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There are some situations where something may need a 7+ to hit, like a moving Loota shooting at a Hard to Hit flyer. Is this clarified anywhere?

Well apart from misterm(modifiers don't change required result but your roll which is why rolling 2 on night fight blows up plasma) in that case you don't hit. You need 5+ to hit, you roll 6, apply -2 modifier and end up with 4. 4<5 so miss.

Game badly needs 6 always hits rule.

 Brother SRM wrote:
There are some situations where something may need a 7+ to hit, like a moving Loota shooting at a Hard to Hit flyer. Is this clarified anywhere?

It doesn't need to be clarified because the rules are already crystal clear. You need to make a 7+ on a D6 to hit. How you do it is up to you.

The rules only have a 1 fails rule (so you could have a +75,432 modifier to hit and a 1 will still fail), but nowhere is there a 6 hits rule.

Also, to nitpick ferociously, at no point does anything ever become a "7+" to hit. Outside of one of the Temple Assassins (and maybe another rule I don't remember) that sets the BS to 6+, a models BS is not affected by negative modifiers, the ROLL is affected.

A loota shooting at something that confers a -2 to hit still has BS5+, it's just unfortunate that rolling even a 6 will yield a final result of 4 or less, thus missing.

Hopefully either chapter approved makes a natural 6 hit, or give armies with a large amount of BS5+ models (aka Orkz WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!) some kind of special rule to negate this. Or in a universe where the Manperor of Mankind actually exists, he reveals himself now for the sole purpose of moving the game of Battlemace 40,000,000 to a D12 system so modifiers are half as effective.

tneva82 wrote:
Well apart from misterm(modifiers don't change required result but your roll which is why rolling 2 on night fight blows up plasma) in that case you don't hit. You need 5+ to hit, you roll 6, apply -2 modifier and end up with 4. 4<5 so miss.

Game badly needs 6 always hits rule.

Disagree. I think its fine that a 6 is not always a success.

Nothing should cover 100% immunity. You think 1+ inv save with no 1 to fail rule would be okay?

Opinions on whether the rules should be changed to D12s or 6s should/shouldn't auto hit are off topic for a forum dedicated to discussing how the rules work now. Take them to Proposed Rules guys!

I think a roll of 1 always missing is great. There should never be a guaranteed chance of success. But failure is another thing. It takes a bit to make it so something automatically misses and generally there are way around it. A lot of the -1 to hits work against shooting not melee. Many don't work within 12". It's not like it's impossible to hit them, just hard to hit them where their buffs are stacked.

The auto miss is kind of a gray area imo. Units usually need the help of a psychic power or strategem to get it, which means only one unit in the army can benefit from it. Ork shooting is the obvious exception to this.

Could always do what some other games do, 7+ hits on a six followed by a 4+, 8+ hits on a second 6, anything else and you're completely wasting time.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Brother SRM wrote:
There are some situations where something may need a 7+ to hit, like a moving Loota shooting at a Hard to Hit flyer. Is this clarified anywhere?

It doesn't need to be clarified because the rules are already crystal clear. You need to make a 7+ on a D6 to hit. How you do it is up to you.

The rules only have a 1 fails rule (so you could have a +75,432 modifier to hit and a 1 will still fail), but nowhere is there a 6 hits rule.

Also, to nitpick ferociously, at no point does anything ever become a "7+" to hit. Outside of one of the Temple Assassins (and maybe another rule I don't remember) that sets the BS to 6+, a models BS is not affected by negative modifiers, the ROLL is affected.

A loota shooting at something that confers a -2 to hit still has BS5+, it's just unfortunate that rolling even a 6 will yield a final result of 4 or less, thus missing.

Hopefully either chapter approved makes a natural 6 hit, or give armies with a large amount of BS5+ models (aka Orkz WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!) some kind of special rule to negate this. Or in a universe where the Manperor of Mankind actually exists, he reveals himself now for the sole purpose of moving the game of Battlemace 40,000,000 to a D12 system so modifiers are half as effective.

There may not be any units with a 7+ BS, but there ARE units with a 7+ save. Death Guard Poxwalkers are a good example. In that instance, any roll will auto-fail unless you have a +1 to your save somehow (e.g. cover or a psychic power).

I don't mind that 6's aren't auto-successes. Lootas aren't fantastic shots on a good day. They basically can't hit ANYTHING if their target is in heavy cover, with a stealth field and a psychic haze obscuring their form (etc, etc). This seems fair.

tneva82 wrote:
Well apart from misterm(modifiers don't change required result but your roll which is why rolling 2 on night fight blows up plasma)

i belive you got it wrong,

https://ibb.co/igcTf6


from the Warhammer 40000 Designers Commentary

 jolyas wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Well apart from misterm(modifiers don't change required result but your roll which is why rolling 2 on night fight blows up plasma)

i belive you got it wrong,

https://ibb.co/igcTf6


from the Warhammer 40000 Designers Commentary

He got it right? That FAQ is literally saying you apply modifiers to see if it's a 1 or not.

I too hope that a natural 6 to hit is always a success - I don't like that fact that as an ork player, there are many units in the game that are effectively invulnerable to my army.

 Kap'n Krump wrote:
I too hope that a natural 6 to hit is always a success - I don't like that fact that as an ork player, there are many units in the game that are effectively invulnerable to my army.

Burnaz and things fired by grots help out, though (and it's a good excuse for getting some grot tanks from Forge World)

I disagree that we need a rule for an auto success with a 6. A guardsman should still be able to hit something better than an ork with shooting even if there's a -2 modifier to hit. The suggestion of needing to reroll the 6 and get another number (which would change if it's a 7+, 8+ or higher to hit) seems to be more reasonable. GW would probably say it's "too complex", though (even though they had the to hit rerolls for BS 7+ in previous editions if you rolled a 1 on your initial to hit roll).

I wouldn't be surprised if Orks get a MORE DAKKA rule allowing them to always hit on a 6, or limiting negative to hit modifiers to -1 at most.

The concept of a 7 being a six then a 4+ is something GW have used before and frankly should come back.

chances are low, but then its better than nothing.

especially if you note needing a 7+ to hit disallows all re-rolling failed results

I really cannot fathom why 6's are not auto-hits. Nothing should be 100% immune to being hit. This should be a rule for every army, not just orks. The simple fact is that if someone brings a -2 flier against my ork army, there is literally no way I can hurt them in my TAC lists.

I also don't like the idea of having to roll twice if you need a 7+ to hit. In general I'm against anything that adds more dicerolling to the game. Just make 6's always hit, problem solved.

leopard wrote:The concept of a 7 being a six then a 4+ is something GW have used before and frankly should come back.

chances are low, but then its better than nothing.

especially if you note needing a 7+ to hit disallows all re-rolling failed results

Probably too troublesome for most players to grasp

Or, more seriously, the theme is to restrict and contract, not expand and detail.

Vitali Advenil wrote:I really cannot fathom why 6's are not auto-hits. Nothing should be 100% immune to being hit. This should be a rule for every army, not just orks. The simple fact is that if someone brings a -2 flier against my ork army, there is literally no way I can hurt them in my TAC lists.

I also don't like the idea of having to roll twice if you need a 7+ to hit. In general I'm against anything that adds more dicerolling to the game. Just make 6's always hit, problem solved.

It's a dice game!

M.

 Infantryman wrote:
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It's a dice game!

M.

You can still have too much dicerolling.