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Jon Favreau (Iron Man, Iron Man 2) is on board for writing and Executive Producing duties

So far as I'm aware, that's all we know. Let the speculation commence!

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Its so supposed to launch on Disneys streaming service that is supposed to launch in the next 8-18 months.


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In other words, it's a ploy to get people to pay (and knowing Disney, pay a bundle) for yet another streaming service, instead of just selling to an existing network like Netflix or Hulu.

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 Vulcan wrote:
In other words, it's a ploy to get people to pay (and knowing Disney, pay a bundle) for yet another streaming service, instead of just selling to an existing network like Netflix or Hulu.


Well with the fox deal disney will aquire a large share in hulu.

In addition disney owns like 4 tv networks including abc.

They can put all the fox movies and tv properties into their own streaming service, all the marvel movies, cartoons, tv shows, and i assume the netflix shows since netflix helps produce them but disney still owns them. All the disney movies and kids shows/cartoons. Etc etc...

They have a massive library with which to build a streaming service. To include a live action sw show in their opening salvo is a obvious idea.


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Rather my point. They'll own a big chunk of Hulu, so the obvious move is to boost the value of Hulu by putting their inventory on Hulu.

Only they don't want SOME of the money, they want ALL the money. So instead they'll start their own channel and keep the most 'popular' stuff exclusive to bait people.

Sorry, Disney, that boat sailed after the flop that is TLJ.

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 Vulcan wrote:
Rather my point. They'll own a big chunk of Hulu, so the obvious move is to boost the value of Hulu by putting their inventory on Hulu.

Only they don't want SOME of the money, they want ALL the money. So instead they'll start their own channel and keep the most 'popular' stuff exclusive to bait people.

Sorry, Disney, that boat sailed after the flop that is TLJ.


I think you will find that most people disagree. If/when the disney streaming service launches its probably going to be a huge success.

YOU might not like it. And thats fine. But I can't see Disneys streaming as being anything but a massive increase in profits.


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Not sure any film raking in $1,300,000,000 box office is a flop.

A relative disappointment, perhaps. But not a flop.

Still, compulsory 'I didn't like TLJ/well I did' posts out the way, if we could perhaps speculate as to which era and sorts of tales a live action series might be about?

Me? I'm genuinely hoping Old Republic stuff. Possibly about the founding of the Jedi order. I figure that, budget aside*, a TV series has far more time to tell and explore such tales than a trilogy of movies ever will.

After all, 7.5 hours over three films is nothing compared to 10-19 episodes of what, 45 minutes each? You can tell a far grander tale in terms of interlinking events.

That is a show I'd be hooked on.

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FFG better hope it is set in the Rebellion era of the Galactic Empire so they can squeeze more units and stuff out of it!

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My hope is that after episode 9 they will time jump forward about 500-1000 years in the movies so we can see what ever comes out of whatever kylo/rey end up building now that all their orders are dead.

So a TV series set about half way up to that point could be really interesting. Seeing the galaxy finding it's feet again for reals this time and new orders actually built but still in their infancy but also their founders are dead and we are looking at 3rd 4th generation stuff.

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One of the joys of Star Wars is, much like 40k, there's an awful lot of narrative scope for creative storytelling.

You don't need to follow The Big Boys. You don't even need to follow the previous tales - that can serve perfectly well as a backdrop familiar to the audience, without really interfering with the stories you can or can't tell.

Consider the oft mooted, and very nearly real at one point, series focussing on the scum and villainy. To set the timeline, you need only have a mention somewhere that Boba Fett appears to have met his doom. Right there, that's enough to fix your timeline - without having to drag in Boba himself (who I feel is best off left in the Sarlaac. YMMV of course!)

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Given Kennedy “couldn’t be more excited" is alarm bells, what I'll imagine we'll get is essentially CW-like supershow with sabers and a scooby gang as a live action Rebels replacement

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 Turnip Jedi wrote:
Given Kennedy “couldn’t be more excited" is alarm bells, what I'll imagine we'll get is essentially CW-like supershow with sabers and a scooby gang as a live action Rebels replacement


While the Marvel Netflix shows have gotten a little stale (mostly because its all dark allys and they really need to start branching out more), consider them. If Disney decides to do a tight concise 8-13 episode a season show with an actual over all plot instead of some episodic Agents of Shield garbage then the show could be really good.

And if they are making the show for their streaming service instead of network TV then they are not concerned about filling a certain number of time slots or making sure it all fits comfortably within their time slot (with ad space and danger breaks!) then they can do what amounts to mini-series movies that could be really great.

I am way more excited about a Starwars live action show going to a streaming service then I am with anything going to network TV.


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We'll find out soon enough eh.

Yes, we get it chief, you don't like episodic television. Some of us still do.

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 Yodhrin wrote:
Yes, we get it chief, you don't like episodic television. Some of us still do.


Way to misrepresent something i said in another thread.

Episodic isnt a problem in the right shows with good writing. Older style writing from 20-30 years ago isnt good. And shows that HAVE to be 22 20 minute episodes now have to make the story fit the length instead of the length fit the story. Id rather not have filer episodes and i would rather the episodes story take as long as it needs to to tell its story best. Not be compressed or dragged out to fill a network time slot.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Still, compulsory 'I didn't like TLJ/well I did' posts out the way, if we could perhaps speculate as to which era and sorts of tales a live action series might be about?


Well, I can virtually guarantee the show will feature a ragtag crew based on a crappy-but-still-formidable star ship, and that it will be set during the gap between Ep.6 and Ep.7.

What would I like to see? Anything that isn't directly connected to the core plot of the movies: a crime drama set in the Coruscant underworld, something in Hutt Space where the Hutts are swinging the biggest stick, a story set in some version of the CSA where it is made clear that the CSA is on the opposite side of the galaxy, etc.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Consider the oft mooted, and very nearly real at one point, series focussing on the scum and villainy. To set the timeline, you need only have a mention somewhere that Boba Fett appears to have met his doom. Right there, that's enough to fix your timeline - without having to drag in Boba himself (who I feel is best off left in the Sarlaac. YMMV of course!)


In my opinion that's too specific if you're going for disassociation. Something like "The damn Empire just restricted X!" tells you that it's in the Imperial era without constraining the story to one specific event. Unless there are plans to weave the series into the trilogies, I think vaguery is the way to go.

And, really, the story would be Jabba dying, not Bobba Fett being eaten by the Sarlacc. Boba is just a talented minion, Jabba is the hermaphrodite with the money and power; his death would affect a lot of people.

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I'm not even sure where the crossover point between "What I'd like to see" and "What Disney would realistically make" is, or even the ballpark it's currently playing in.

I love the idea of the CSA, but it might confuse 'casual' audiences. "Who are these 'Espos'? Where are the stormtroopers? Is this even Star Wars?"


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The problem with placing anything between ep6 and 7 is the cast of the movies. The pressure to have even brief cameo's from Luke and co would be huge. Especially if the show has anything to do with the force, the upper levels of the new republic or the formation of the Resistance and First Order. With an animated show like Rebels its not a problem with a decent voice actor. But for live action it would in most cases require recasting the character.
   
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The problem with placing anything between ep6 and 7 is the cast of the movies. The pressure to have even brief cameo's from Luke and co would be huge. Especially if the show has anything to do with the force, the upper levels of the new republic or the formation of the Resistance and First Order. With an animated show like Rebels its not a problem with a decent voice actor. But for live action it would in most cases require recasting the character.


They made do without Peter Cushing.

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 dogma wrote:
GoatboyBeta wrote:
The problem with placing anything between ep6 and 7 is the cast of the movies. The pressure to have even brief cameo's from Luke and co would be huge. Especially if the show has anything to do with the force, the upper levels of the new republic or the formation of the Resistance and First Order. With an animated show like Rebels its not a problem with a decent voice actor. But for live action it would in most cases require recasting the character.


They made do without Peter Cushing.


Tarkin did look great, Leia less so Still I'm not sure even Disney would throw enough money at a show to use that tech.
   
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Which is why the show is likely to be set in a period that Disney has de facto control over: Ep.6 - Ep.7.

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 dogma wrote:
Which is why the show is likely to be set in a period that Disney has de facto control over: Ep.6 - Ep.7.


Disney has actual control over everything SW. The blank space between ep6 and 7 is ripe for exploration. But to repeat my point, a live action show set during that time is going to have trouble with the characters of those movies.
   
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We'll find out soon enough eh.

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 dogma wrote:
Which is why the show is likely to be set in a period that Disney has de facto control over: Ep.6 - Ep.7.


Disney has actual control over everything SW. The blank space between ep6 and 7 is ripe for exploration. But to repeat my point, a live action show set during that time is going to have trouble with the characters of those movies.


Aye. Frankly I think the 6-7 'tween-times period would be better explored by an animated follow up to Rebels, which seemed to be what they were setting up with Sabine's closing monologue anyway. That way they can, as people have said, feature "big" characters where it would make sense with just a competent voice actor, or even get the "proper" actors to reprise their roles without worrying about expensive CGI de-aging.

By contrast, the budget of a modern serialised streaming show is actually adequate to the task of representing the OT-era "used future" aesthetic to a similar level of quality to the OT movies themselves, and since we already pretty much know what all the "big names" were up to during those times they can focus on more niche stories without dealing with fans wanting to know where Leia is or what Luke is up to. If they were feeling ambitious, they could do Revan's story from KotOR, though if they wanted it to have the appropriate impact for folk who don't know that tale already they'd either have to do KotOR first and then skip back and do prequels for subsequent seasons, or else go from the beginning and then pretend that the KotOR one is a whole new series until the big twist.

Although I suppose I'm biased, since OT and KotOR(also Tales of the Jedi from even earlier in the timeline) are my favourite periods and I'd far rather most of Disney's "second tier" projects featured lots more stuff in those periods and left the First Order-era stuff to the "main" films where I can easily avoid it if Ep9 turns out to be gak.

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The historical gap between VI and VII is already being explored in the novels.

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We'll find out soon enough eh.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
The historical gap between VI and VII is already being explored in the novels.


Well yes, I meant between a live action show and an animated show, the latter would be a better option for that. Books share the same advantage as animation in this case, in that you don't have to pay huge sums of money to feature big-name movie actors, nor small fortunes on movie-grade CGI.

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I wonder if pre-Clone Wars stuff might offer greater appeal and narrative freedom?

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
The historical gap between VI and VII is already being explored in the novels.


Aww, so it's not being explored in any medium of consequence. They will be gakcanned. It's a matter of when, not if.

   
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I doubt that...

Some of the books are a bit rubbish (Lords of the Sith is terrible, and doesn’t really serve a purpose), but others help establish the new history, such as the Aftermath trilogy.

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We'll find out soon enough eh.

Aye, and also this isn't the bad old days when Lucas would basically let anyone write anything because he didn't consider it "real" Star Wars - the books are approved by the same story group as the TV shows and the film scripts, there is no EU now, no tiers, if they release it it's canon unless otherwise stated.

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Disney has actual control over everything SW.


It has legal control, but Star Wars is a cultural icon; there are limits to what Disney can get away with. That's part of why The Mouse showed off its necromancy instead of replacing Tarkin with Tarkin's Aid.

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The blank space between ep6 and 7 is ripe for exploration. But to repeat my point, a live action show set during that time is going to have trouble with the characters of those movies.


Only if the writers are terrible.

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