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https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/cowboy-bebop-live-action-series-a-go-at-netflix-1164398?fbclid=IwAR1SisOO3dnMIPhQ60qFl7wb70hxGvVDVUcZ8Xp7GvwoelsoLS89n-9gpZo

Honestly I just don't understsnd why some people insist of believing you can take an outstanding animated series and "improve" it by doing it live action...

When is someone going to remake heavy metal live action?


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Wasn't cowboy bebop good enough as it was? Will live action just be an excuse to stick in some bare breasts?

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Yeesh. At least Shinichiro Watanabe and some of the people from the original studio are producing/consulting. But yeah, doing a live-action recreation of an anime series is a pretty fruitless endeavor, and is surely going to attract the ire of fans no matter how they handle it.

 
   
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Why not?

Is it popular?

Is it relatively cheap to film?

Does it stand a reasonable chance of making more than it cost to make?

There you go (seriously, not having a pop at anyone)

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Well if there was any anime that would adapt well to a western audience it was probably going to be this one.


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I wonder how they're going to try and cram the whole bajillion episode series into one movie?

and more importantly is Andy Serkis going to play Ein? (the dog)

 
   
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What makes peolle think a high end animated reboot series can't be successful?

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LoL, plot twist- they hire Nathan Fillion to play Spike, and the whole thing becomes weirdly Fireflyesque.

It'll need to be brutally streamlined to work as a movie.

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I think it's a limited run series, not a movie. Still they have a lot of ground to cover in 9-10 episodes.

 
   
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Wasn't Masamune Shirow also consulted for the live action Ghost in the Shell? Didn't save it.

To date, there are no examples of good live action anime adaptions.

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There’s not that much ground to cover. Bebop wasn’t a really long running series, and the vast majority of it is slice of life, with only a handful of episodes really dealing with the overarching plot.

 
   
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 LordofHats wrote:
Because after ruining 80s merchandising empires, Hollywood has moved on to murdering the 90s anime boom.

This.

Netflix has produced some outstanding shows of late though, hopefully this will be another.

The only positive about this is that these live action adaptations have a much broader audience than anime so I will be able to discuss the plot of Cowboy Bebop with my Dad for example who will not watch an anime. The same happened with Death Note and the FMA movie, both of which are garbage imo but at least Dad enjoyed them lol
   
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In Japan it's very common for that kind of thing to start in one medium, then move to others.

For example there's a live action film of Gantz, and a live action film of Deadnote, both of which started as manga. Haruhi Suzumiya started as a light novel, then moved to manga, then anime.

Nearly anything popular gets exploited in several different formats.

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How often do they remake anything that was popular? (and the destroy it, but if get money, all the time now is what matters):

Conan the Barbarian
Total recall
The Mummy
Arthur
etc etc etc

Awesome anime or cartoon, destroyed:

DBZ is number one, how bad was dragonball... (I mean I liked Spike in Buffy, but as Piccolo, this short ass and was (ironically) the smallest forepart, that destroyed this film)

Think they did a live action Fist of the North Star as well which was atrocious.

Many bad video game adaptations as well (a few good ones, like the first Mortal Kombat was awesome for when it came out, I loved it and I loved the first Resident Evil when it first came out etc).





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Well, I'll totally watch it . Was just thinking of rewatching the series. Worst case, it's not that good and all we pretend it never happened, right?
   
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 slave.entity wrote:
Wasn't Masamune Shirow also consulted for the live action Ghost in the Shell? Didn't save it.

To date, there are no examples of good live action anime adaptions.


The Black Butler movie would care to disagree with you.
   
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It could be good, but good luck to the writers and the producers.
Cowboy Bebop is an anime in which you find Miles Davis, Hong Kong movies, Wim Wenders, Blade Runner, and Georges Dumézil. With fantastic atmosphere a and memorable universe and characters, whose interactions and motivations are sometimes just hinted and reward a re-watch. References to older anime like Lupin III and Captain Harlock. Plus a killer Soundtrack, of course.
Good luck re-making THAT.

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Really Cowboy Bebop was a decent and cool story with good characters. But the thing that really made it stand out to me was the animation. You can't duplicate that in live action so I suppose it will fail. Honestly Ghost in the shell was the same thing - but that failed for other reasons. Mainly - Scarlet Johansen.


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 slave.entity wrote:
Wasn't Masamune Shirow also consulted for the live action Ghost in the Shell? Didn't save it.

To date, there are no examples of good live action anime adaptions.


Better question was why did gits"fail". if i recall its mostly due to the whole white washing nonsense that it got wrapped up in.

the movie was stunning visually and the story wasnt bad. if anything my only gripe with the movie was the under utilization of the secondary characters.


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 Scott-S6 wrote:
And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.

Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!

 
   
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Bebop could actually fit into a single film fairly well. Yes the story would have to change to accomplish this, but it could be done.

They could even speed it up if they start half way through a bit like the Firefly film. Ergo don't go through finding the crew, but have them established and on a job and use that to introduce them all. Feys story doesn't "really" matter if you focus purely on Spikes story as the core storyline; whilst Eine and Edward can be glossed over as well somewhat.

Again its not that their stories are not important, but that if you are going for a film they could easily just focus on Spike, the breakup of the crew and the final ending. It would lack the impact of the series, but it could be done.



Then again they could do what they diid for the animated film, a one off adventure. The crew certainly went on more than we saw in the series so there's loads of room to fit in loads of stuff and a few choice locations without impacting anything already established.

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Well it sounds like its going to be a series. So no need to cram or streamline the overaching plot. Hopefully they leave room for some of the stand alone bounty hunter slice of life stories.
   
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Didn't Cowboy Bebop already have a live-action adaptation?
I seem to remember it getting quite the cult following after being canceled too soon. Seem to remember it going by the title "Firefly"

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 Galef wrote:
Didn't Cowboy Bebop already have a live-action adaptation?
I seem to remember it getting quite the cult following after being canceled too soon. Seem to remember it going by the title "Firefly"

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 Desubot wrote:
 slave.entity wrote:
Wasn't Masamune Shirow also consulted for the live action Ghost in the Shell? Didn't save it.

To date, there are no examples of good live action anime adaptions.


Better question was why did gits"fail". if i recall its mostly due to the whole white washing nonsense that it got wrapped up in.

the movie was stunning visually and the story wasnt bad. if anything my only gripe with the movie was the under utilization of the secondary characters.



IMO the idiotic whitewash was part of it.

The seconf part is that the original gits was a deeply thoughtful and intelligent story that dealt with fundamental issues of what is humanity and can a thinking, sentient being be equal to human?

The live action movie was "Hot badass babe gets screwed by evil guys and goes after them". Yawn.

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 Techpriestsupport wrote:
 Desubot wrote:
 slave.entity wrote:
Wasn't Masamune Shirow also consulted for the live action Ghost in the Shell? Didn't save it.

To date, there are no examples of good live action anime adaptions.


Better question was why did gits"fail". if i recall its mostly due to the whole white washing nonsense that it got wrapped up in.

the movie was stunning visually and the story wasnt bad. if anything my only gripe with the movie was the under utilization of the secondary characters.



IMO the idiotic whitewash was part of it.

The seconf part is that the original gits was a deeply thoughtful and intelligent story that dealt with fundamental issues of what is humanity and can a thinking, sentient being be equal to human?

The live action movie was "Hot badass babe gets screwed by evil guys and goes after them". Yawn.


Wait really its been a while but i recall a lot of the plot involving around consent and the rights of corporations over "property" which is a pretty relevant nowadays.

Both the original series and live action had hot badass babe action going after perceived evil guys which end up being a "good or neutral" guy type thing so thats pretty moot.

as well the white washing in the sense of the setting also makes sense considering it is a western corporation with western doctors whom probably have a bias towards white bods which is another interesting aspect of the rights and consent. and identity politics (whether it was touched upon honestly i need to go watch it again but these were the aspects i recall and or could be touched upon from the story)

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 Scott-S6 wrote:
And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.

Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!

 
   
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 Techpriestsupport wrote:
What makes peolle think a high end animated reboot series can't be successful?


Historical evidence. Hollywood has rebooted a lot of stuff lately, and most of it failed dismally.

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 Techpriestsupport wrote:

Honestly I just don't understsnd why some people insist of believing you can take an outstanding animated series and "improve" it by doing it live action...


Why? Because something has some recognition, so therefore it's more likely to make money. And you get to re-sell the old stuff to new people and sell new merchandise too!

   
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The actors still look like they're cosplaying the characters, rather than playing them (Faye especially), and there's no Ed. Still, the three fighter craft are there, there's a lot of direct references to many episodes in there. Could be good.

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