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Do you find unpainted minis in matches acceptable?
Yes its acceptable, if people cant be bothered painting then who cares
No its unacceptable they are lazy and are annoying
I prefer people have fully painted minis, but dont really care.

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Do you think people who play with unpainted models on a regular basis / almost always, should be frowned upon and should stick to other games that don't have a modeling aspect to it.

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Black legion / Chaos Space Marine Collector. 
   
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Hardened Veteran Guardsman




Gainesville, VA

Personally I won't bring unpainted to the table, but if other players do its fine. I don't expect to impose my standards on others.
   
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Chaplain with Hate to Spare






I'm just silently judging them. I'm too politely to actually say anything.

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Contagious Dreadnought of Nurgle






Obviously I can't tell someone else what they must do with their own models, but I do feel that you should put some effort into them. It doesn't take much to at least spray your models with a colored primer and lay down a couple of base colors, and any amount of paint is infinitely better than none.

 
   
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Prescient Cryptek of Eternity





East Coast, USA

1. Not everyone has the time, money or desire to paint their models.
2. The game can easily be played without painting the models.
3. If you have a major problem playing against unpainted models, you're hurting yourself by limiting your pool of opponents.

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Regular Dakkanaut






Well i personally think it doesn't matter if you dont have the time in my opinion its like you are basically cheating and not really worthy of being called some one with a army. Thats just me though.

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If you have the time and money to buy and assemble an entire 40k army, you have the time and money to spray them with a base color and block out one or two more with a brush.

 
   
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Chaplain with Hate to Spare






 Kriswall wrote:

3. If you have a major problem playing against unpainted models, you're hurting yourself by limiting your pool of opponents.

Nah. I don't play that often anyway, so when I do I prefer it to be a visual spectacle as this game should.

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Regular Dakkanaut






 Crimson wrote:
 Kriswall wrote:

3. If you have a major problem playing against unpainted models, you're hurting yourself by limiting your pool of opponents.

Nah. I don't play that often anyway, so when I do I prefer it to be a visual spectacle as this game should.


No the unpainted people in my eyes are not in the pool so its irrelevent.

Even if you cant paint well, atleast do your best thats part of the whole thing i mean, at this point you should not even use models, just use toilet paper rolls why even have models

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Devestating Grey Knight Dreadknight




I play Grey Knights and believe it or not my models are grey. In fact I was playing the other day and someone pointed to my models and said, "See, you don't need to paint your models to play." I then informed them that my models were in fact painted and meant to be the color they are. Embarrassment ensued.
   
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Regular Dakkanaut






haha funny, grey knights can be an exception

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This depends on the dude.

If its one of my old gamer friends, well they get mocked and publicly disparaged.

If its a newbie, Point out the basics of painting can be a help.

If its a guy that is just there to play and doesn't want to paint, point out that a black spray with a silver dry brush really helps with both look, cohesion, and actually model identification on the table, and one of those things helps game play.

I'm a big advocate of the mediocre paint skill. I feel that the max amount of time spent on a army should be strictly limited. If you can't get a good solid look on the model and it on the table in relatively short order, do what your girlfriend did, and lower your standards.

   
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I prefer people have fully painted minis, but don't really care.

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Three Color Minimum




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Yes. It ruins my immersion.

/screeeeeeeee/


Honestly I don't care. I expect fully painted armies at tournaments and events, but casual games is whatever. Play-testing and proxying happen a lot.

   
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Awesome Autarch






To me it's a simple thing.

The way I see it, a game is an agreement from two or more people to partake in a good looking game, with painted miniatures on nice terrain. That is the purpose of collecting miniatures for a game like 40K, and why we're not playing Hero Clix, etc. Thus, I consider it my responsibility to bring my best to the table. I consider my army or my terrain or my table as my donation to the event that we're playing in.

Do I judge people with unpainted stuff? Sure, a bit. You are deminishing the visual of a game, and thus not bringing your half of the experience. I want my opponent to look at my army and think "awesome, always wanted to play against a fully painted cohesive army on a cool table!", etc.

I think it's about respecting your opponent enough to put in the effort to make the combined experience as good as possible.

Now, having said that - I don't have any expectation of quality. We live in a world with amazing cheats available (colour spray primers, dip, etc.). If you say "I can't paint these X", you're likely lying. Spray the bases green or brown, spray the minis a base colour, and dip them or wash them and we'll go from there. Show that you're interested in the combined effort of a tabletop game.

 
   
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It does wind me up a bit when I put down an army that I've spent a hundred hours painting and my opponent whacks down a sea of grey. But that's on me.
   
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Prescient Cryptek of Eternity





East Coast, USA

Wow... I'm surprised by some of the nasty, elitist comments I'm reading. Super glad I don't play with you guys or your communities. Sounds pretty awful and unwelcoming.

My community does everything in its power to grow. Communities thrive on new blood. If that means taking on people who don't have the time or desire to paint, so be it. More players makes for generally healthier (i.e. more likely to survive) communities.

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Only gripe I have with unpainted models is that its harder to tell what gear they are using or which model type they are at a glance on the table top (might be because my eyes are rather meh). Other than that I have zero issue with people using grey models.

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I’d prefer to have painted models in play, making taking pictures look much cooler.

However, in the end I’m playing a game and not having a fashion show. I just want the game to work and not feel like I’m wasting 4 hours of my life on a foregone conclusion that was decided when I wrote up my list.

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Awesome Autarch





Dallas area, TX

I don't think they should be frowned upon, but certainly pitied. One of the most fun and engaging parts of this hobby is painting your stuff.
Players who "can't be bothered" to paint their army are truly missing out on (IMO) the best part of the hobby, and therefore pity, not disdain, it the right emotion to have for those players.

You also kinda rob your opponent of an aesthetically pleasing game if you refuse to paint your stuff. Even just a base coat is better than nothing

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I like to see progress. If you show up to a game with a horde of grey but next month you have a unit or a couple pieces painted that's awesome. If it's still just the same horde of grey then I will silently judge you.

I'm always adding new stuff to my army so I usually have a handful of unpainted units. I like to try them out in a game before I commit the hours (I'm a horrible and slow painter) that I need to get them into table top shape. I still haven't based over 90% of my new additions yet (working on getting something competitive painted and then I'll actually base the models that don't get blown off the table by turn 3...) and I'm sure that bothers some people.

On the other hand I have no problem playing against proxies or counts as (as long as they are clear and about the same size) as long as it's not the fourth month you are still pulling out your counts as reapers.
   
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Painting GK is a waste of time and money. I can imagine someone painting an army that is good, or any army that is ment for tournaments. But spending more money on GK, no thank you.
   
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I casual games, i dont have a problem. I have lots of models that have been undercoated for 10 years and yet to be painted; this is due to lack of time or motivation.

In competition? Unacceptable. Theres a group around that runs a yearly tournament and one of their conditions is that all models must be painted too a good standard with highlighting and basing. If even one model doesnt meet that standard, then the player is ineligible to win prizes regardless of how well they may place.
   
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Why would you NOT want to paint your mini's? It's literally 99% of the hobby.

Why not just play a computer game if you want to play RTS without being invested in your models?

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Ive always felt that painting is not required to play this game. GW does a good job selling you on the presentation of the box art and most cant achieve that level.

Lately Ive come to the thought of priming and at least basecoating models in a primary color and coming back to them isn't that hard so Ive tried to get at least that much done before putting them on the table.

As time allows I will come back to the model and batch paint the rest of the details until the army is at an acceptable table top standard. Its worked for me so far and Ive tried to live by the mantra "just get some paint on it".

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Karol wrote:
Painting GK is a waste of time and money. I can imagine someone painting an army that is good, or any army that is ment for tournaments. But spending more money on GK, no thank you.


I don't get it, why is painting grey knights waste of time :S??

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Mississippi

Karol wrote:
Painting GK is a waste of time and money. I can imagine someone painting an army that is good, or any army that is ment for tournaments. But spending more money on GK, no thank you.


My Grey Knights are actually white ....


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 skchsan wrote:
Why would you NOT want to paint your mini's? It's literally 99% of the hobby.

Why not just play a computer game if you want to play RTS without being invested in your models?


Um painting is like 10%, and I might be generous with that.

Playing the game is about competitiveness, strategy, game play, comradeship, developing an understanding of mathematics, then maybe distant way over there after army creation is Painting.
   
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 Stormatious wrote:
Karol wrote:
Painting GK is a waste of time and money. I can imagine someone painting an army that is good, or any army that is ment for tournaments. But spending more money on GK, no thank you.


I don't get it, why is painting grey knights waste of time :S??
He's saying it's not worth playing GK's atm due to how crappy they are in the competitive scene.

   
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Option 2: Lazy and annoying

Grey minis are a blight upon the hobby.
   
 
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