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Do manga also fit in here? Or should we get a seperate topic for it?

It does I reckon.

gorgon: None have said that specifically, but frankly that's the interpretation I get. They're emhasizing the difference, why do you assume there won't be any?

Just wondering if anyone on Dakka reads Wolf guy: Ookami no monshou.

It's 18+ but a damn good manga so far. (not hentai btw, does have censored sex though).

I read it (You could probably guess by the avatar I've had since I started reading it). It's pretty good. I should really catch up on it.

Melissia wrote:gorgon: None have said that specifically, but frankly that's the interpretation I get. They're emhasizing the difference, why do you assume there won't be any?

I thought I just outlined what was going to be a little different. There are other possibilities between whiny kid and the aforementioned "man-god," right?


In other news, the Cap movie is getting decent reviews on Rotten Tomatoes. Not stellar, but solid and better than most of the other genre films this year.

gorgon wrote:


In other news, the Cap movie is getting decent reviews on Rotten Tomatoes. Not stellar, but solid and better than most of the other genre films this year.

This is good news!

Especially as it is a 'necessary' film to set up next year's AVENGERS movie!

THOR was a lot of fun, I'm hoping this one will be too - a summer romp in the Indiana Jones style, I hope!

OT, so... no good webcomics?

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OT, so... no good webcomics?

If you haven't already, check out Oglaf.
It's very NSFW, but is one of my absolute favourites!

San Diego has kicked off, Bleeding Cool, as ever, has some great coverage, including some great pics of some of the art from the forthcoming titles,

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/07/21/loads-of-high-res-art-from-todays-batman-panel-batman-catwoman-batwoman-and-more/

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/07/21/loads-of-high-res-art-from-todays-dc-new-52-panel-wonder-woman-jli-stormwatch-and-more/

The LoS stuff looks gorgeous, and it seems the WW pants/no pants debate has been settled then.

Paul Cornell describes Demon Knights as The Malificent Seven, shows us the fall of Camelot, in a very messy fashion, as he explores the DC Universe in Medieval times. And the Horsewoman will be Paul Cornell’s Oracle. Oh and in Stormwatch, the superheroes who don’t like superheroes are fighting the moon.

.. yes !

Oh, and for our Marvel Fans : http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/07/21/marvel-announces-villains-for-hire-and-avengers-origins/

Nice, going to have be careful what I look at, each time I see some DC art I'm debating if I should try another comic along with the others I picked.

I'm still confused on how this reboot thing is supposed to work. Some characters are getting an complete overhaul and new origins and whatnot, but other's are just taken right out of the current continuity.
We have a "new" Superman who was never married and is struggling with his Kryptionian herritage, yet Bruce Wayne Batman has his son as Robin and Batman Inc. still happened.

Well, I guess that's the beauty of an altered reality.

It's always been funny to me how the big two confuse their readers in completely different fashions. DC is all about the large-scale, universal reboot that throws everything into a tizzy. Marvel prides itself on continuity, but then that leads to convoluted histories and the occasional mini-reboot within a continuous universe (see Spidey).

Ultimately I think the lesson here is that they need to shake things up now and then to drive sales, but have a narrow band in which to work. So you have reboots and changes that seem major at first but end up being kinda underwhelming when all is said and done.

Edit: And to be fair, some of the changes to Superman are things that were canon at one time...Kents being dead, jumping over buildings instead of flying, Lois and Clark not involved, etc.


Cap reviews are still trending up...72% positive now on RottenTomatoes.

Saw Captain America. It's ok I guess. They did a good job of not making him silly. That was the biggest hurdle with Thor and Cap. These are not characters that easily translate into film but I think they've succeeded on both. For example, Cap's uniform came from the War Bond drive/USO show he was forced to be on where he had to be as American as possible. For whatever reason I didn't enjoy it as much as some of the other Marvel movies. Can't quite put my finger on it but it's probably because Captain America actually doesn't do anything that cool in it.
Also the Howling Commandos are in it but not Fury (in WWII anyway). Like what the hell? They weren't called Nick Fury & The Howling Commandos because of the lack of Nick Furies.

It won't be released in Germany until August 18th.

I wonder how it will do? Do Germans like Captain America? He's quite American and hits Germans in the head with a big saucer a lot.....

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Saw Captain America. It's ok I guess. They did a good job of not making him silly. That was the biggest hurdle with Thor and Cap. These are not characters that easily translate into film but I think they've succeeded on both. For example, Cap's uniform came from the War Bond drive/USO show he was forced to be on where he had to be as American as possible. For whatever reason I didn't enjoy it as much as some of the other Marvel movies. Can't quite put my finger on it but it's probably because Captain America actually doesn't do anything that cool in it.
Also the Howling Commandos are in it but not Fury (in WWII anyway). Like what the hell? They weren't called Nick Fury & The Howling Commandos because of the lack of Nick Furies.

Having Nick Fury be in the Howling Commandos would have been problematic, as it is now 2011/2012 for THE AVENGERS, and Nick ain't anywhere near 90+ years old here!

This is more of an "Ultimates" approach to THE AVENGERS, and that's OK!

I saw it and liked it a lot. I still think THOR was 'better' and 'more fun', but this one sets everything up nicely.

And they do NOT fool around or waste any time in setting up THE AVENGERS, that's for sure!

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KamikazeCanuck wrote:Saw Captain America. It's ok I guess. They did a good job of not making him silly. That was the biggest hurdle with Thor and Cap. These are not characters that easily translate into film but I think they've succeeded on both. For example, Cap's uniform came from the War Bond drive/USO show he was forced to be on where he had to be as American as possible. For whatever reason I didn't enjoy it as much as some of the other Marvel movies. Can't quite put my finger on it but it's probably because Captain America actually doesn't do anything that cool in it.
Also the Howling Commandos are in it but not Fury (in WWII anyway). Like what the hell? They weren't called Nick Fury & The Howling Commandos because of the lack of Nick Furies.

Having Nick Fury be in the Howling Commandos would have been problematic, as it is now 2011/2012 for THE AVENGERS, and Nick ain't anywhere near 90+ years old here!

This is more of an "Ultimates" approach to THE AVENGERS, and that's OK!

I saw it and liked it a lot. I still think THOR was 'better' and 'more fun', but this one sets everything up nicely.

And they do NOT fool around or waste any time in setting up THE AVENGERS, that's for sure!

It's no more of a problem than it currently is. Nick gets juvenate treatments. That's one of the things I don't like about Ultimate Nick Fury: He's a Gulf War veteran. Wow, fought in all 100 hours of that war did ya? Whooptie do. Being a WWII veteran is an integral part of Nick Fury's character, like Vietnam was for Frank Castle.



Agree about Thor. Would have thought it was the other way around going into the summer.

The Ultimates version 'makes more sense' for 'today', especially for the Movie Crowd.

Remember, back when Marvel launched the Avengers in the 60's, you actually could have Nick be his old WWII buddy - but today... not so much!

Marvel's weird Time Sense causes lots of problems in their Mainstream Universe...

It's not a time sense thing. Seriously, Fury gets 40k juvenate treatments. Normal Fury beats Ultimate Fury in coolness even if the later in mother fething Samuel L. Jackson.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:I wonder how it will do? Do Germans like Captain America? He's quite American and hits Germans in the head with a big saucer a lot.....

I'm afraid you're right. What really worries me is, that the lack of interest could lead to the movie not shown in 2D at all.

They VERY cleverly make this about the Red Skull and Hydra.

"Real" Germans aren't in it much at all - in fact...



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KamikazeCanuck wrote:It's not a time sense thing. Seriously, Fury gets 40k juvenate treatments. Normal Fury beats Ultimate Fury in coolness even if the later in mother fething Samuel L. Jackson.

You're mixing up your fictional universes - 'juvenat treatments' don't commonly exist in the 616!

I believe it's a side effect of the "Infinity formula" that he took that has slowed his aging.

And what exactly does something called the "Infinity Formula" do besides slowing down the aging process?

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KamikazeCanuck wrote:I wonder how it will do? Do Germans like Captain America? He's quite American and hits Germans in the head with a big saucer a lot.....

I'm afraid you're right. What really worries me is, that the lack of interest could lead to the movie not shown in 2D at all.

NOOOO! 3D my arch-nemesis! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/368611.page
Seriously, Captain America has a really interesting look to it. Probably something to do with a retro colour pallette. Avoid the muted tones of 3D.


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Alpharius wrote:They VERY cleverly make this about the Red Skull and Hydra.

"Real" Germans aren't in it much at all - in fact...

Spoiler:

The Red Skull kills a bunch of German Higher Ups and is threatening to wipe Berlin off the map as well - he is out to conquer the World, Germany included!

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KamikazeCanuck wrote:It's not a time sense thing. Seriously, Fury gets 40k juvenate treatments. Normal Fury beats Ultimate Fury in coolness even if the later in mother fething Samuel L. Jackson.

You're mixing up your fictional universes - 'juvenat treatments' don't commonly exist in the 616!

They cleverly make this not about Nazis but they're still Germans.

They're not common but Fury has everything. He's been alive and active the entire time. The current Avengers storyline has him working as a spook in the mid 50s with Namor and Sabretooth......fighting Nazis. Damn those guys!


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reds8n wrote: I believe it's a side effect of the "Infinity formula" that he took that has slowed his aging.

If by "side-effect" you mean "exact-desired-effect" then yes.

When you do a movie about Captain America set in WWII, it is kind of hard to avoid the whole "German" thing...

They shouldn't avoid it. It's just funny: Anung must be the biggest (only?) Captain America fan in Germany.

I don't think Marvel Studios/Whomever was counting or huge box office from Germany on this one...

...or any other one!

It's doing ok isn't it? It's number one right now even while going up against the Harry Potter juggernaught. They can count on Anung too!

Alpharius wrote:When you do a movie about Captain America set in WWII, it is kind of hard to avoid the whole "German" thing...

Yeah, but it's okay if you do it in movies. True fact: you can show Nazi symbols in movies and on TV, but not in comics or videogames.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:They shouldn't avoid it. It's just funny: Anung must be the biggest (only?) Captain America fan in Germany.

Me and my brother.

Alpharius wrote:I don't think Marvel Studios/Whomever was counting or huge box office from Germany on this one...

...or any other one!

You do know the movie is only called The First Avenger in Russia, right?

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/07/27/preview-first-four-pages-of-aquaman-1/

..who knew that Aquaman could be cool without a beard !

..http://video.comicbookresources.com/cbrtv/2011/cbr-tv-cci-grant-morrison-on-action-comics-new-x-men-and-much-more/ worth a watch !