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2018/05/17 05:52:46
Subject: Lando ... er, no wait Boba: A Star Wars Story
I would love to see a Obi wan movie set between ep 3 and ep 4. A western style man with no name on tatooine with a ol ben whos depressed and not carrying a lightsaber but protecting a child luke from distance.
I could not possibly give a single gak about anyone else on your lists movie.
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Both Obi Wan and Bobba Fett have been said about as plausible and there was an unverified claim that Obi is already in preproduction.
My thoughts are... Meh. Would like to see Bobba do a "cook me some eggs!" scene but otherwise I would be more interested in them doing something totally different like Rogue/Wraith squadron or a film like Sink the Bismark but about an Impstar.
100 minutes of Ewan MacGregor doing an impression of Alec Guinness, hanging round Tatooine doing not very much?
Admittedly I was as dismissive of the Han Solo movie and I've changed my mind now, but that would just be crowbarring more plot onto Tatooine for no good reason, and with no pay-off, otherwise you'd think Luke might have mentioned it before.
AndrewGPaul wrote: 100 minutes of Ewan MacGregor doing an impression of Alec Guinness, hanging round Tatooine doing not very much?
Admittedly I was as dismissive of the Han Solo movie and I've changed my mind now, but that would just be crowbarring more plot onto Tatooine for no good reason, and with no pay-off, otherwise you'd think Luke might have mentioned it before.
Well, he's already killed off Maul(properly this time) while he was hiding out there, there's plenty other things that could happen. Maybe Kenobi has to infiltrate Jabba's crime syndicate, or deal with an Imperial operative sent to investigate rumours of a wee kid who can fly speeders just a bit too well for someone their age, etc. That said, while I'd watch them, Kenobi and Fett are probably the "big name" films I'd be least interested in.
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It just gets dull, that they'd be cramming more and more events onto a planet that's supposed to be the back end of nowhere, that's all. It'd have to be something pretty high-stakes for it to be worth making a film involving Obi-Wan, and yet it'll be something that has no repercussions in the wider world.
I mean, Solo will have the same problems, but it can be a smaller scope, and there are some pre-existing events that were only hinted at that this film can expand on, so it's not quite so pointless, to me.
The comics have done some interesting stuff with Obi-wan on Tatooine, he kind of becomes a bit of a vigilante for a bit, protecting Luke from the shadows and trying not to reveal himself. I think there's mileage there. A character piece that sees him conflicted by his need to stay hidden but his desire to do good, and if we can get McGregor back he could certainly pull off that kind of introspective story.
Or if you want something more actiony, throw in a classic Vader 'Jedi trap' to try and lure him out and we could even get another showdown between the two of them which would be interesting to see; we still don't know how/when Obi-wan finds out Vader was formerly Anakin and I imagine that could be a rather powerful moment to put to film. In fact, I think you could build a whole film around that. I think I posted it a while ago (possibly the last time the rumours of a Kenobi movie came up); you have him hear rumours of a terrifying new Sith Lord and Imperial thug that he is compelled to go and track down, only realising in the final moments that it is his former apprentice.
I'd be up for a Lando movie, from the Solo trailers they seem to have cast him very well and he's a very watchable character. The only question is whether it just ends up another heist movie and just ends up copying Solo, or whether they can find him something different to be doing.
I'd say Solo looks like an action heist movie, while Lando could bea more sneaky, con artist affair. I know I've called Solo "Ocean's Eleven in Star Wars", but a Lando movie would be closer to that mark, I think. Or Catch Me If You Can.
There's a major plot hole around with Luke being 'cunningly' 'hidden' with his aunt and uncle and Darth Vader never looking there.
Now of course Vader didn't know he had a son, he was told he'd killed his wife and kids, but Palpatine knew. And surely he'd either want to check and/or erase Vader's past.
There's also the weakness (well 'a' weakness) in the prequels that the Jedi are supposed to be decadent and corrupt but we never really see it. So Obi Wan coming to terms with that could be included as a way to add some significance.
AndrewGPaul wrote: It just gets dull, that they'd be cramming more and more events onto a planet that's supposed to be the back end of nowhere, that's all. It'd have to be something pretty high-stakes for it to be worth making a film involving Obi-Wan, and yet it'll be something that has no repercussions in the wider world.
I mean, Solo will have the same problems, but it can be a smaller scope, and there are some pre-existing events that were only hinted at that this film can expand on, so it's not quite so pointless, to me.
Or low stakes. The best westerns are almost personal the stakes are so low. I would much rather have Obi dealing with low stakes personal crap like Logan than big bombastic gak like X-Men 3.
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If Spielberg directed it Raiders style it could be awesome...
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Kid_Kyoto wrote: There's a major plot hole around with Luke being 'cunningly' 'hidden' with his aunt and uncle and Darth Vader never looking there.
Now of course Vader didn't know he had a son, he was told he'd killed his wife and kids, but Palpatine knew. And surely he'd either want to check and/or erase Vader's past.
There's also the weakness (well 'a' weakness) in the prequels that the Jedi are supposed to be decadent and corrupt but we never really see it. So Obi Wan coming to terms with that could be included as a way to add some significance.
So there's a plot right there.
Well, we do see it, but only really in the Clone Wars cartoon. They do a lot of fairly shady crap despite pretending they still have the moral high ground(aha). Even then though the simple fact that the Jedi choose to A: accept that they, as peacekeepers and defenders of democracy *as a principle* should be getting militarily involved in a war of secession, and B: use sentient, living slaves as canon fodder under their command in said war are pretty strong indicators of the underlying issues with the Order.
AndrewGPaul wrote: It just gets dull, that they'd be cramming more and more events onto a planet that's supposed to be the back end of nowhere, that's all. It'd have to be something pretty high-stakes for it to be worth making a film involving Obi-Wan, and yet it'll be something that has no repercussions in the wider world.
I mean, Solo will have the same problems, but it can be a smaller scope, and there are some pre-existing events that were only hinted at that this film can expand on, so it's not quite so pointless, to me.
Or low stakes. The best westerns are almost personal the stakes are so low. I would much rather have Obi dealing with low stakes personal crap like Logan than big bombastic gak like X-Men 3.
Agreed. Obi Wan struggling to reconcile his chosen duty to protect Luke with his Jedi principles on a planet filled with corruption, vice, and the victimisation of the innocent, while also coming to terms with the failure of the Jedi Order could be interesting. I could also see him investigating rumours of the Inquisitorius operating in the Outer Rim to see if there's any danger to Luke, and that being a "way in" for him to discover Vader is actually Anakin - you wouldn't even have to have them actually meet, just close enough to "sense" him and realise who's under the armour.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: I think I'm more interested in Situations than specific characters when it comes to Star Wars Stories.
Show me new things. With new people. Weave it into the existing tapestry by all means, but let me come into it not really knowing what to expect.
But also, really, this. For my money the "main character" in any fiction that isn't just a one & done affair is the setting itself. So long as they stay true to the "used future space fantasy" core and keep the deconstructionist misery-mongering to occasional asides rather than going full edgelord about it, what I'd most like to see are new places, groups, peoples, and whatever character and plot framing best allow them to be explored.
Frankly, if I were in charge, the first thing I would do is hire on half a dozen people and just have them churn out as much pure-imagination concept artwork, Mcquarrie style, as they could manage in a year, then have writers and directors come in, browse that catalogue and pitch ways to bring the ones they like to life.
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The trick I think Marvel has pulled off is to think of a genre, and then fit a character into it.
For example, Obi-wan as Western is a good idea. Bobba Fett as Revenge flick could be cool. Rogue Squadron as fighter pilot film is ace. Chewbacca and Wickett in a buddy cop adventure/comedy is golden. Yoda in " a "The Most Dangerous Game" style of movie is fine.
You get the idea. Any other way of approaching it is not going to be good.
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He was actually mentioned in the newer novels.. After the whole debacle he basically was exiled from his city, he's basically a pariah and he works to cheer up refugee children on Naboo.
ZebioLizard2 wrote: He was actually mentioned in the newer novels.. After the whole debacle he basically was exiled from his city, he's basically a pariah and he works to cheer up refugee children on Naboo.
Exiled to a life as a street clown begging for scraps off refugees - almost a sufficient punishment for the bumbling moron who enabled the creation of the Empire.
"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, lets blame the people with no power and no money and those immigrants who don't even have the vote. Yea, it must be their fething fault." - Iain M Banks
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Bobba Fett is a storm trooper in cool armor. The only time we see him do anything in a movie its get taken out by a blind guy, fly directly into the side of a ship., and fall into a butt hole in the sand.
I have no interest what so ever watching a movie retcon his goofiness into some supposed bad ass.
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I wouldn't mind seeing a short film in which the Fett gets out of the sarlacc pit, retires from bounty hunting and opens up an all-you-can-eat bar named "Bo Buffet"
JK
But in all seriousness, the opportunity to do a western style "lone samurai" adventure movie with Obi-wan is just too perfect and needs to happen. Ewan McGregor is one of the best parts of the prequels and has stated he would be up for this role. It might even be a good excuse to put a Boba Fett cameo in since we know he works for Jabba, who lives on Tatooine. Boba and Obi-wan haven't really interacted together aside from a bit in ep2. It would be cool so see them interact a bit.
But I would probably avoid having Obi-wan reveal he is a Jedi, not only to keep the western theme, but as Boba has an obvious grudge against Jedi and would not rest knowing Obi-wan was alive.
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Lance845 wrote: Bobba Fett is a storm trooper in cool armor. The only time we see him do anything in a movie its get taken out by a blind guy, fly directly into the side of a ship., and fall into a butt hole in the sand.
I have no interest what so ever watching a movie retcon his goofiness into some supposed bad ass.
I just want to know why Vader single him out when specifying "No Disintigrations." And why Boba was completely blase about being singled out.
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Lance845 wrote: Bobba Fett is a storm trooper in cool armor. The only time we see him do anything in a movie its get taken out by a blind guy, fly directly into the side of a ship., and fall into a butt hole in the sand.
I have no interest what so ever watching a movie retcon his goofiness into some supposed bad ass.
I just want to know why Vader single him out when specifying "No Disintigrations." And why Boba was completely blase about being singled out.
Because clearly hes a feth up who brought vader a pile of dust once and hes blase about it because he knows hes gak.
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Lance845 wrote: Bobba Fett is a storm trooper in cool armor. The only time we see him do anything in a movie its get taken out by a blind guy, fly directly into the side of a ship., and fall into a butt hole in the sand.
I have no interest what so ever watching a movie retcon his goofiness into some supposed bad ass.
I just want to know why Vader single him out when specifying "No Disintigrations." And why Boba was completely blase about being singled out.
Because clearly hes a feth up who brought vader a pile of dust once and hes blase about it because he knows hes gak.
It's what we could easily infer from the evidence we have in the movies. Its only in the EU that Fett did anything of value.
Vader handed him Han Solo so it's not like we saw him catch him. And the one time Fett has to actually get anything done he falls all over himself.
At least when Phasma gets into a fight she doesn't immediately fly into a wall before taking a single shot. They are both crap people in cool looking armor but at this point Fett has a worse track record.
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BobtheInquisitor wrote: BOBA Fett, for the love of God! BOBA, like the tapioca balls you put in milk tea. Bobba is what you put milk in to feed a baby.
Hey I cant spell real things let alone fantasy ones!
Never heard of putting tapioca in tea before, that's just odd.