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Had me thinking - if GW didn't include shrikes in the new codex because they didn't sell the necessary kits aside from FW conversions (which is now gone too for some reason), why are conscripts added in AM codex? How do you AM players go about differentiating conscripts to guardsmen?

A white stripe on their helmets.
They were originally "White Shields".

They use Guardsman models, so they do* make the kit.

As far as my army is concerned, Conscripts always have their bayonet fixed.

Otherwise, they're equipped the same as guys in the motor-las units, sans any special equipment or sergeants.

* One 10-man box will only get you 8 Conscripts.

M.

 Infantryman wrote:
They use Guardsman models, so they do* make the kit.

As far as my army is concerned, Conscripts always have their bayonet fixed.

Otherwise, they're equipped the same as guys in the motor-las units, sans any special equipment or sergeants.

* One 10-man box will only get you 8 Conscripts.

M.

A 10 man box will get you 10 Conscripts.

Conscripts have the same models as regular guardsman. They are just painted a bit differently in the case of Cadians.

Given that GW has nerfed Conscripts to oblivion, they might as well have just not included them in the codex at all.

those 5 man snap fit boxes are a great place to start conscripts. Plus they dont need as much posing or detail BECAUSE THEY DONT DESERVE THEM =P Also having to paint 90 of them is a special kind of hell.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Infantryman wrote:
They use Guardsman models, so they do* make the kit.

As far as my army is concerned, Conscripts always have their bayonet fixed.

Otherwise, they're equipped the same as guys in the motor-las units, sans any special equipment or sergeants.

* One 10-man box will only get you 8 Conscripts.

M.

A 10 man box will get you 10 Conscripts.

Where are you getting the two extra lasguns? There are only 8 lasguns in a Cadian squad box.

M.

 Infantryman wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Infantryman wrote:
They use Guardsman models, so they do* make the kit.

As far as my army is concerned, Conscripts always have their bayonet fixed.

Otherwise, they're equipped the same as guys in the motor-las units, sans any special equipment or sergeants.

* One 10-man box will only get you 8 Conscripts.

M.

A 10 man box will get you 10 Conscripts.

Where are you getting the two extra lasguns? There are only 8 lasguns in a Cadian squad box.

M.

Maybe that is the real reason why you have to make your Squad Sgt. A Close Combatant. GW does not want to change their kits for AM.

Your question is a very good one, OP, but not for the reason you meant.

Anyways, aside from Cadia and their stripes, Conscripts don't have any official look, so you can portray them in any way you like. You can have them look completely identical to infantry squads, you can do the "white stripe" thing on their helmets, you can use completely different models etc.
Personally, I'm using WW2 Soviet infantry in summer uniforms as Valhallan Conscripts and WW2 Soviet infantry in longcoats as Valhallan infantry.

 Infantryman wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Infantryman wrote:
They use Guardsman models, so they do* make the kit.

As far as my army is concerned, Conscripts always have their bayonet fixed.

Otherwise, they're equipped the same as guys in the motor-las units, sans any special equipment or sergeants.

* One 10-man box will only get you 8 Conscripts.

M.

A 10 man box will get you 10 Conscripts.

Where are you getting the two extra lasguns? There are only 8 lasguns in a Cadian squad box.

M.

I just open an shrink wrapped box of cadians still to be worked on, I count 10 lasgun pairs of arms, 5 pair on each spure, 4 sets. Its the older 20 man boxset, there are plenty of ways to make extra lasgun pairs of arms from HWT and command sets.

 Infantryman wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Infantryman wrote:
They use Guardsman models, so they do* make the kit.

As far as my army is concerned, Conscripts always have their bayonet fixed.

Otherwise, they're equipped the same as guys in the motor-las units, sans any special equipment or sergeants.

* One 10-man box will only get you 8 Conscripts.

M.

A 10 man box will get you 10 Conscripts.

Where are you getting the two extra lasguns? There are only 8 lasguns in a Cadian squad box.

M.

There's actually 12 Lasguns with 10 being able to get assembled at a time. The two "loose" Lasguns can be put on the only set of hands that come attached to the arm and are supposed to couple with the Hand Grenade arm.

I even looked at the sprue literally right next to me and counted four...because I already clipped one.

(And I forgot about the loose one )

I'm going to chuck it up to the jet fuel eroding my brain cells. Yes, that's it, I swear!

M.

It's easy to tell Conscripts apart from guardsmen after Chapter Approved is released.

Conscripts are the models that never leave the model shelf.

I differentiate mine by using Catachan models, or Victoria Models type Penal Squads, and painting their fatigues bright orange. Even if they aren't penal troops with neck-bombs anymore, the models look rag-tag enough to immediately say something different than "Imperial Guard squad 12.345.678".

 Lord Xcapobl wrote:
I differentiate mine by using Catachan models, or Victoria Models type Penal Squads, and painting their fatigues bright orange. Even if they aren't penal troops with neck-bombs anymore, the models look rag-tag enough to immediately say something different than "Imperial Guard squad 12.345.678".

So I remember the name Victoria Miniatures but had not checked them out in a long time...holy HECK, how do these guys get away with what are very clearly 40k-styled figures? Didn't GW put the smackdown on those types in the not too distant past?

M.

 Infantryman wrote:

 Lord Xcapobl wrote:
I differentiate mine by using Catachan models, or Victoria Models type Penal Squads, and painting their fatigues bright orange. Even if they aren't penal troops with neck-bombs anymore, the models look rag-tag enough to immediately say something different than "Imperial Guard squad 12.345.678".

So I remember the name Victoria Miniatures but had not checked them out in a long time...holy HECK, how do these guys get away with what are very clearly 40k-styled figures? Didn't GW put the smackdown on those types in the not too distant past?

M.

Not at all. GW has no claim on Various Real World Armies, even In Space.

They could argue about a specific iteration of shoulder pad for days, but they don't have any claim on the USMC, Vietnam era Rambo stereotypes, British Forces in South Africa, Classic Movie Style Arab Desert Fighters or the Cold Winter Russian Army Cliches.

Awesome.

There's a couple of bitz I'm interested in - recently started hunting around for some backpacks. Their "bush" model is a strong candidate.

M.

 Infantryman wrote:

* One 10-man box will only get you 8 Conscripts.

M.

No. There are five lasguns on the sprue.


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 Big Mac wrote:

I just open an shrink wrapped box of cadians still to be worked on, I count 10 lasgun pairs of arms, 5 pair on each spure, 4 sets. Its the older 20 man boxset, there are plenty of ways to make extra lasgun pairs of arms from HWT and command sets.

Yep and that's still the current sprue.

My conscripts are converted cadians with pig iron gasmask heads, armour removed and filed down, and stripped back lasguns.

They fit in well with my steel legion infantry but look signifocantly scruffier as hive militia/civvies with a lasgun. So yes ive gone to a significant effort to differentiate my conscripts.

As to why they're in the codex after chapter approved and the faqs....no reason really. Theres no reason to take conscripts now at all. Games workshop should have made them "1 squad per 2 infantry squads" but no.

In most cases the 5 man easy biild box is indeed the best source of conscripts

Not run them since 5th edition (not run IG at all since 5th the poor guys). To me the only difference between a conscript and a line infantryman is a rank badge - treating the conscripts as trainees similar to the old "whiteshield" idea.

typically would just see a plain white marking on the base as opposed to the more simply heraldic colours the other squads got.


But then I'd also generally not have more than one unit of them, easily assembled from the plastic cadians of home I have the odd dozen or six

Bobug wrote:
My conscripts are converted cadians with pig iron gasmask heads, armour removed and filed down, and stripped back lasguns.

They fit in well with my steel legion infantry but look signifocantly scruffier as hive militia/civvies with a lasgun. So yes ive gone to a significant effort to differentiate my conscripts.

As to why they're in the codex after chapter approved and the faqs....no reason really. Theres no reason to take conscripts now at all. Games workshop should have made them "1 squad per 2 infantry squads" but no.

In most cases the 5 man easy biild box is indeed the best source of conscripts

Can I see? Sounds a lot like mine!

 Scott-S6 wrote:

No. There are five lasguns on the sprue.

Yea, I know...see above...

M.

 Infantryman wrote:

 Lord Xcapobl wrote:
I differentiate mine by using Catachan models, or Victoria Models type Penal Squads, and painting their fatigues bright orange. Even if they aren't penal troops with neck-bombs anymore, the models look rag-tag enough to immediately say something different than "Imperial Guard squad 12.345.678".

So I remember the name Victoria Miniatures but had not checked them out in a long time...holy HECK, how do these guys get away with what are very clearly 40k-styled figures? Didn't GW put the smackdown on those types in the not too distant past?

M.

The same reason GW couldn't copy right Imperial Guard, Stormtroopers, las guns, hammers, and circles.

Aka those guys could be anything. Heck some like the Van Diem devils and some of the other historical inspired minis could realistically be used to build historical models with a small amount of modification.

Expecting GW to win a lawsuit against Vic for copying guardsmen would be like expecting GW to win a lawsuit against Warlord games for making models of WWII Soviet infantry in greatcoats because they infringe on Valhallns