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 Lobukia wrote:
To tell the truth, I hope they do remove small marines in 9E+. Then I can field all my current marines as "counts as" Primarus

Yeah, seriously doubt that GW will officially state "lol, you can't use any of your old, smaller Marines from now on, they are now illegal, go buy Primaris", rather than "you can still use your old models!". Sure some tournament organizers might make a stink because true LoS and all that, but shouldn't be a problem in any friendly games and most tournaments.

That and I'd be genuinely surprised if they ditch the current Marines...

 gorgon wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 davou wrote:
Q: what happened to mark 9 armor

A: LOLWUT, its a space myssssterrrrryyyyyy

I thought all copies were issued to Legions 2 and 11.

During the Rangdan Xenocides, no less.

Clearly they took them to go fight the Malal worshiping Squats.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That and I'd be genuinely surprised if they ditch the current Marines...

Really????

At this point I think it is pretty much a given. I can't see them keeping two range of marines(one slightly bigger than the other) for a lot of time

I do feel a bit better about the Primaris Marines now. I guess I could be patient and give GW the chance (I'm still calling them Adeptus Restartes, though ). I mean, they have managed to turn AoS into a decent setting.

So if existing Marines can be upgraded and the creation process is being shared out, will there be Primaris versions of the existing squad types? Or will all post upgrade Astartes be reorganized into the new Primaris squads?

 streetsamurai wrote:
At this point I think it is pretty much a given. I can't see them keeping two range of marines(one slightly bigger than the other) for a lot of time

The current scale and armour marks could find a home in the HH and any other "historical" 40k settings that GW decide to do. But I'd imagine your right about the kits as they currently are getting gradually phased out.

 Leth wrote:
I am guessing that the Vehicle Keyword will have something special in regards to combats. For some reason I remember reading that vehicles can leave combat without penalty at some point, will try and see if I can find it.

Pretty sure they specifically mentioned a tank not being able to shoot if they withdrew in the Q&A

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That and I'd be genuinely surprised if they ditch the current Marines...

Really????

At this point I think it is pretty much a given. I can't see them keeping two range of marines(one slightly bigger than the other) for a lot of time

Or they just give them about as much stuff the custodies has and call it a day.

they would have to replace pretty much EVERYTHING Marine and thats quite a big investment

so much so that if they were willing to go full adeptus restartes then it would be a very very very long process.

at the least untill the newest marine injection molds started to go bad which is going to take a while.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
So if existing Marines can be upgraded and the creation process is being shared out, will there be Primaris versions of the existing squad types? Or will all post upgrade Astartes be reorganized into the new Primaris squads?

good chance that girlyman is going to rewrite the codex. and the new elite of elite will probably work a lot more like 30k marines since that is what he was used to. (maybe)

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That and I'd be genuinely surprised if they ditch the current Marines...

Really????

At this point I think it is pretty much a given. I can't see them keeping two range of marines(one slightly bigger than the other) for a lot of time

Because a good percent of the cost of marines has already been spent. Everything else is gravy at this point, there is no reason to discontinue a plastic line until it is no longer profitable(See tomb kings). In addition there is still going to be a high demand for marines, it is just now you have OPTIONS and variety. You think everyone new is going to go straight to Primus? Nope and I believe that 8th provides the opportunity for the hobby to grow by leaps and bounds

Anything else they develop is going to cost much more than using the same casting moulds.

I am really looking forward to using Power Fists again. Pedro Kantor has one, one of my Captain has one, and I am probably going to stick one on some of my Assault Sergeants. A -1 to hit isn't the end of the world, certainly a lot better than striking last(if I get to strike at all). My Crimson Fists, Blood Angels, and Deathwatch will all be happy. Heavy Thunder Hammers!

Death Company Primaris...

*drools*

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That and I'd be genuinely surprised if they ditch the current Marines...

Really????

At this point I think it is pretty much a given. I can't see them keeping two range of marines(one slightly bigger than the other) for a lot of time

Moulds are cut. The range is cohesive and complete. Primaris Maureens are an addition to the current range. Not a competitor. Not a replacement. Just new. Something to get even those who consider their Astartes army complete spending on the shinynew (compare to yet another Tactical Squad recut).

GoatboyBeta wrote:
So if existing Marines can be upgraded and the creation process is being shared out, will there be Primaris versions of the existing squad types? Or will all post upgrade Astartes be reorganized into the new Primaris squads?

Yeah, that's the weird bit. The stated rationale for Primaris squads being limited to single weapon type was that they were not so widely trained as old marines, but if old marines can be turned into Primaris, that rationale no longer applies...

I'm a little worried about how killy TH/SS Terminators just became.

Any thoughts on how they may moderate this suddenly much more powerful unit?

edit: Killier than they already were.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I am really looking forward to using Power Fists again. Pedro Kantor has one, one of my Captain has one, and I am probably going to stick one on some of my Assault Sergeants. A -1 to hit isn't the end of the world, certainly a lot better than striking last(if I get to strike at all). My Crimson Fists, Blood Angels, and Deathwatch will all be happy. Heavy Thunder Hammers!

I've got a bunch of metal IG characters with power fists, and now they seem like less of a cruel joke.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I am really looking forward to using Power Fists again. Pedro Kantor has one, one of my Captain has one, and I am probably going to stick one on some of my Assault Sergeants. A -1 to hit isn't the end of the world, certainly a lot better than striking last(if I get to strike at all). My Crimson Fists, Blood Angels, and Deathwatch will all be happy. Heavy Thunder Hammers!

me too i'v muddled through 2+ editions keeping the faith, literally all my chaos asp champs have power fists.. hidden and don't fight last! their day has come at last!

You will note his answer to drop pods seems to indicate any time you come in from a tactical reserve you have to be at least 9" away from an opponent. As he goes ahead and even states coming out of a drop pod will put you 9" away.

That would be consistent with all reserve deployments in AoS.

 Crimson wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
So if existing Marines can be upgraded and the creation process is being shared out, will there be Primaris versions of the existing squad types? Or will all post upgrade Astartes be reorganized into the new Primaris squads?

Yeah, that's the weird bit. The stated rationale for Primaris squads being limited to single weapon type was that they were not so widely trained as old marines, but if old marines can be turned into Primaris, that rationale no longer applies...

I see it more as a way to reconcile ire about the "replacement" of old marines.

If you want to run a Primaris only chapter, you ruun their rules and squad arrangements.

If you want your old chapter by and large, you say they got their shots so they're not invalidated, but run them as they were.

 Nah Man Pichu wrote:
I'm a little worried about how killy TH/SS Terminators just became.

Any thoughts on how they may moderate this suddenly much more powerful unit?

edit: Killier than they already were.

Do we know if Storm Shields (or even invuls) do what they did previously? They might go back to reasonable, like only doing something in melee.

 Nah Man Pichu wrote:
I'm a little worried about how killy TH/SS Terminators just became.

Any thoughts on how they may moderate this suddenly much more powerful unit?

edit: Killier than they already were.

-1 WS for using Thunderhammers, and only 2 attacks with no bonus for charging. Oh, and they're M5. The only thing that got better is that they don't go "last" and have an extra wound.

Possible points bump is possible I guess.

 Crimson wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
So if existing Marines can be upgraded and the creation process is being shared out, will there be Primaris versions of the existing squad types? Or will all post upgrade Astartes be reorganized into the new Primaris squads?

Yeah, that's the weird bit. The stated rationale for Primaris squads being limited to single weapon type was that they were not so widely trained as old marines, but if old marines can be turned into Primaris, that rationale no longer applies...

Probably the upgrade process of old marines will be something "expensive" and that can't be donne in mase, so it will be reserved for special characters, etc...

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Mortarion hint dropped!

"Any Primarchs returning?"
"Well... there might be a cowled one on the way soon..."

Or, you know, the Lion. The dude who's legion all wear hoodies? I'm sure when he wakes up they'll hand him an STC Hoodlum-pattern Hoodie.

Youn wrote:
You will note his answer to drop pods seems to indicate any time you come in from a tactical reserve you have to be at least 9" away from an opponent. As he goes ahead and even states coming out of a drop pod will put you 9" away.

That would be consistent with all reserve deployments in AoS.

for those who missed he also said all drop pod armies in matched play will not all allowed to be in reserve! so i'm guessing ye gonna have to deploy some open as weird as that will seem... guessing all drop pod armies are a thing of the past

Maybe during deployment drop pods not in reserve will be allowed to setup outside of the normal deployment zone? Seems like that would be fluffy without allowing null-deploy. The initial drop pod landings just happened right before the first turn of the game.

 Kriswall wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Mortarion hint dropped!

"Any Primarchs returning?"
"Well... there might be a cowled one on the way soon..."

Or, you know, the Lion. The dude who's legion all wear hoodies? I'm sure when he wakes up they'll hand him an STC Hoodlum-pattern Hoodie.

Hoping against hope!

Hooded hint in the Q/A!!!

Picture of a lion on the community site!

It seems almost cruel at this point.

 Kriswall wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Mortarion hint dropped!

"Any Primarchs returning?"
"Well... there might be a cowled one on the way soon..."

Or, you know, the Lion. The dude who's legion all wear hoodies? I'm sure when he wakes up they'll hand him an STC Hoodlum-pattern Hoodie.

We pretty much know Mortarion is coming anyway (his scythe is seen in the Death Guard video and there was a leaked image that the scythe matched up with).

 Desubot wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That and I'd be genuinely surprised if they ditch the current Marines...

Really????

At this point I think it is pretty much a given. I can't see them keeping two range of marines(one slightly bigger than the other) for a lot of time

Or they just give them about as much stuff the custodies has and call it a day.

they would have to replace pretty much EVERYTHING Marine and thats quite a big investment

so much so that if they were willing to go full adeptus restartes then it would be a very very very long process.

at the least untill the newest marine injection molds started to go bad which is going to take a while.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
So if existing Marines can be upgraded and the creation process is being shared out, will there be Primaris versions of the existing squad types? Or will all post upgrade Astartes be reorganized into the new Primaris squads?

good chance that girlyman is going to rewrite the codex. and the new elite of elite will probably work a lot more like 30k marines since that is what he was used to. (maybe)

I think you are missing the point that a lot of us see this as a reboot. They have no need to replace everything from astartes to primaris in exact form and function. They are resetting space marines to take them in a different direction. Which means they are not 1 to 1'ing every old unit to a new scale.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Nah Man Pichu wrote:
I'm a little worried about how killy TH/SS Terminators just became.

Any thoughts on how they may moderate this suddenly much more powerful unit?

edit: Killier than they already were.

-1 WS for using Thunderhammers, and only 2 attacks with no bonus for charging. Oh, and they're M5. The only thing that got better is that they don't go "last" and have an extra wound.

Possible points bump is possible I guess.

dunno about a points bump then again we dont know anything about points.

i for one am excited to charge out of a land raider full of THSS terminators and knock some sense into some people

heck even standard terminators.

but i may wait on that for some updated kits.

 Desubot wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That and I'd be genuinely surprised if they ditch the current Marines...

Really????

At this point I think it is pretty much a given. I can't see them keeping two range of marines(one slightly bigger than the other) for a lot of time

Or they just give them about as much stuff the custodies has and call it a day.

they would have to replace pretty much EVERYTHING Marine and thats quite a big investment

so much so that if they were willing to go full adeptus restartes then it would be a very very very long process.

at the least untill the newest marine injection molds started to go bad which is going to take a while.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
So if existing Marines can be upgraded and the creation process is being shared out, will there be Primaris versions of the existing squad types? Or will all post upgrade Astartes be reorganized into the new Primaris squads?

good chance that girlyman is going to rewrite the codex. and the new elite of elite will probably work a lot more like 30k marines since that is what he was used to. (maybe)

Custodes only have one kit. we already know that there will be numerous kits of numarines, most of them being direct port from the old marine range (dreadnought, tanks, assault marines)

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Kriswall wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Mortarion hint dropped!

"Any Primarchs returning?"
"Well... there might be a cowled one on the way soon..."

Or, you know, the Lion. The dude who's legion all wear hoodies? I'm sure when he wakes up they'll hand him an STC Hoodlum-pattern Hoodie.

We pretty much know Mortarion is coming anyway (his scythe is seen in the Death Guard video and there was a leaked image that the scythe matched up with).

Exactly. But we'll have to go through the usual Dakka process of "it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, maybe it's a pigeon!"