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Hopefully Chapter Approved is along the lines of the 2017 AOS Generals Handbooks and actually sorts out some issues:

Hopefully it does not focus on the Codex Blessed but on the neglected factions as has been suggested with basic Chapter Tactics, Artefacts, Strategms etc.

then campaign, scenario stuff.

A full revised pts system would seem tricky since there are many more moving parts and options than in AOS.

We certainly don't want it to be Space Marines Codex mark 2.

Perhaps weasel words to some, but I don’t think the proof of CA’s pudding is going to be in this volume, but the 2nd, which I assume we’ll get in around a years time.

That’ll be when we properly get to see them at least attempting patch balance - tweaking points here, maybe redefining abilities there etc.

Right now, there’s not really enough out for it to make much of a balance difference. Astra Militarum seem to be riding high, but have just had a targeted swipe from the Nerf Bat which dealt with a particularly beardy combo.

Now, when most have their Codex, the playing field will be more level. Right now, Tau, Dark Eldar and Necrons players can complain about their [i]lack[/] of command point options. But until everyone’s got their full suite available, it’s hard to say if a given Codex has truly unfair ones (hypothetical example? Ignore All Morale this turn being 3CP for everyone but Necrons, who get it for 1CP etc. Only hypothetical mind!).

And that’s what CA will need to be addressing in the future.

Doesnt mention the custom vehicles rules there? Despite this already being confirmed.

Points Per Model
Aggressor 21 (-4)
Chaplain in Terminator Armour 100 (-15)
Drop Pod 83 (-10)
Inceptor 25 (-5)
Intercessor 18 (-2)
Librarian 88 (-5)
Librarian in Terminator 120 (-23)
Razorback 70 (+5)
Stalker 75 (-5)
Stormraven 192 (+20)
Tartaros Terminator 26
Terminator Assault 26
Terminus Ultra 250
Vindicator 125 (-10)
Whirlwind 70 (-5)

Wargear
Assault Bolter 10 (-5)
Assault Cannon 22
Assault Plasma Incinerator 17 (-11)

Auto Boltstorm Gauntlets 12 (-6)
Auxiliary Grenade Launcher 1
Boltstorm Gauntlet 22 (-3)
Centurion Assault Launchers 3
Force Axe 10 (-6)
Force Stave 8 (-6)
Hurricane Bolter 10 (+6)
Ironclad Assault Launchers 5
Plasma Exterminator 17 (-11)
Predator Autocannon 40 (-9)
Twin Assault Aannon 44 (+9)

Characters

Roboute Guilliman 385 (+25)
Sergeant Chronus 40 (+5)




Tl;dr: Roby, TwinAssault RB and Stromraven go up in points, Primaris and Terminatorarmour get's cheaper.


Interceptor with Bolter: 45 (was 60)
Interceptor with Plasma 59 (was 86)
Aggressor with Bolter 33 (was 43)
Stormraven with TwinAssaultCannon, two HurricaneBolter, Twin HeavyBolter and StormstrikeMissileLauncher 315 (was 274)

Slashy McTalons wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:


The lack of internal testing and rushing things out the door is apparent.

GW release books asap: "These are so rushed and lazy copy pastes you suck."

GW release books slowly: "why are releases so slow? My army is worse than Codex armies and I can't play properly you suck."

GW just can't win.

False dichotomy

Fallacy Fallacy, at least ADD something to the conversation if you're just going to mention a fallacy instead of acting like you can just argue a fallacy fallacy.

Anyways, people shouldn't be too worried about a Faeit rumor.. They are getting desperate when it comes to rumors since GW is releasing info ahead of time mostly now. At least from the Rumor Tracker anyways.

So some things I picked up from the GW Studio Seminar at Blood and Glory last weekend on this theme. (Direct from the mouth of Pete Foley):

Their current plan/policy is an errata/faq two weeks after book release that is intended to clarify any uncertainty/mistakes, not to rebalance. Then, twice a year, theyr're going to address balance issues gamewide. Chapter approved is one of the methods for this, which implied that there'll be something else happening at another point in the year that isn't chapter approved.

Forge World points values will be changed in chapter approved, implication was that rules wouldn't be changed. Wasnt sure whether this then implied that there might be rules changes to gw rules in chapter approved. My gut feel was no, or at least this wasn't an intended implication, true or not.

Another semi related tidbit i heard second/thirdhand, apparently via the design team, but treat with salt, is that Aetaos'rau'keres is going up to around 1400 points.

Its interesting to see everyone attack this need for regular balance tweaks these days. We saw something similar with PP last year and Wyrd have also been trying to figure out the right amount of errata. I think GW really needs a digital solution to make this all work, but I don't see that in the cards any time soon.

 jamesterjlrb wrote:
So some things I picked up from the GW Studio Seminar at Blood and Glory last weekend on this theme. (Direct from the mouth of Pete Foley):

Their current plan/policy is an errata/faq two weeks after book release that is intended to clarify any uncertainty/mistakes, not to rebalance. Then, twice a year, theyr're going to address balance issues gamewide. Chapter approved is one of the methods for this, which implied that there'll be something else happening at another point in the year that isn't chapter approved.

Forge World points values will be changed in chapter approved, implication was that rules wouldn't be changed. Wasnt sure whether this then implied that there might be rules changes to gw rules in chapter approved. My gut feel was no, or at least this wasn't an intended implication, true or not.

Another semi related tidbit i heard second/thirdhand, apparently via the design team, but treat with salt, is that Aetaos'rau'keres is going up to around 1400 points.

Who is going up to around 1400 points?

 kastelen wrote:
So nothing for admech. Well that's just great.


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Time of madness wrote:



1 GP shooting phase choose 1 unit within 1" of the enemy and use bolt weapons as if they are pistol 2 type.

Could this change a heavy bolter or a bolter weapon with one shot?

Didn't you just get a really, really good Codex??

I am going to giggle/cry when for whatever reason Deathwatch still accidentally ends up paying full price for power fists.

 LunarSol wrote:
I am going to giggle/cry when for whatever reason Deathwatch still accidentally ends up paying full price for power fists.

They're gonna to keep them bad, I am almost willing to bet on it.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say this is probably mostly correct.

It smacks of someone who got a very small amount of time to look at the book and memorized a few things they thought people would be really interested in and then snuck out the back or w/e.

The changes suggested are reasonable and range from something we all expect to 'oh, huh; that's pretty neat actually.'They even have the SoB relic be an almost exact copy of the one from the 6th ed book (which would be MASSIVELY better now and OMG would I love it for that to be real. 61pts for infernus pistol 2+ rerolling alongside a S5 Powersword 2+ rerolling on a 3+4++ character is pretty nice for a backline reroll 1s character.

Obviously it's extra salty until confirmed but at the very least if they ARE fake. it's VERY well thought out fakes.

Process wrote:
Doesnt mention the custom vehicles rules there? Despite this already being confirmed.

Only land raider for loyal/traitor as a trial.

Togusa wrote:

 kastelen wrote:
So nothing for admech. Well that's just great.


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Time of madness wrote:



1 GP shooting phase choose 1 unit within 1" of the enemy and use bolt weapons as if they are pistol 2 type.

Could this change a heavy bolter or a bolter weapon with one shot?

Didn't you just get a really, really good Codex??

No. It's not that great. It's not terrible, but it's not great either. The book produces only a couple very specific army builds that are decent; overall there's quite a lot of missed opportunities.

Aetaos'rau'keres = Lord of Change

 cuda1179 wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
If any of this is true I would be very interested to know what "Terrain Rules" are. Current rules suck.

Terrain definitely needs an update. Things I'd like to see:

1. Terrain that causes negative movement
2. "Bad Terrain" that causes negative armor save modifiers. IE, your 4+ save is now a 5+ save.
3. Dangerous terrain
4. Falling from tall towers, like in 7th.

1.) I'd rather NOT see that. Any time you do that, people just run around terrain, especially if the movement modifier is in any way random. And I don't think it will happen, because then certain units that should be able to move through certain terrains easily would need new rules bolted on after the fact. Most units don't move enough to avoid being bogged in terrain for multiple turns. Rules should encourage the use of more terrain, not the other way around.
2.) How would you justify that? This idea is better served through dangerous terrain
3.) Yes to this idea.
4.) Sure, why not. In fact, destructible terrain would be nice as well.

 MadCowCrazy wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
We already got the Marines codex, WHY even more point changes (to cheaper even) for Space Marines?

Because GWs new market strategy is to force you to buy EVERYTHING!

You still need the Indexes in order to play any codex released so far as codexes don't include everything that was in the index as an example.

This obvious and apparent marketing scheme is why I haven't bought one codex yet and I am using Battlescribe for all my army-building (and Codex for basic reference).

On an unrealted note, the card sets they put out are great value, IMO, and seem less likely to be changed on a whim.

Rhino point drop would be nice, as even with the supposed point changes to razorbacks you are still always better off taking razorbacks over rhinos until they drop rhino points.

72 pts for a T7 bullet shield with a storm bolter is still to high IMO.

 Galas wrote:

Hmm i was thinking closer to

Of all the rumored points changes, the Defiler gets me a tad giddy.

Even if the rumours here are false, I do hope for some points changes...if only for the satisfaction of watching people who spam-list stuff to get a kick in the teeth. I admit, I get a silly joy from that.

 Elbows wrote:
Even if the rumours here are false, I do hope for some points changes...if only for the satisfaction of watching people who spam-list stuff to get a kick in the teeth. I admit, I get a silly joy from that.

GW confirmed updated matched play points back when they officially announced the Chapter Approved book at NoVA.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
If GW keep up there current pace of codex releases and these are just a partial list of the faction stratagems it will be interesting to see how quickly they are outdated. If its not a partial stratagem list then SW and Sisters are probably not due until the tail end of 2018 if not later.

What? That's a silly idea.
Sisters are not due at all. GW just thinks they make a great army to make jokes/troll people with that's all.

 Togusa wrote:

 kastelen wrote:
So nothing for admech. Well that's just great.

Didn't you just get a really, really good Codex??

Our codex contained a handful of buffs and a smaller handful of nerfs and a giant heaping pile of still-useless-options.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
Even if the rumours here are false, I do hope for some points changes...if only for the satisfaction of watching people who spam-list stuff to get a kick in the teeth. I admit, I get a silly joy from that.

GW confirmed updated matched play points back when they officially announced the Chapter Approved book at NoVA.

No, I know that - I just mean if the points here in the thread are wrong/off.

If this info is correct I'll get a considerable amount of new wiggle room in my list. Having all of those points drops seems a bit extreme, but I won't complain.

So Centurion Devastators get indirectly MORE expensive due to the increase in Hurricane Bolters cost?

Thanks, GW, just thanks. As if it isn't hard enough already to make these guys work.

Hopefully they get a bar price decrease that was missed.

If those points values are indeed correct, I will be looking at a net decrease in points of around 30 pts. So who knows what I will be able to do with those points. Maybe some bodies for my Devastators. Not too shabby. Otherwise I am thinking of swapping my second squad of Hellblasters for a squad of Plasma Inceptors now that they are reasonably priced.

I will be very happy if Inceptor and Aggressor Points costs are correct. They are honestly useless as is because they're way too fragile for their Points.

I'm not thrilled with one of GK 's best sources of anti tank becoming more expensive but I guess I'll have to find a way to fit a stormraven in regardless

I'm increasingly considering getting codexes on download now. Shame, because I like a book, but a book and sheets of paper updates coupled with the uncertainty of whether my or my opponent are using the latest rules isn't as desirable.

My personal ideal is to get a download code with the book, either for the full codex, or maybe just have points online and rules in the book. None of which is perfect really.