wrote:


Spoiler:







.. laugh or cry.. you decide !

https://www.insidehousing.co.uk/news/government-plans-to-include-desktop-studies-in-official-guidance-for-first-time-54911

... it's almost like we actually have an antigovernment , as if they've come from the alternate mirror/backwards universe or something.



Interesting. Sitting here at my desktop, I consider the aesthetic appeal, and insulating qualities of wax-dipped wood shavings. They're abundant, cheap, waterproof and a lovely natural colour. They'd make a terrific insulator.
I think they'd be fine to be used in that capacity, whilst also providing a handy way to get your BBQ going if you're struggling.
Obviously you'd have to put in a disclaimer about naked flames and wotnot, but i imagine that should be fine.

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 reds8n wrote:


Spoiler:







.. laugh or cry.. you decide !

https://www.insidehousing.co.uk/news/government-plans-to-include-desktop-studies-in-official-guidance-for-first-time-54911

... it's almost like we actually have an antigovernment , as if they've come from the alternate mirror/backwards universe or something.


Well that didn't take long to U-turn on DD's statement about standards...to quote

David Davis said the UK wanted to lead a "global race to the top" in rights and standards not, as some feared, a "competitive race to the bottom".


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43120277



That speech lasted all of 4 days before the u-turn happened...at that rate we'll be in dystopia territory by around next January...


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"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V

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Well in the face getting caught lying with no way to wiggle out Ben Bradley MP surrenders to Jeremy Corbyn's lawyers without even an attempt to deny it in court

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-ben-bradley-tory-mp-apology-spy-tweet-donation-homeless-charity-false-foodbank-labour-a8226661.html?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook

The party said Mr Bradley had agreed to tweet an apology, which will say: “On 19 February 2018 I made a seriously defamatory statement on my Twitter account, ‘Ben Bradley MP (bbradleymp)’, about Jeremy Corbyn, alleging he sold British secrets to communist spies. I have since deleted the defamatory tweet.

“I have agreed to pay an undisclosed substantial sum of money to a charity of his choice, and I will also pay his legal costs.

“I fully accept that my statement was wholly untrue and false. I accept that I caused distress and upset to Jeremy Corbyn by my untrue and false allegations, suggesting he had betrayed his country by collaborating with foreign spies.

“I am very sorry for publishing this untrue and false statement and I have no hesitation in offering my unreserved and unconditional apology to Jeremy Corbyn for the distress I have caused him.”

The row centres on allegations that Mr Corbyn met with former StB agent Jan Sarkocy, whom Mr Corbyn believed to be a diplomat, on several occasions in the 1980s.

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How many times have the Tories and the right wing papers smeared Labour politicians, yet the worst communist spies of the past two generations were all solid establishment -- Philby, Burgess, McLean and so on.

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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Well in the face getting caught lying with no way to wiggle out Ben Bradley MP surrenders to Jeremy Corbyn's lawyers without even an attempt to deny it in court

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-ben-bradley-tory-mp-apology-spy-tweet-donation-homeless-charity-false-foodbank-labour-a8226661.html?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook

The party said Mr Bradley had agreed to tweet an apology, which will say: “On 19 February 2018 I made a seriously defamatory statement on my Twitter account, ‘Ben Bradley MP (bbradleymp)’, about Jeremy Corbyn, alleging he sold British secrets to communist spies. I have since deleted the defamatory tweet.

“I have agreed to pay an undisclosed substantial sum of money to a charity of his choice, and I will also pay his legal costs.

“I fully accept that my statement was wholly untrue and false. I accept that I caused distress and upset to Jeremy Corbyn by my untrue and false allegations, suggesting he had betrayed his country by collaborating with foreign spies.

“I am very sorry for publishing this untrue and false statement and I have no hesitation in offering my unreserved and unconditional apology to Jeremy Corbyn for the distress I have caused him.”

The row centres on allegations that Mr Corbyn met with former StB agent Jan Sarkocy, whom Mr Corbyn believed to be a diplomat, on several occasions in the 1980s.


I very much doubt this story will make the front page of the Telegraph, Sun or The Daily Mail.

It's still great that it's happening, and benefitting a charity too.

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I completely agree.

Papers like the Daily Mail print various kinds of falsehoods on their front page, are forced by legal action to correct themselves, and put the correction in a small box in the bottom corner of page 17.

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I believe the issue is, when it comes to regulation, they wilfully conflate corrections with outright lies. Foot note on page 17 is fine for “we said the accident happened on the M40 junction 9 when in fact it was junction 9A” not for “we totally lies and made that up or didn’t bother to check because we knew the story would probably fall apart under and scrutiny.

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Well well well, it would seem that the Telegraph themselves have some questions to answer when it comes to passing secrets to the Soviet Union

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/unmasked-the-daily-telegraph-reporter-david-pink-floyd-who-spied-for-moscow-gv9mqp0vt

Or what about Theresa May herself? She actually used a spy as a translator in secret meetings!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/21/ukrainian-interpreter-attended-meeting-theresa-may-accused-spying/

Surely she must have "known" he was a spy, I imagine that there could have been payments of all kinds, and she's been secretly working for the Russians*. It would explain rather a lot.
After approximately 30 seconds of Google searching, I have concocted enough of a story to be considered a fully qualified journalist for a right wing paper.






*Disclaimer, so as not to be sued I declare that I'm using my "imagination" to describe posible sequences of events purely for the entertainment of others and to not infer in anyway that any part of this is true. But as they say, there's no smoke without fire, better Czech with Mrs May to be sure.


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 r_squared wrote:
Spoiler:
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Well in the face getting caught lying with no way to wiggle out Ben Bradley MP surrenders to Jeremy Corbyn's lawyers without even an attempt to deny it in court

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-ben-bradley-tory-mp-apology-spy-tweet-donation-homeless-charity-false-foodbank-labour-a8226661.html?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook

The party said Mr Bradley had agreed to tweet an apology, which will say: “On 19 February 2018 I made a seriously defamatory statement on my Twitter account, ‘Ben Bradley MP (bbradleymp)’, about Jeremy Corbyn, alleging he sold British secrets to communist spies. I have since deleted the defamatory tweet.

“I have agreed to pay an undisclosed substantial sum of money to a charity of his choice, and I will also pay his legal costs.

“I fully accept that my statement was wholly untrue and false. I accept that I caused distress and upset to Jeremy Corbyn by my untrue and false allegations, suggesting he had betrayed his country by collaborating with foreign spies.

“I am very sorry for publishing this untrue and false statement and I have no hesitation in offering my unreserved and unconditional apology to Jeremy Corbyn for the distress I have caused him.”

The row centres on allegations that Mr Corbyn met with former StB agent Jan Sarkocy, whom Mr Corbyn believed to be a diplomat, on several occasions in the 1980s.


I very much doubt this story will make the front page of the Telegraph, Sun or The Daily Mail....


Gosh, I'm on form, better get down the betting shop. Not a single suggestion about the story on the front pages of any paper at all. It would have been nice if the Observer could have given it some prominence, with the headline;

Libellous Tory Tosser grovels to Corbyn

Or

Right Wing Papers are full of incompetent bigoted reporters with no interest in professional journalism.

I'll just plaster it all over Facebook instead.

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The Telegraph has been in a weird place for a long time now.


I mean :

Spoiler:








.. and mind that's from their premium section, which you have to cough up ££s to access.


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 reds8n wrote:
The Telegraph has been in a weird place for a long time now.


I mean :

Spoiler:








.. and mind that's from their premium section, which you have to cough up ££s to access.



Its a legitimate question to ask, but , well. I can only assume that the headline is designed to get the outraged to stump up the cash in order to discover a well thought out and reasoned article.



   
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 Mr. Burning wrote:
 reds8n wrote:
The Telegraph has been in a weird place for a long time now.


I mean :

Spoiler:








.. and mind that's from their premium section, which you have to cough up ££s to access.



Its a legitimate question to ask, but , well. I can only assume that the headline is designed to get the outraged to stump up the cash in order to discover a well thought out and reasoned article.





Well straws are actually good for your teeth.


Maybe this is a ploy by big dentist to get us all to pay more for tooth care?

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I'm amused that the Tory attempts to smear Corbyn with espionage scandals have resulted in a popularity boost for Labour. This kind of thing is just likely to make even more former Tory voters realise that May and co. are completely betraying the best interests of the country. They should be working out what they want from Brexit* and taking care of the economy, and instead they're wasting time with a Cold War style Red Scare?

*Well, they should have worked that out a year ago really

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 welshhoppo wrote:
...Well straws are actually good for your teeth....


Granted that's true, not so good for the nostrils of your local Olive ridley sea turtle.

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/08/150817-sea-turtles-olive-ridley-marine-debris-ocean-animals-science/

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r_squared wrote:
 welshhoppo wrote:
...Well straws are actually good for your teeth....


Granted that's true, not so good for the nostrils of your local Olive ridley sea turtle.

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/08/150817-sea-turtles-olive-ridley-marine-debris-ocean-animals-science/


Im always amazed where is see this video posted. This is filmed by a friend of mine. We used to work for the same sea turtle conservation organisation. They've also found a different turtle with a plastic fork embedded in her nostril.

Ketara wrote:The trick is to get a permanent, dishwasher cleanable straw that you can reuse.


Whilst that is preferable (i have some), its not entirely feasible for restaurants/bars. Paper or bamboo straws should work for them though!

   
 
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