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- assault cannons/Razorbacks up in points

- intercessors down 2pts each

- inceptors down in points

- whirlwinds down in points

- librarians down in points

- drop pods down 15pts

Source? Or is this a wishlist? Your post is extremely vague.

Everyone wants a source..... faeit.


Tuesday, November 7, 2017
Chapter Approved 2017 Coming in December.... Whats in It.



Chapter Approved 2017 is coming in December according this set. Rules for Adeptus Sororitas and Space Wolves which should lead us to believe that there are no codex updates coming for them soon. You can also see that certain codices are not listed here.... like Dark Angels, Blood Angels, and Chaos Daemons which are now known to be the next 3 codices.


As always with things like this, always use a grain of salt until we get some official information. I'm certain we will start seeing more very very soon. The image above is just from a previous Warhammer Community article, where they gave us some insight into what is coming. You can see that here.
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2017/08/new-matched-play-rules-coming-in-next.html




New early information.........

via sources on Faeit 212
2017 Chapter Approved is coming is Soon-Dec

Rules for Open Play- apoc
Narrative Play- planetstrike, stronghold assault
Matched Play- eternal war, maelstrom of war, and objective markers for each faction
Faction Rules for Adepta Sororitas, Deathwatch, Drukhari, Genestealer Cults, Harlquins, Imperial Knights, Necrons, Orks, Space Wolves, Tau Empire, and Thousand Sons
Scenery Rules, Point Cost changes
Adepta Sororitas
Strategems
1GP Martydom-use when a character dies and on a 2+ can perform an Act of Faith
1GP Purity of Faith- use when an enemy uses psychic powers within 24" on a 4+ negate it.


Warlord Trait
re-roll failed morale tests if within 6" of Warlord

Relic
Blade to replace power sword. Melee S +2 AP-3 D3

Space Wolves
1 GP shooting phase choose 1 unit within 1" of the enemy and use bolt weapons as if they are pistol 2 type.
1 GP set up a unit on the hunt- deploys at the end of any movement phase within 6" of any board edge and more than 9" away from enemy models.

Warlord Trait
Warlord can fight first even if he did not charge

Relic
Sword- melee S+1, AP-4, D1 can re-roll all failed to wound rolls.


Updated Point Values
Space Marines pts per model
Aggressor 21
Chaplain in Terminator Armour 100
Drop Pod 83
Inceptor 25
Intercessor 18
Librarian 88
Librarian in Terminator 120
Razorback 70
Stalker 75
Stormraven 192
Tartaros Terminator 26
Terminator Assault 26
Terminus Ultra 250
Vindicator 125
Whirlwind 70

Wargear
Assault bolter 10
Assault cannon 22
Assault plasma incinerator 17
Auto boltstorm gauntlets 12
Auxiliary grenade launcher 1
Boltstorm gauntlet 22
Centurion assault launchers 3
Force axe 10
Force stave 8
Hurricane bolter 10
Ironclad assault launchers 5
Plasma exterminator 17
Predator autocannon 40
Twin assault cannon 44

Roboute Guilliman 385
Sergeant Chronus 40

Death Guard
Deathshroud Terminators 35
Defiler 140
Lord of Contagion 100
Noxious Blightbringer 58
Plague Marines 17
Plagueburst Crawler 100
Sorcerer Terminator 120
Tallyman 55

Wargear
Blight launcher 10
Force Axe 10
Force Stave 8
Force Sword 8
Helbrute Fist single/pair 40/50
predator autocannon 40

So nothing for admech. Well that's just great.


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Time of madness wrote:



1 GP shooting phase choose 1 unit within 1" of the enemy and use bolt weapons as if they are pistol 2 type.

Could this change a heavy bolter or a bolter weapon with one shot?

No Ynnari?

Seems like each faction will get 2 stratagems, a WT, and a relic?

Reserving comments until we have more info on this. Points adjustment 'leaks' this early before we have CA in hand... seems suspect.

 kastelen wrote:
So nothing for admech. Well that's just great.


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Time of madness wrote:



1 GP shooting phase choose 1 unit within 1" of the enemy and use bolt weapons as if they are pistol 2 type.

Could this change a heavy bolter or a bolter weapon with one shot?

This is obviously not a complete list of the rules content of the book. Note that you don't see anything about drukhari, orks, etc though they were mentioned to get in there.

 kastelen wrote:
So nothing for admech. Well that's just great.


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Time of madness wrote:



1 GP shooting phase choose 1 unit within 1" of the enemy and use bolt weapons as if they are pistol 2 type.

Could this change a heavy bolter or a bolter weapon with one shot?

I'm sure we'll have to see the rule to know what is a bolt weapon for sure... a Grey Hunter with a Bolter and Bolt Pistol has two bolt weapons, so 2 x Pistol 2 ?

Rule that you cant fire a pistol + another weapon would still apply. In effect if you already had a bolt pistol you would be able to use a bolt rifle/bolter as a pistol instead, it being pistol 2 means they are factoring in rapid fire.

WatcherZero wrote:
Rule that you cant fire a pistol + another weapon would still apply. In effect if you already had a bolt pistol you would be able to use a bolt rifle/bolter as a pistol instead, it being pistol 2 means they are factoring in rapid fire.

I suspect you are right... I hope the rule isn't as badly written as the Elysian grenade spam order.

Was interested then learned it was Faeit.. Oof.

Miss Cleo is more reliable than Faeit.

Paul the Octopus is more reliable than Faeit (and yes, I'm aware that Paul is dead...).

We already got the Marines codex, WHY even more point changes (to cheaper even) for Space Marines?

Check it out guys. This rumor is definitely false... and i can prove it.

No Ork unit went up in points.
No Ork Mob Rule Nerf

Therefore... fake news.

 Stormonu wrote:
We already got the Marines codex, WHY even more point changes (to cheaper even) for Space Marines?

Cause thb balance is all wonky there? Don't field guillimann? Screwed. Assault cannon razorbacks too good. Drop pods suck. As it is you want the flyer, guillimann and razorback spam. Rest are basically unlocking razorbacks and camp objectives. Good if gw tries to make other builds competive too


Too bad seeing source likely false

 Stormonu wrote:
We already got the Marines codex, WHY even more point changes (to cheaper even) for Space Marines?

Because the 3-4 weeks between 8th Edition release and the Space Marine (and possibly Death Guard too) Codex release are less than the time it even takes to ship the books from the printers in China to logistic centres around the world, much less actually print it before that, typeset it before even that and playtest it before even that.

Those things were probably finished before anyone even knew what a Primaris is. And as soft cover books like the Index books are done by GW in England with a much shorter turnaround, the Space Marine and Death Guard Codex were most likely finished even before they finished the Index books (even though those were released a few weeks earlier).

Sheesh, already another points update in december? So we have Index: Chaos, then Codex: CSM, then Codex: DG and now a point change to units within both of those?

The lack of internal testing and rushing things out the door is apparent.

 Kirasu wrote:

The lack of internal testing

Well, that's why they outsourced the testing to the ITC people, no? And having the Chapter Approved to adjust things as it goes along was the whole point of that particular publication, no?

Wonderwolf wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:

The lack of internal testing

Well, that's why they outsourced the testing to the ITC people, no? And having the Chapter Approved to adjust things as it goes along was the whole point of that particular publication, no?

They got comments but according to ITC people their role wasn't as huge as people seemed to think. Which isn't surprising seeing 8th ed is hardly balanced at all. So much for "competive suited 40k" people were hoping.

Still. Whole rumour sounds more like bogus anyway.

 Stormonu wrote:
We already got the Marines codex, WHY even more point changes (to cheaper even) for Space Marines?

Because GWs new market strategy is to force you to buy EVERYTHING!

You still need the Indexes in order to play any codex released so far as codexes don't include everything that was in the index as an example.

While I would love this to be true I don't see Deathshroud Terminators dropping 15pts

If GW keep up there current pace of codex releases and these are just a partial list of the faction stratagems it will be interesting to see how quickly they are outdated. If its not a partial stratagem list then SW and Sisters are probably not due until the tail end of 2018 if not later.

 Kirasu wrote:


The lack of internal testing and rushing things out the door is apparent.

GW release books asap: "These are so rushed and lazy copy pastes you suck."

GW release books slowly: "why are releases so slow? My army is worse than Codex armies and I can't play properly you suck."

GW just can't win.

 Kirasu wrote:
Sheesh, already another points update in december? So we have Index: Chaos, then Codex: CSM, then Codex: DG and now a point change to units within both of those?

The lack of internal testing and rushing things out the door is apparent.

Someone clearly doesn't play video games. Regular balance updates are a normal part of the process, it's never going to be perfect the first time around.

If any of this is true I would be very interested to know what "Terrain Rules" are. Current rules suck.

 Sim-Life wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:


The lack of internal testing and rushing things out the door is apparent.

GW release books asap: "These are so rushed and lazy copy pastes you suck."

GW release books slowly: "why are releases so slow? My army is worse than Codex armies and I can't play properly you suck."

GW just can't win.

False dichotomy

This feels a little like wish listing, but if it's true, I'd be quite happy. Specifically the significant points drop for Deathshroud which is severely needed, and the Plague Marines down to 17ppm. But stuff like the blight launcher going down to 10pts instantly makes me think it's all false. But one can dream

 Lance845 wrote:
If any of this is true I would be very interested to know what "Terrain Rules" are. Current rules suck.

Terrain definitely needs an update. Things I'd like to see:

1. Terrain that causes negative movement
2. "Bad Terrain" that causes negative armor save modifiers. IE, your 4+ save is now a 5+ save.
3. Dangerous terrain
4. Falling from tall towers, like in 7th.