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I've been watching the new releases for a while now, and with the start of the Gathering Storm it has become quite obvious that Games Workshops art studios is changing the aesthetic of the game. When you go to the first GS boxset, you see models that quite frankly are a mess of too many details. Then comes Roboute, with that armor, which is very AoS and cartoony. He looks like a Saturday morning cartoon villain. The primaris all look like knockoffs of the space marines from StarCraft, and the new Deathguard look like something straight out of a MOBA.

Does anyone else out there think that this trend will continue into the foreseeable future, as older models get phased out and new ones take their places? Or is this just happening to these few new armies?
   
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Oh, I agree. It's probably a result of the sculptors on hire, but I can't think of much lately which hasn't looked pretty awful to me. AoS is a huge mess (i.e. they have almost nothing I find attractive) and the new Death Guard releases are nothing short of tragic. The caricature nature of the design aesthetic is hugely off-putting.

Marines will likely stay marines, so that's a plus...and with the exception of the Repulsor - the marine releases are fine.
   
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 Elbows wrote:
Oh, I agree. It's probably a result of the sculptors on hire, but I can't think of much lately which hasn't looked pretty awful to me. AoS is a huge mess (i.e. they have almost nothing I find attractive) and the new Death Guard releases are nothing short of tragic. The caricature nature of the design aesthetic is hugely off-putting.

Marines will likely stay marines, so that's a plus...and with the exception of the Repulsor - the marine releases are fine.


I thought the new deathguard looked good, is there something actually wrong with the new deathguard models or is this another case of chaos players never being happy?
   
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 Elbows wrote:
Oh, I agree. It's probably a result of the sculptors on hire, but I can't think of much lately which hasn't looked pretty awful to me. AoS is a huge mess (i.e. they have almost nothing I find attractive) and the new Death Guard releases are nothing short of tragic. The caricature nature of the design aesthetic is hugely off-putting.

Marines will likely stay marines, so that's a plus...and with the exception of the Repulsor - the marine releases are fine.


I thought the new deathguard looked good, is there something actually wrong with the new deathguard models or is this another case of chaos players never being happy?

Comes across more as old farts not able to get over the fact that it's not 1995 anymore.
   
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I agree that the 40K aesthetic has evolved somewhat, but personally I found the old deathguard kits unappealing, they were just short with a bit stomach to my eye. I did however like the forgeworld models. The new kits I like, especially mortarion (not a huge fan of the tank but thats just me). That being said I love the AoS range (fyre slayers a rare miss for me) so maybe I fall within the market theyre targetting with this change.

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yes I hope so.

The old aesthetic was giant melon heads, huge ham fists, and no waists. Space Marines have always looked like gakky toys you get out of a 25 cent vending machine.

The new aesthetic embraces better proportions, and the game as a whole looks much better with Primaris versus traditional Super Deformed Bobblehead Marines.

I pray they redo Imperial Guard.

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There are too many details on some models, I will give you that.

But Primaris are just Space Marines with a more refined design. They have a cleaner design. They are stripping away a lot of the unnecessary details. They have sharp lines, better scaling and are all round better. Old marines are very badly proportioned by comparison. There is no contest.

I don't really see what is so cartoony about Gulliman, though I will grant you that the paint schemes for some armies are technically good but stylistically bad. Death guard are a stand out example of this. Gorgeous models, but too pastel.
   
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 Elbows wrote:
Oh, I agree. It's probably a result of the sculptors on hire

I've seen this going around a lot recently, and it's not true. Utterly false garbage.
Warhammer Community has even had interviews with staff sculptors.
Some of the staff sculptors even post on Facebook (especially on the community-oriented facebook groups, like GBHL)


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 Togusa wrote:
Saturday morning cartoon


This has been the aesthetic for Warhammer 40,000 since 1987. Nothing has really changed except the technical abilities to manufacture larger kits.

Space Marines have always been Future Space Fantasy Knight Hero Men.
Chaos Marines have always been Skeletor With A Boltgun. Abaddon is pretty much a cartoon bad guy.
Sisters wear high heels and have nipple spikes.
Orks have a cockney accent.

It's nothing new, dude. It's always been a cartoon. Nothing wrong with that. It's like Gargoyles or the Spawn cartoon. Dark and interesting but still a fething cartoon with a toy line to match.

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Well I'm mostly talking about the Deathguard here, but from my own view, they look atrocious. Not a single model in that line looks makes me stop and think "Warhammer 40K."

Eldar, Orks, Marines, Etc. They've not changed much, but on the chaos side there seems to be a new "flamboyant' style being implemented.
   
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I don't mind but I'm not a huge fan of Astartes in any form.
AdMech and GSC are the most recent non-SM models I can remember caring about and they looked great. The AdMech walkers especially.


 
   
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 Togusa wrote:
Well I'm mostly talking about the Deathguard here, but from my own view, they look atrocious. Not a single model in that line looks makes me stop and think "Warhammer 40K."

Eldar, Orks, Marines, Etc. They've not changed much, but on the chaos side there seems to be a new "flamboyant' style being implemented.


You're on your own on that one - Death Guard have apparently been selling like hotcakes.



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The Primaris are SIGMARINES IN SPACE. The reivers are the guys from Crysis.

The Death Guard came out of Bioshock (no joke. Poxwalkers are splicers and even the plague marines have some elements of the splicers too).

Roboute Guilliman is trying to be sigmar.

And so forth.

I think it's because GW is starting to hire designers from the video game sector, who obviously bring their own designs and experiences to the game (whether intentionally or not).





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Hell, I'm not that bothered by the Stormraven. Why? Because, as it stands right now, it's "limited use".When it's shoehorned in to the Codex: Space Marines, then yeah. I'll be irked.


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I've been watching the new releases for a while now, and with the start of the Gathering Storm it has become quite obvious that Games Workshops art studios is changing the aesthetic of the game. When you go to the first GS boxset, you see models that quite frankly are a mess of too many details. Then comes Roboute, with that armor, which is very AoS and cartoony. He looks like a Saturday morning cartoon villain. The primaris all look like knockoffs of the space marines from StarCraft, and the new Deathguard look like something straight out of a MOBA.

Does anyone else out there think that this trend will continue into the foreseeable future, as older models get phased out and new ones take their places? Or is this just happening to these few new armies?


Most of what you've stated as "fact" as well as most of the replies will all really come down to personal taste. That said, in many cases it is only the aesthetics of the actual models that has changed. Guilliman and the new deathguard are good examples imo. The "new" DG models all look exactly the way they have always been depicted in the art. It's a matter of the models catching up to the artwork. I don't care for the new paintjobs they've given to the DG (way to "bright" and clean for my taste), but again, the actual physical look is now closer than ever to the way they've depicted them in the 2d artwork.

Bobby G is the same way. They've always depicted Primarchs as having this crazy/complex looking armor with intricate embellishments and details. This is nothing new. I would also very much disagree that he looks like something out of AoS. Most of the AoS stuff tends to have bigger, more rounded edges almost like it was made for a little kid. There are some detailed models and some models that look detailed but are not that detailed when you really study them. There is, imo, nothing I've seen from that range that would look "correct" sitting next to Bobby G.

Most of the Primaris look pretty much exactly like scaled up "regular" marines, so I'm not sure what you're getting at here. With the possible exception of the new Inceptors (with those really silly looking re-entry shields over their helmets), I'm not sure how you get that they look like something from Starcraft. Unless you feel the entire Marine line (which existed well before Starcraft) looke like something from Starcraft?

As for the new DG - again, like I said, they now look in the models the way theyt . have always looked in the fluff.

Regarding some of the other races (like the new Eldar races), their aesthetics do appear to really be changing from their traditional background. I'm not on board yet, but will wait until that range gets more completely shifted before judging it. That said, their "triumvirate" boxed set form 7th DID remind me of something from AoS. Not a fan personally, but to each his own.

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Think the new aesthetic is fantastic. It's just a modern take on the wonkyness that 40k models have always displayed. If you think older 40k has a "cooler" look, you're just fooling yourself. Look at any marine, and really look at him. Those ultra thin thighs, stuck into megaman boots, or beaked helmets... Or anything really. They were just primitive versions of the new style.

 
   
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For Chaos, I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

I'm glad it's gone back to gribbly.

Mutations were largely stripped away in 2nd Ed, in favour of 'baroque and spiky'.

Now there's nowt wrong with baroque and spiky, but the aesthetic we've had since then mostly missed out on the body horror of Chaos corruption. The closest we came between then and now was the sadly defunct Chaos Forsaken for Fantasy, which had loads of cool mutations to exploit (still got most of a box somewhere).

So I welcome the new Deathguard, Tentacles and all

   
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I'm just kinda disappointed that the gribblies went to the DG. The last set of Plague Marines were unique because they looked bloated and shriveled at the same time (as diseased, bloated corpses should). The new one turns them into cthulhu marines. It has it's appeal, but I mourn the loss of the more unique style Plague Marines had.

I think tentacles would have been better for noise marines and they should have saved the rest for generic chaos marines (like the monolithic horns and gnashing teeth out of nowhere).

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Kanluwen wrote:
Hell, I'm not that bothered by the Stormraven. Why? Because, as it stands right now, it's "limited use".When it's shoehorned in to the Codex: Space Marines, then yeah. I'll be irked.


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I can't believe how people call new Warhammer miniatures "cartoony" when Warhammer has always been cartoony.

But I suppose that fans of the "oldhammer" style prefer to call it "Heroic proportions"

And yes, FW Death Guards where more realistic because FW has ALWAYS had a more realistic proportion and approach to Warhammer Aesthetics, bot for Fantasy and W40k. But GW style? It is as cartoony has always has been.

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 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

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Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.

 
   
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And let's not forget.

GW has been going a long old time. When it started, the sculptors and artists all had similar influences, those of their time.

30 years on? Well, the newer members will inevitably have different influences, ones which just weren't there first time around (anime is one that really springs to mind)

   
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he Death Guard came out of Bioshock (no joke. Poxwalkers are splicers and even the plague marines have some elements of the splicers too).


So wait ... the DG that existed something like 15 years before BIO-Shock actually CAME from Bio-shcok!? Mind blown .... lol/jk

In all seriousness, I get what you're saying to a point, but I only see the most vague similarities between Splicers and Poxwalkers. The truth is, both are based on the classic generic zombie template, so there's bound to be similarities. I don't quite see the Plague Marine comparison at all (it's been a while since I played Bioshock though so maybe I'm forgetting something), but you have to remember that a lot of the people you mention (ie. video game designers) all grew up on 40k. You would be shocked how many gaming companies have small in-house 40k leagues. It's inevitable that 40K would influence some of their designs.

It's also inevitable that there would be cross over in the other direction. Like how the original Hormagaunt heads (and several other 'Nid designs) were inspired by Giger. Of course elements of the "Nids themselves would later inspire large portions of the Zerg in Starcraft. It's perfectly natural and it always kind of urks me when people look at this as laziness on the part of the design team. Especially when it's a design like Splicers or Poxwalkers that are both based on a pretty common archetype.

I can't believe how people call new Warhammer miniatures "cartoony" when Warhammer has always been cartoony.


Yeah, if anything, in a lot of cases it's gotten LESS cartoony over time. The original Noise Marines and Goff Rockers say hi!

I think a big part of the problem is that the look and style of the actual models was generally stagnant for a really long time. Then GW dropped the Dark Vengeance set with those crazy Chosen and the Kranon model and almost over-night you started to see a pretty drastic shift in some of the lines. There wasn;t a lot of time to adjust to the new direction some of the lines took and that can be fairly jarring when you look at the contrast between some of the newer versions of older kits.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
For Chaos, I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

I'm glad it's gone back to gribbly.

Mutations were largely stripped away in 2nd Ed, in favour of 'baroque and spiky'.

Now there's nowt wrong with baroque and spiky, but the aesthetic we've had since then mostly missed out on the body horror of Chaos corruption. The closest we came between then and now was the sadly defunct Chaos Forsaken for Fantasy, which had loads of cool mutations to exploit (still got most of a box somewhere).

So I welcome the new Deathguard, Tentacles and all

Absolutely agreed. But there are a lot of Chaos players who don't want their chaos models looking chaosy.

If you don't like the tentacles, then maybe you should have thought about that before betraying the Emperor, mate!

   
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Theres Chaos players that want their Chaos Models to look like Horus Heresy marines. They are licky because they have 4 very nice kits of Horus Heresy armours to do their armies.

For me, the best Chaos Marine Aesthetic is the DG/Dark Vengeance one: Complicated armour and mutated. Thats why they are CHAOS marines and not "Renegade" marines.

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 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

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They all look pretty 40K to me. If you don't like the style that's your prerogative, but they ooze the same ooziness that Death guard have for 25+ years!




...the latest guys are really just a remake of these. The old ones are hardly any less busy.

But taste is subjective and you're not wrong to dislike them, just wrong to say they cannot be liked.

Also the Primaris look nothing like the StarCRaft marines...



Similarities? All 'space power armour dudes' have them. The same as? Nope.

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 Purifier wrote:
Think the new aesthetic is fantastic. It's just a modern take on the wonkyness that 40k models have always displayed. If you think older 40k has a "cooler" look, you're just fooling yourself. Look at any marine, and really look at him. Those ultra thin thighs, stuck into megaman boots, or beaked helmets... Or anything really. They were just primitive versions of the new style.


This, so much this.

The new Death Guard is the best thing GW ever produced. Love it.
   
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I agree on some points and disagree on others.

The DG, I actually kind of love the cartoony style. It reminds me more of 2nd ed classic 40k than any other recent release besides maybe Genestealer Cult (which are the exact spitting image of the old aesthetic and came out amazing) and that's great.

I've liked the admech range with the exception of Kastelans, the Deathwatch range was fine, Harlequins were amazing, Thousand Sons were amazing, really a lot of the new stuff has gone the route of older 2nd ed concept art, all busy details and bold aesthetic without a thought to realism, but without the limitations of old sculpting.

I'll take Death Guard, Admech, Genestealer Cults, and Thousand Sons over the boring, bland low sodium saltine cracker that was the Primaris Marines release every single day. It's just bizarre to me that the Grimdark Super-Srs You Guys club that invaded in 4th-5th ed has set up this strange "fun police" that complains about anything that doesn't adhere to perfectly cookie-cutter hard military practical-ness on the grounds that "it ruins the aesthetic of 40k."

It's like everyone's forgotten that this setting is weird 1980s grimdark fantasy in space. A man in a buzz lightyear space knight costume swinging a lightning sword at a charging space ork with a chainsaw axe is fine, but god forbid a model crack a goofy grin - that would be AGAINST THE AESTHETIC!

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Similarities? All 'space power armor dudes' have them. The same as? Nope.


Perfect example. And again, a lot of people are comparing something that's been around in more or less the same form since roughly 1979 (marine power armor), to something that came out in 1998 (Starcraft) and then saying "it's just a ripoff of Starcraft" or something like that. Perfectly fine to not like the style of one or the other, but a lot of these threads seem to exist to take illogical pot-shots at the GW art department. lol

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 Elbows wrote:
Oh, I agree. It's probably a result of the sculptors on hire, but I can't think of much lately which hasn't looked pretty awful to me. AoS is a huge mess (i.e. they have almost nothing I find attractive) and the new Death Guard releases are nothing short of tragic. The caricature nature of the design aesthetic is hugely off-putting.

Marines will likely stay marines, so that's a plus...and with the exception of the Repulsor - the marine releases are fine.


I thought the new deathguard looked good, is there something actually wrong with the new deathguard models or is this another case of chaos players never being happy?


I'm sure there's nothing wrong with the models - I'm sure they're well cast and they'll assemble nicely. I just think they look like gak. I've seen a handful modeled and painted to an acceptable level to where they don't look like filtered baby gak, but overall the aesthetic is really boring and cartoony.

Dial the aesthetic back about 25% and you might have something attractive and useful. As such it screams "I'm bored and have CGI elements I can click and add...so I'll add all of them". Busy does not equate to attractive in many cases. Obviously the target market/audience likes them, so they'll be a success for GW.
   
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Tycho wrote:
he Death Guard came out of Bioshock (no joke. Poxwalkers are splicers and even the plague marines have some elements of the splicers too).


So wait ... the DG that existed something like 15 years before BIO-Shock actually CAME from Bio-shcok!? Mind blown .... lol/jk

In all seriousness, I get what you're saying to a point, but I only see the most vague similarities between Splicers and Poxwalkers. The truth is, both are based on the classic generic zombie template, so there's bound to be similarities. I don't quite see the Plague Marine comparison at all (it's been a while since I played Bioshock though so maybe I'm forgetting something), but you have to remember that a lot of the people you mention (ie. video game designers) all grew up on 40k. You would be shocked how many gaming companies have small in-house 40k leagues. It's inevitable that 40K would influence some of their designs.

It's also inevitable that there would be cross over in the other direction. Like how the original Hormagaunt heads (and several other 'Nid designs) were inspired by Giger. Of course elements of the "Nids themselves would later inspire large portions of the Zerg in Starcraft. It's perfectly natural and it always kind of urks me when people look at this as laziness on the part of the design team. Especially when it's a design like Splicers or Poxwalkers that are both based on a pretty common archetype.




The DG though I think specifically had a Bioshock influence. Ignoring their similarities to the Big Daddies, a lot of the Plague Marines and Blightlord Terminators have elements that were first popularized by the original Bioshock. THe most notable one is the one Blightlord who looks like he's going all insectoid, which is one of the most notable pieces of unused art for Bioshock. In addition, the mutant tentacles, flesh bloating out of armor/fusing to armor and clothes, and makeshift fixes were all things rather unique to bioshock (still is, to a lesser extent) as generic zombies tend to still go towards the "desiccated rotting corpse" side of things rather than "hideously disfiguring mutations). This also applies to the AoS and End Times nurgle figures too (which is where the actual inspiration came from). The brass-looking piping some of the marines have going on also evokes that steampunk feel.

As for the poxwalkers and the splicers, certain sculpts reminds me of certain splicers. Like the guy in the orange jumpsuit and mask reminding me of Spider Splicers and one guy with really fat hands (from the easy to build ones) reminding me of the "Yamhand" guy (also an unused design). The Rictus grin doesn't help either.

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Kanluwen wrote:
Hell, I'm not that bothered by the Stormraven. Why? Because, as it stands right now, it's "limited use".When it's shoehorned in to the Codex: Space Marines, then yeah. I'll be irked.


When I'm editing alot, you know I have a gakload of homework to (not) do. 
   
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Is that not the entire point though?

Do they aim to please the majority (their target audience), or you?

It's a design process which ultimately produces An Aesthetic.

And when it comes to aesthetics, some will like it, some will love it, some will loathe it. That's just the way of things.

Me? I love the Art Deco look of much of the Heresy stuff. I also think that fits the height of the Imperium. Why? Art Deco also marked the zenith of the British Empire, before the Second World War changed this country for good. What followed of course, once things got back on their feet, was Brutalism....ring any bells?

   
 
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