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Ha!

After I clicked through on the link, I saw that too - oops!

So...yeah, OK then!

the Hellfane has some big fire energy

 NTRabbit wrote:


the Hellfane has some big fire energy

It looks like a flaming turd wrapped in nice metal plates.

 Theophony wrote:

 NTRabbit wrote:


the Hellfane has some big fire energy

It looks like a flaming turd wrapped in nice metal plates.

Yeah, I think that's the core concept behind.

The abyssal golems are the same - basically just a pile of lava rocks put together with a vague humanoid look.

Otherwise, the dwarves are nice. IMHO, they still don't look very good when put strictly in regiments like they should be (10 for troops, and so on) and while you can see they designed the miniatures so that it's possible to do it with very specific poses, it's still a bit awkward.

Funny, but when I saw the painted miniatures, I thought they would look great on round bases.

I think they will look very nice in Regiments if you take advantage of the preferred model count rule and use leave a little more space between them

 kodos wrote:
I think they will look very nice in Regiments if you take advantage of the preferred model count rule and use leave a little more space between them

Hot Take: KOW units just look better and far less congested at PMC, especially if you're using newer Mantic minis like the Northern Alliance super burly humans.

Cool to see the new AD painted! Helfane has some cool rules, hope to see that thing plodding around the tabletop soon. Grot sculpts I think are still misses, or at least the three-legged one(s) are, but I hate them less the more I see them, especially with (very good) paint on them. I applaud Mantic for not just making dragon ogres (everybody's GW counts as) or mega bulltaurs (everbody else's FW counts as).

 Boss Salvage wrote:
Hot Take: KOW units just look better and far less congested at PMC, especially if you're using newer Mantic minis like the Northern Alliance super burly humans.

Cool to see the new AD painted! Helfane has some cool rules, hope to see that thing plodding around the tabletop soon. Grot sculpts I think are still misses, or at least the three-legged one(s) are, but I hate them less the more I see them, especially with (very good) paint on them. I applaud Mantic for not just making dragon ogres (everybody's GW counts as) or mega bulltaurs (everbody else's FW counts as).

I agree with your hot take.
As far as I know, new goblins are coming soon.

Man, what I wouldn't have given for Kevin Adams to be the designer in charge of the Goblins. Throwing them back to the late 80's/early 90's design style would have been absolutely awesome.

They’ve already previewed the new goblins which are due in the summer

https://www.manticgames.com/news/christmas-blogs-kings-of-war-in-2020/

I was sad when they bumped the PMC for regiments. But since I mostly play in 10mm it's not a huge deal.

 Alpharius wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Not gonna lie, would have preferred the classic Babylonean Centaurs to random body horror guys.

Same here!

I can see why (maybe) Mantic wants to 'make them their own', but really, the main appeal of Evil Dwarves is something closer to the past version vs. this stuff.

For me, at least!

What in the world are you both talking about

Wow that throne is cool but the thing he's riding is just awful.

Goblins look cool, excellent RPG fodder in particular.

Until Monday, spend just £10/€15/$20 on the Mantic Games website and get FREE SHIPPING*! Perfect to pick up a few bits for your army or a gaming supplement!

Head to www.manticgames.com to place your order. You've got until 9am on Monday!

 DaveC wrote:

Until Monday, spend just £10/€15/$20 on the Mantic Games website and get FREE SHIPPING*! Perfect to pick up a few bits for your army or a gaming supplement!

Head to www.manticgames.com to place your order. You've got until 9am on Monday!

Nice offer. Might have to get some vermin to see what their like in the flesh.

 DaveC wrote:

Until Monday, spend just £10/€15/$20 on the Mantic Games website and get FREE SHIPPING*! Perfect to pick up a few bits for your army or a gaming supplement!

Head to www.manticgames.com to place your order. You've got until 9am on Monday!

Does Mantic allow us in the United States to order in GBP still or have they blocked that option?

 Theophony wrote:

 DaveC wrote:

Until Monday, spend just £10/€15/$20 on the Mantic Games website and get FREE SHIPPING*! Perfect to pick up a few bits for your army or a gaming supplement!

Head to www.manticgames.com to place your order. You've got until 9am on Monday!

Does Mantic allow us in the United States to order in GBP still or have they blocked that option?

That will likely be the * - you can select any currency but you only get free shipping if you pay the correct currency and the shipping is expensive if you pay in a different currency to the point it negates any currency convesrion savings.

you must live in the UK to take advantage of our UK Free Shipping Rate, Europe to use the Euro Free Shipping Rate and the US or the Rest of the World to use the Dollar Free Shipping Rate.

 DaveC wrote:

 Theophony wrote:

 DaveC wrote:

Until Monday, spend just £10/€15/$20 on the Mantic Games website and get FREE SHIPPING*! Perfect to pick up a few bits for your army or a gaming supplement!

Head to www.manticgames.com to place your order. You've got until 9am on Monday!

Does Mantic allow us in the United States to order in GBP still or have they blocked that option?

That will likely be the * - you can select any currency but you only get free shipping if you pay the correct currency and the shipping is expensive if you pay in a different currency to the point it negates any currency convesrion savings.

you must live in the UK to take advantage of our UK Free Shipping Rate, Europe to use the Euro Free Shipping Rate and the US or the Rest of the World to use the Dollar Free Shipping Rate.

So paying a 1.5x conversion rate for the U.S. on material when currently at 1.28x to get free delivery isn’t as good as it seems.
So a £19.99 unit with free delivery which should cost $25.72 with current exchange rate and still get free delivery costs $29.99 with free delivery. I still don’t understand Mantic .

 Theophony wrote:

So paying a 1.5x conversion rate for the U.S. on material when currently at 1.28x to get free delivery isn’t as good as it seems.
So a £19.99 unit with free delivery which should cost $25.72 with current exchange rate and still get free delivery costs $29.99 with free delivery. I still don’t understand Mantic .

This has nothing to do with Mantic but as something usual with UK based companies as they include the higher shipping in the conversion rate
The other option in the UK is that you pay X% of your order for shipping, and never gain free shipping at all, which means the more you order the more you pay (but therefore they let you pay in pound for cheaper conversion rate)

You get the same if you order from GW or Forgeworld

But if conversion rates are bad, you can always order from Amazon who use the current rates (but be careful, some sellers charge 1.5-2 times the MSRP from Mantic and you can end up worse)

 kodos wrote:

 Theophony wrote:

So paying a 1.5x conversion rate for the U.S. on material when currently at 1.28x to get free delivery isn’t as good as it seems.
So a £19.99 unit with free delivery which should cost $25.72 with current exchange rate and still get free delivery costs $29.99 with free delivery. I still don’t understand Mantic .

This has nothing to do with Mantic but as something usual with UK based companies as they include the higher shipping in the conversion rate
The other option in the UK is that you pay X% of your order for shipping, and never gain free shipping at all, which means the more you order the more you pay (but therefore they let you pay in pound for cheaper conversion rate)

You get the same if you order from GW or Forgeworld

The other thing to remember here is that foreign orders should be 20% cheaper, as they don't charge/pass along the VAT to the Gov't, so they're already pocketing 20% more these orders and shouldn't need to jack the exchange rate to help cover shipping.

Ashitaka wrote:
[The other thing to remember here is that foreign orders should be 20% cheaper, as they don't charge/pass along the VAT to the Gov't, so they're already pocketing 20% more these orders and shouldn't need to jack the exchange rate to help cover shipping.

They're actually only pocketing 16.7%, not 20%

If an item costs £1 pre-VAT, you add 20% VAT to get a selling price of £1.20. The tax element is 20p, that's 16.7% of the selling price of £1.20.

Whatever it ends up being, it shouldn't be getting charged to orders shipping out of the country, should it?

 Alpharius wrote:
Whatever it ends up being, it shouldn't be getting charged to orders shipping out of the country, should it?

actually it should, and if it is shipped into a country without VAT it is taxed twice (VAT+sales Tax) not including import tax.

The same if I order something from the USA, I pay sales tax, an import fee and VAT
which is the main reason why the smaller companies try to have local stores/shops/distributor so they can import without paying the taxes and sell at local conditions

also a reason why Brexit is bad for Mantic but good for GW.
as GW wants you to buy from the local distributor only so they can adjust the prices to local conditions without taking care about conversion rates etc. but this is against EU law so if they mess up people are going to order directly from the UK or other countries were the product is cheaper.

while Mantic does not have a big European distributor (yet) and worst case will be that we have to pay double taxes too

 Alpharius wrote:
Whatever it ends up being, it shouldn't be getting charged to orders shipping out of the country, should it?

It's an optional scheme. Retailers can choose to take part or not and they are allowed to make a charge for administering the VAT free scheme.

What would be illegal would be for them to charge the overseas customer VAT inclusive prices and then not make an appropriate payment to the taxman.

Free shipping comes in handy as I've been waiting to pick up the 3rd ed rules. Now is the time!

 kodos wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Whatever it ends up being, it shouldn't be getting charged to orders shipping out of the country, should it?

actually it should, and if it is shipped into a country without VAT it is taxed twice (VAT+sales Tax) not including import tax.

The same if I order something from the USA, I pay sales tax, an import fee and VAT
which is the main reason why the smaller companies try to have local stores/shops/distributor so they can import without paying the taxes and sell at local conditions

also a reason why Brexit is bad for Mantic but good for GW.
as GW wants you to buy from the local distributor only so they can adjust the prices to local conditions without taking care about conversion rates etc. but this is against EU law so if they mess up people are going to order directly from the UK or other countries were the product is cheaper.

while Mantic does not have a big European distributor (yet) and worst case will be that we have to pay double taxes too

I’ve ordered plenty from companies based in England and never paid an import fee, that’s based on the receiving country. I always used to spend large on warlord games sales in £ and get free shipping, the sale price and excellent exchange rate with my bank card. The VAT was even removed because I was an out of country shipment.

It’s all the company’s decision to accept payment in whichever form and not a law, unless that has recently changed.

import tax is difficult
I have ordered stuff from outside EU and never paid one, friend of mine ordered once models in the USA, he had to pay double the price on import tax
this is more related if the people controlling the import let it through or not and we are now just be careful to stay below the minimum value or order only from people who now how to deal with those things

and Warlord Games is complicated, I ordered once directly did not worked out well, since than I order via my FLGS and we get the benefits of the conversion rate etc.
back when Mantic was sold via the local store it was similar

Mantic is not doing the best job with their webshop and fees, but they are not bad and far from being the worst

New KOW / Vanguard Pre-Orders!

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Nightstalker Dreadfiend Box Set - Kings Of War 3rd Ed (x1 fig) $20 USD


Nightstalker Soulflayers Regiment Box Set - Kings Of War 3rd Ed (x3 figs) $45 USD


Ogre Warband Box Set - Kings of War Vanguard (x8 figs) w/ new Paymaster $45 USD


Ogre Warband Booster Box Set - Kings of War Vanguard (x5 figs) w/ new Berserker Bully, Boomer Sergeant, Crocodogs $45 USD


Ogre Matriarch Box Set - Kings of War Vanguard (x1 fig) $18 USD

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Ogre Siegebreaker Box Set - Kings of War Vanguard (x1 fig) $18 USD


Ogre Crocodogs Box Set - Kings of War Vanguard (x3 figs) $13 USD

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Ogre Warriors Regiment Box Set - Kings of War Vanguard (x3 figs) $30 USD - these come with metal components, which rumor has it may be the old command bits

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Ogre Siege Breakers Regiment Box Set - Kings of War Vanguard (x3 figs) $30 USD

These new Ogres may be the best models Mantic have ever produced. Incredible.

 Theophony wrote:

 kodos wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Whatever it ends up being, it shouldn't be getting charged to orders shipping out of the country, should it?

actually it should, and if it is shipped into a country without VAT it is taxed twice (VAT+sales Tax) not including import tax.

The same if I order something from the USA, I pay sales tax, an import fee and VAT
which is the main reason why the smaller companies try to have local stores/shops/distributor so they can import without paying the taxes and sell at local conditions

also a reason why Brexit is bad for Mantic but good for GW.
as GW wants you to buy from the local distributor only so they can adjust the prices to local conditions without taking care about conversion rates etc. but this is against EU law so if they mess up people are going to order directly from the UK or other countries were the product is cheaper.

while Mantic does not have a big European distributor (yet) and worst case will be that we have to pay double taxes too

I’ve ordered plenty from companies based in England and never paid an import fee, that’s based on the receiving country.

Yep, The States don't have an import tax for consumers so we can order from anywhere without worry.

 squall018 wrote:
These new Ogres may be the best models Mantic have ever produced. Incredible.

They're looking like true ogres : mean muscular brutes with steady feet.

Only downside is that you really see the difference between the old and the new models. Their legs don't even compare.