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Is tzeentch or are his followers gender fluid since he gains power from change?

They don't have a gender in the first place. They're Daemons.

Slaanesh daemons are unique in that they are EVERY gender at once, most likely. The most "genderfluid" you can get are Slaanesh daemons.

But chaos space marines are genetically enhanced men?

Gods and daemons don't have genders. They do not reproduce, so they don't need them.
Tzeentch's mortal followers can be any gender. Chaos space marines are male because all space marines are.

Aye so surely the followers would all be gender fluid to satisfy tzeentch’s need for change?

 Povilov wrote:
Aye so surely the followers would all be gender fluid to satisfy tzeentch’s need for change?

This is a weird question..

But no given that.. Tzeentch could have any number of idea's for people. He could have plans for those followers to be as they are.

Povilov wrote:But chaos space marines are genetically enhanced men?

Chaos Space Marines are, but Tzeentch and his daemons aren't CSM.

Povilov wrote:Aye so surely the followers would all be gender fluid to satisfy tzeentch’s need for change?

If that were true, then they wouldn't even look like CSM, as they'd be constantly changing. Just because a Space Marine dedicates themselves to a Chaos God doesn't mean they become physically corrupted by them instantly. Realistically, I don't really think Space Marines identify as anything beyond "Space Marine". Their gender is ultimately irrelevant to their being, unless they're Slaanesh-devotees, and even then, Slaanesh isn't JUST sex. You could have a superlative musician Space Marine who doesn't care for sex, prefers the perfection and sensory experience of sound.

Of course, that's just headcanon.

Change for the lolz isn't really Tzeentch's motto - change for a purpose is.

But surely he’d receive more power from his followers if they changed gender constantly?

Man, try harder with you troll.

 Povilov wrote:
Is tzeentch or are his followers gender fluid since he gains power from change?

They mean this kind of change.

Tzneench is whatever you want them to be, baby

By definition, daemons of the warp can appear the way they want. Thus, yes, they are the most gender fluid thing possibly imaginable which makes assessing their actual gender pretty pointless. At best, they can exhibit secondary gender characteristics, like masculine voice when they talk, broad shoulders and strong jaws or even tertiary gender characteristics like behaviors commonly stereotypified as typically masculine like war and brawn or feminine like seduction and deceit. As for what Space Marines (and others) do to please their patrons, it can be very varried. There is no universal organised worship and rituals of the Gods of Chaos. If you think that worshiper of Tzeentch should practice extreme body modification on a regular basis to affirm their faith in the Lord of Change, up to and including hteir gender, then so be it. I would think this sort of insane behavior wold please an insane deity.

I think the issue is that gender fluid is a political movement made up of cis het white women and not an actual identity. So Tzeentch is not gender fluid because they do not have the same political ideals.

 John Prins wrote:

 Povilov wrote:
Is tzeentch or are his followers gender fluid since he gains power from change?

They mean this kind of change.

We all could use a little change

and no the followers of tzeench just like tzeenchs whole sthick can do basicly whatever they want. including not being fluid or a solid or a gas. its ether magic or scheming if that includings being generfluid then more power to them.

 lambsandlions wrote:
I think the issue is that gender fluid is a political movement made up of cis het white women and not an actual identity. So Tzeentch is not gender fluid because they do not have the same political ideals.

I don't want to start a debate on this on this thread (so if you disagree or want to talk about it, sent me a PM to let me know), but I'm pretty sure "gender fluidity" is the name given to a psychological condition related to gender identityas the Merriam Webster might imply (but it was coined by a women who is't gender fluid in the mid 90's). I dont think it has anything to do with politics. Unless, of course, you consider being having an "unusual" sexual identity or orientation a political statement. Which ironically, in the case of a cultist who practice body motification to change his sexual identity, would be the case.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gender-fluid

epronovost wrote:

 lambsandlions wrote:
I think the issue is that gender fluid is a political movement made up of cis het white women and not an actual identity. So Tzeentch is not gender fluid because they do not have the same political ideals.

I don't want to start a debate on this on this thread (so if you disagree or want to talk about it, sent me a PM to let me know), but I'm pretty sure "gender fluidity" is the name given to a psychological condition related to gender identityas the Merriam Webster might imply (but it was coined by a women who is't gender fluid in the mid 90's). I dont think it has anything to do with politics. Unless, of course, you consider being having an "unusual" sexual identity or orientation a political statement. Which ironically, in the case of a cultist who practice body motification to change his sexual identity, would be the case.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gender-fluid

No need for a debate because there is nothing to debate about. In identity politics, which is what gender fluid people subscribe to, identity is a political statement. Gender Fluid is a political statement, implying that gender is a social construct rather than a biological one and that one can change ones gender because it is not hardwired into their brain. Unlike trans people, who have gender dysphoria, gender fluid people have no reason to change gender other than to make a statement. Also unlike trans people who can never grow out of their gender dysphoria, gender fluid people will stop being gender fluid when they become bored with it, this usually happens after the woman graduates from college. Gender fluid identity a mask of oppression that cis het white women wear and take off as they please. Women, especially cis het white women, benefit from female privilege which protects them from the violence that trans women face for coming out as trans. It is in this way that women can feel emboldened to pretend they are something other than cis het. In the end the whole gender fluid identity is problematic for actual trans people.

I think this may be exactly what the OP intended to happen.

 Cream Tea wrote:
I think this may be exactly what the OP intended to happen.

Don't worry, I won't press the subject any further. Except to mention that being "gender fluid" as in changing sex once is while might be a mutation that Tzeentch (or any Chaos god) could give to one of their servants. So if you want to make fethed-up Cult leader who manages to avoid detection from the Inquisition by changing constantly of sex, thus apprearence, it's possible.

It looks like Nurgle isn't the only Chaos God capable of making zombies.

http://southpark.cc.com/clips/155590/i-dont-have-change

tzeentch is everything fluid

 EmpNortonII wrote:
It looks like Nurgle isn't the only Chaos God capable of making zombies.

http://southpark.cc.com/clips/155590/i-dont-have-change

Can anyone spare some change?

In answer to the OP; sure, if that's what you want your game to be.

Officially, Thousand Sons Space Marines are mostly empty shells, so gender is irrelevant. Likewise for other Space Marines, they don't seem to have a gender identity other than "Space Marine". But that still leaves other renegade Marines which follow Tzeentch, so there's room for it if you want. Or not, if yu don't want. I don't think it's anything the rules writers will bother with as it's irrelevant to a wargame, but it could be relevant in an RPG.

 Povilov wrote:
Is tzeentch or are his followers gender fluid since he gains power from change?

Yes.
Tzeentch is very fluid on lots of stuff. He is number-of-arms-fluid too.

 lambsandlions wrote:
No need for a debate because there is nothing to debate about. In identity politics, which is what gender fluid people subscribe to, identity is a political statement. Gender Fluid is a political statement, implying that gender is a social construct rather than a biological one and that one can change ones gender because it is not hardwired into their brain. Unlike trans people, who have gender dysphoria, gender fluid people have no reason to change gender other than to make a statement. Also unlike trans people who can never grow out of their gender dysphoria, gender fluid people will stop being gender fluid when they become bored with it, this usually happens after the woman graduates from college. Gender fluid identity a mask of oppression that cis het white women wear and take off as they please. Women, especially cis het white women, benefit from female privilege which protects them from the violence that trans women face for coming out as trans. It is in this way that women can feel emboldened to pretend they are something other than cis het. In the end the whole gender fluid identity is problematic for actual trans people.

You seem to care a lot.

It's a very humanocentric thing to say. What about all the other races with 1, 2 or many physical, behavioural and psychic genders to deal with?

If we take this to the logical conclusion. Wouldn't gender fluid just not be enough. If you get power from change..then..gender is pretty minor. Were taking gender, race, what your made of..how you talk...whether you talk at all, number of mouths you may or may not talk from...the list goes on and on. If your gonna be all "Tzeentch loves him some change", then his followers would be this constantly shifting collection of animal parts, human parts.....stone, metal......gasses....energy. You name it....

I think when were talking CHAOS GOD OF CHANGE...gender is pretty limited.

The only thing in which Tzeentch isn't fluid is… deity-worshipping. You should never worship Nurgle, always Tzeentch. Everything else, including how you are going to worship it/they/him/her/gradouble is subject to change without warning.

 rayphoton wrote:
If we take this to the logical conclusion. Wouldn't gender fluid just not be enough. If you get power from change..then..gender is pretty minor. Were taking gender, race, what your made of..how you talk...whether you talk at all, number of mouths you may or may not talk from...the list goes on and on. If your gonna be all "Tzeentch loves him some change", then his followers would be this constantly shifting collection of animal parts, human parts.....stone, metal......gasses....energy. You name it....

I think when were talking CHAOS GOD OF CHANGE...gender is pretty limited.

I would agree with that. Taken to their furthest logical conclusion, Chaos Gods are fundamentally self destructive. Tzeentch is the kind of God who will kill you by making you make one too many change. Body modification carries and mutations carry a lot of risks.

This reminds me of a thread a while back about if a Daemon Prince could be a Princess. Warp being by their very nature our constantly mutable, especially Tzeentch. Gender would be a meaningless concept to them.

IMHO Tzeentch and HIS followers are not gender fluid because they are not mentally ill

There are some intolerant idiots on this thread.