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So, Arcane Legions is a defunct 1:72 fantasy wargame about the Roman Civil War between Augustus and Anthony/Cleopatra, with magic and mythical creatures, and also the Han Dynasty marches into the Middle East with Japanese allies. These are the sets I have to work with, in multiples:

ROMAN INFANTRY
25x legionaries in 4 poses
10x archers in lorica segmentata

5x Romans in steam powered armor

ROMAN CAVALRY
10x melee cavalry in 2 poses
4x bear riders in full plate (30x50)

EGYPTIAN INFANTRY
5x legionaries
10x hoplites (helmet & shield only) divided between javelin & sword poses
8x sword mummies
7x two-handed spear mummies
10x Egyptian archers in kilts

EGYPTIAN CAVALRY
5x charging centaurs
5x Mongol horse archers
5x Mongol sword cavalry

HAN INFANTRY
20x two-handed spear/halberd in light armor
10x two-handed swordsmen in medium armor, 2 poses
10x archers in light armor

HAN CAVALRY
5x horse archers
5x melee horsemen
5x mounted samurai

ROMAN BOOSTER BRICK
10x Celtic berserkers with shields, 2 poses
8x large werewolves
6x Minotaurs (25x25)
6x centurions, 2 poses
4x powered armor Romans with only poison gas launchers for weapons
3x priestess with head covering, polearm and pet snake
3x fireball priestess with leather cuirass/greaves
3x warrior woman (sword/shield)
3x druid
Druid hero
Gallic king
Minotaur cleric
Steampunk Roman hero
Mounted Roman hero
Regular Roman hero

5x shield robot (16x25)
3x robot with four sword arms (16x25)
Asian female orc shaman summoning Modu Shanyu
Dwarf commander

EGYPTIAN BOOSTER BRICK
6x large undead
6x centaur archers
4x lion riders (25x50 base)
4x large cyclopes
5x lionesses with snake neck/head (16x25)
2x handler with whip
3x criosphinx
2x sphinx (25x50)
3x double-height Anubis guards (16x25)
3x priestess of Osiris
3x priestess of Isis
Priestess of Isis hero
Pharaoh mummy
Queen
Centaur hero
Hellenistic hero
Roman hero

4x sneaky crossbow orcs (25x25)
3x orc/goblin tiger riders (25x50)
Orc hero (25x25), Asian armor, dual-wielding swords

HAN BOOSTER BRICK
10x Han crossbowmen
10x topless Japanese archers
10x Japanese swordsmen, no armor
4x Yeti (40x30)
3x Foo lion statues (30x40)
4x courtly ghost
3x criminal ghost
3x "drider" wearing Japanese court garb
3x Kirin
3x Buddhist monk
Woman who's a serpent below the waist
Armored chaos spirit
Leaping Japanese hero
Chinese hero, 2 swords
General Zhongli Quan
Horionago (female hair demon)

2x large shield golem (40x30)
Female (?) greenskin ogre with axe (40x30)
Greenskin ogre with tree trunk (40x30)
Levitating Taoist

Note that infantry have a footprint of 16-17mm and both cavalry and large infantry both 16-17x34, unless noted above.

Obviously all the Romans except the power armored large infantry and bear riders can go into a Roman army, at a ratio of 1 Archer regiment for every 3 in the battle line.
Mongols are another strong historical army, though they'd need filling out with specialists and more horse archers by Caesar Miniatures or another 1:72 manufacturer. What sort of ratios do competitive lists run?
I'm thinking the Chinese should be a Kingdoms of Man list rather than historical so they can take stone lions and Buddhist monks as Forces of Nature allies? (Earth Element hordes and their Surge druid) FoN hordes could also unlock Unicorns (Kirin). Actually if I find 3x Chinese Beast of Nature to buy, I could come up with enough for a Chinese FoN list taking the ghosts as Wraith allies...
The mummies, large undead, and werewolves could be part of an Undead list as Revenants (both two-handed spear and sword/shield versions), Zombie Trolls, and Werewolves. The same wolves could also be in a Herd list with the Minotaurs, Centaur Archers and stuff.

Ideas, guys?
   
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You could run the Han Chinese as the historical Chinese from KoW: Historical with some units and/or heroes from the Mythological section of the same book.

If you are looking for more Asian creatures to add to the proposed Chinese FoN list, take a look at Zenit miniatures Kensei line. They are from Japanese folklore not Chinese, but that's closer than using Western European creatures in the role.
For example, the Sessho seki would make a fine Greater Earth Elemental.
Creatures main URL: http://shop.zenitminiatures.es/category.php?id_category=29

Your Japanese "driders" might be Jorōgumo. More appropriate for Forces of the Abyss or Nightstalkers.
"Woman who's a serpent below the waist" Probably a naga, from India. I bought one to use as a Large Cavalry hero for my Abyssal Dwarf army.

Strangely enough, the Romans could also be Varangur (the not-Chaos Warrior army). Varangur have heavy infantry, some light infantry, Heavy Cavalry, and Direfang Riders (supposed to be giant wolves but you have bears). The Magus Conclave is comprised of three casters, so the fireball priestesses have a role.

The Egyptian undead can always be used in the Empire of Dust.

As you have so many supernatural creatures you could throw them all into a Nightstalkers army, if you don't mind the aesthetic clash.

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Portland, OR

 Ancestral Hamster wrote:
You could run the Han Chinese as the historical Chinese from KoW: Historical with some units and/or heroes from the Mythological section of the same book.

If you are looking for more Asian creatures to add to the proposed Chinese FoN list, take a look at Zenit miniatures Kensei line. They are from Japanese folklore not Chinese, but that's closer than using Western European creatures in the role.
For example, the Sessho seki would make a fine Greater Earth Elemental.
Creatures main URL: http://shop.zenitminiatures.es/category.php?id_category=29

Your Japanese "driders" might be Jorōgumo. More appropriate for Forces of the Abyss or Nightstalkers.
"Woman who's a serpent below the waist" Probably a naga, from India. I bought one to use as a Large Cavalry hero for my Abyssal Dwarf army.

Strangely enough, the Romans could also be Varangur (the not-Chaos Warrior army). Varangur have heavy infantry, some light infantry, Heavy Cavalry, and Direfang Riders (supposed to be giant wolves but you have bears). The Magus Conclave is comprised of three casters, so the fireball priestesses have a role.

The Egyptian undead can always be used in the Empire of Dust.

As you have so many supernatural creatures you could throw them all into a Nightstalkers army, if you don't mind the aesthetic clash.


Yeah, you're right that the Chinese infantry and cavalry could be another Historical list. Also good call on the Nightstalkers army: I kind of mind the aesthetic clash, but I could try dividing them into 3 groups that could be allied in or combined into their own army.

So using 6x2 infantry and 1x6-7 cavalry for troops, the humans could break down like this:

ROMANS
8 infantry sets can make 7 Skirmisher troops (going MMC because the pilum-tossing pose has an extra-long base): 560 points
4 Heavy Warrior hordes in testudo formation: 245 * 4 = 980 points
+ 80 armored archers, which could make 2 hordes of Archers @ 40 models instead of 48 for 330 points

Adding 2 cavalry sets gets enough horsemen for a regiment + troop: 265 points
They also made Roman steam war engines in packs of 2: 180 points

That's already over 2250 without heroes or monsters. :O

As you said, Roman units could also Count As Varangrrr units, supporting a core of Fallen hordes (6 powered armor Romans = 1 large infantry regiment, so we're looking at several hordes) and 1 Direfang Rider horde (8 bear cavalry). That's already ~1210 points (in dire need of chaff).

Next I'll figure out Undead/Empire of Dust...
   
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In case you don't know about this resource: http://kow2.easyarmy.com/

Very useful, especially as you're trying to cost out many different armies.

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SoCal

I have some lists Azazel wrote up for me years ago. I'll try to get them from email later tonight on my home computer.

Also, if you cut the tabs off of the bottoms of the infantry, their round bases fit in Mantic bases' round holes, so you can base them as if each was one Mantic mini.

   
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Thanks for the tip, Bob. Any luck?

@AH: I've been using EasyArmy, thanks.

OK, so 8 infantry boxes = 120 un-bandaged mummies, enough for 3 Revenant hordes (or 5 regiments with denser model count).
Then the Egyptian boosters include 6 large undead (could be Zombie Trolls at double model count), Anubis guards, 3 types of priestess and an undead pharaoh. Pharaoh is obvious, and either priestesses of Osiris or Isis would Count As Empire of Dust Cursed High Priests or Undead Necromancer, but what about the other ones and Anubis guard?
Though it's less thematic than EoD, the big advantage of running these models as Undead is that the Roman booster with werewolves could be recruited as Werewolf hordes, providing a cavalry hammer.
   
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If the Anubis guard are large enough, they can be Enslaved Guardians. Depending on their size, a single criosphinx might work as a Reanimated Behemoth. The "5x lionesses with snake neck/head" could sub for scorpion husks. Supposedly Revenant Tomb Riders are very effective, but nothing in your list suggests a good "counts as."

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SoCal

Oh, I forgot to post the lists. Unfortunately, I left the final file on another computer, so I'm pulling these from old, old emails.


Armies of Men 1503pts:

Pole-Arms Block Regiment (20 Terracotta Warriors) 80pts #

Pole-Arms Block Regiment (20 Terracotta Warriors) 80pts #

Foot Guard Regiment w/2-handed weapons (20 guys in light armor with big swords) 115pts #

Missile Troops Block Troop (20 Archers) 100pts #

Missile Troops Block Troop w/crossbows (10 Crossbowmen) 75pts - 105pts
*Jar of the Four Winds Cost: 30 pts
The unit’s ‘normal’ ranged attacks gain 12” to their maximum range.

Missile Troops Block Troop (10 Unarmoured Archers) 75pts

Mounted Scouts Troop (5 Horse Archers) 70pts

Mounted Sergeants Troop (5 Med Horsemen) 70pts

Knights Troop (5 Heavy Horsemen) 95pts

Shield Wall Troop (10 dismounted heavy horse guys) 60pts

Ogre Troop (3 large Stone Lions) 115pts - 135pts
*slightly faster than normal humans, 9 attacks, crushing strength
Blessing of the Gods Cost: 20 pts
The unit has the Elite special rule.

optional - run them as Ogres with 2-h weapons for -1 Def but an additional point of crushing strength.
My recommendation - try them both ways and see how they "feel" and what you prefer.


#You have 4 Solid Units now (the Regiments - 20men) - this allows you to have 4 characters and 4 war machines. The missile troops aren't great in this edition of KoW, but they're better (right now) as troops in many ways since Regiments get the same number of sttacks.

Having said that, I've consolidated the 2 units of Archers into one larger unit which is slightly more survivable - and which gives you an additional solid unit - allowing a second Dragon since you said you'd like to take *at least* one Dragon.

To bump up your solid unit numbers for more characters I'd recommend another 5 knights/Heavy Horsemen to bump that to a regiment, probably the same for the mounted sergeants and another 10 dismounted samaurai to get your shieldwall to a regiment.


General on Winged Beast (Dragon 1) 190pts

General on Winged Beast (Dragon 2) 190pts

Army Standard Bearer on horse (Kirin - with or without guy holding a big flag/interesting icon) 39pts (69pts)
Healing Charm Cost: 30 pts
This artefact can only be used by Heroes. The Hero has
the Heal (3) special rule.

Wizard on horse (something cool mounted on something - maybe another Kirin?) 69pts


1503pts


Undead Egyptians - 1500pts

Skeleton Horde (40) (Spread some out!) 135pts + 25pts = 160pts
+spears +25pts - gains Phalanx

Skeleton Horde (40) (Again!) 135pts + 25pts = 160pts
+spears +25pts - gains Phalanx

Skeleton Regiment (20) (And again!) 70pts + 15pts = 85pts
+spears +15pts - gains Phalanx

Mummy Half-Regiment (10) 220pts

Mummy Regiment (20) 295 + 5 = 300pts
Smoke Bombs of Coo-Par
Cost: 5 pts
The unit can trigger this artefact at the end of one of
their turns, once per game. In the following enemy Shoot
phase, the unit counts as being in soft cover.



Lesser Obsidian Golems Troop (3) (Flesh Constructs) 90pts
Taken from the Chaos Dwarf list but just dropping them in here. Large infantry so it's legal, and just use the undead Evil Dead army special rule with them because Shut Up.
They are Shambling like most of the rest of the undead list anyway, so can be Dark Surged (legally) according to RAW.

If you get another 3, run them as a Regiment (6) for 160pts, or as a second troop as above.


Heroes:
Necromancer 110pts

Necromancer 110 + 15 + 10 = 135pts
On undead horse (or other mount)
Talisman of Inspiration (grants Inspiring)

Undead Army Standard Bearer 25 + 5 = 30pts
On undead horse (or other mount)

Cursed Pharaoh 200 +10 = 210pts
War-Bow of Kaba: 30", hits on 3+, normal range modifiers, Piercing (1)
Blade of Slashing: +1 attack.



Skeletons aren't great, but they're scary and fantastical. Horde-sized units double the attacks from 10 to 20, are pretty tough, can tie the enemy up and have a nice psychological impact

Both Mummy units are equally hard-hitting, but the larger one has a ton of Nerve, and so is scary as hell since it can dish it out and take it.

You need Necromancers/models with Dark Surge to keep your army moving, since barely any of them can move At The Double (March Move). DS can also be used for some nasty surprises since you can use it to charge into combat, and even have multiple casters cast it on the same unit. Undead heroes are also really very pricey. I gave you a Cursed Pharaoh since your force is Mummy-heavy and so it fits thematically, and as a bonus, he has a nie synergy with them rules-wise.

Army standard should be easy-ish to modify. Replace a spear or sword, etc with some brass rod and stick an appropriate looking thing on top for an inspiring standard/flag/whatever.




That's all I could find for now.



   
 
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