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In your opinion, what is the best Imperial Guard regiment if you judge them by their historical background and victories? I would say the 8th Cadians, they may be a generic guard regiment to most people, but I admire their bravery and lineage of well trained guardsmen. The 8th Cadian from what I'm told of start their training as children, similar to the Spartans of ancient times.

There is no best regiment, each one are specialized, even the famous ones. But if I had to choose, I’d go with Tanith First and Only, there is like a 15 book series about them.

Tallarn are my personal pick. Given my interest in the North African campaigns and the middle east, they're lore is quite refreshing and interesting. It's a shame their infantry aren't produced in plastic.

 Jazzylee wrote:
In your opinion, what is the best Imperial Guard regiment if you judge them by their historical background and victories? I would say the 8th Cadians, they may be a generic guard regiment to most people, but I admire their bravery and lineage of well trained guardsmen. The 8th Cadian from what I'm told of start their training as children, similar to the Spartans of ancient times.

Uhhhh mate Cadia as a WHOLE trains children almost from their birth, they make their way as youths in the Whiteshields before being inducted to the Guard itself. The 8th isn’t the only Cadian regiment that does that.

 Zontarz wrote:

 Jazzylee wrote:
In your opinion, what is the best Imperial Guard regiment if you judge them by their historical background and victories? I would say the 8th Cadians, they may be a generic guard regiment to most people, but I admire their bravery and lineage of well trained guardsmen. The 8th Cadian from what I'm told of start their training as children, similar to the Spartans of ancient times.

Uhhhh mate Cadia as a WHOLE trains children almost from their birth, they make their way as youths in the Whiteshields before being inducted to the Guard itself. The 8th isn’t the only Cadian regiment that does that.

All guardsmen from Fortress World, of which Cadia was the most famous, are trained from birth to become soldiers of the Imperial Guard. I would tend to agree with you that the 8th is probably one of hte best if not the best elite infantry regiment of the Imperial Guard (provided you don't take into account Tempestus Scion Regiment).

There is no "best" regiment... regiments have different specialties depending on the world that they come from, and have veterancy that can change at any given point. Say the Xth Cadian Regiment if full of veterans today, then gets mauled in battle and take 60% casualties in battle the next day. Guess what? That regiment isn't full of veterans anymore... It will either be combined into a scratch company with remnants from other mauled regiments, or reinforced with FUNGS from the homeworld (depending on the regiment and distance from their homeworld).

I will say that Cadian regiments generally have really good quality troopers, mostly because every person on Cadia was a soldier, and they are trained from childhood to do nothing but soldier.

I'm not a fan of GOAT arguments (and IG regiments is too broad a topic for such a debate), but my favorite would have to be the Valhallan 597th.

Putting the right people in the right places, and encouraging them to solve problems with the skillsets they [I]have/[I] rather than the skillsets other people in similar positions use, is a narrative device I'm a huge fan of.

epronovost wrote:

 Zontarz wrote:

 Jazzylee wrote:
In your opinion, what is the best Imperial Guard regiment if you judge them by their historical background and victories? I would say the 8th Cadians, they may be a generic guard regiment to most people, but I admire their bravery and lineage of well trained guardsmen. The 8th Cadian from what I'm told of start their training as children, similar to the Spartans of ancient times.

Uhhhh mate Cadia as a WHOLE trains children almost from their birth, they make their way as youths in the Whiteshields before being inducted to the Guard itself. The 8th isn’t the only Cadian regiment that does that.

All guardsmen from Fortress World, of which Cadia was the most famous, are trained from birth to become soldiers of the Imperial Guard. I would tend to agree with you that the 8th is probably one of hte best if not the best elite infantry regiment of the Imperial Guard (provided you don't take into account Tempestus Scion Regiment).

I would have said Scions as well, however, just saying.m Imperial Guard rather than Astra Militarum, I believe OP is referring to the Departamento Regimentos.

 Apple Peel wrote:

epronovost wrote:

 Zontarz wrote:

 Jazzylee wrote:
In your opinion, what is the best Imperial Guard regiment if you judge them by their historical background and victories? I would say the 8th Cadians, they may be a generic guard regiment to most people, but I admire their bravery and lineage of well trained guardsmen. The 8th Cadian from what I'm told of start their training as children, similar to the Spartans of ancient times.

Uhhhh mate Cadia as a WHOLE trains children almost from their birth, they make their way as youths in the Whiteshields before being inducted to the Guard itself. The 8th isn’t the only Cadian regiment that does that.

All guardsmen from Fortress World, of which Cadia was the most famous, are trained from birth to become soldiers of the Imperial Guard. I would tend to agree with you that the 8th is probably one of hte best if not the best elite infantry regiment of the Imperial Guard (provided you don't take into account Tempestus Scion Regiment).

I would have said Scions as well, however, just saying.m Imperial Guard rather than Astra Militarum, I believe OP is referring to the Departamento Regimentos.

Actually kasrkin > then pretty much the rest.
1 vs 1 probably catachan though.

 Zontarz wrote:

 Jazzylee wrote:
In your opinion, what is the best Imperial Guard regiment if you judge them by their historical background and victories? I would say the 8th Cadians, they may be a generic guard regiment to most people, but I admire their bravery and lineage of well trained guardsmen. The 8th Cadian from what I'm told of start their training as children, similar to the Spartans of ancient times.

Uhhhh mate Cadia as a WHOLE trains children almost from their birth, they make their way as youths in the Whiteshields before being inducted to the Guard itself. The 8th isn’t the only Cadian regiment that does that.

I knew that, I just unfortunately neglected to bring that up, apologies.

Don't worry. All guardsmen regiments are equal in the eyes of the Imperium, equally disposable.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Apple Peel wrote:

epronovost wrote:

 Zontarz wrote:

 Jazzylee wrote:
In your opinion, what is the best Imperial Guard regiment if you judge them by their historical background and victories? I would say the 8th Cadians, they may be a generic guard regiment to most people, but I admire their bravery and lineage of well trained guardsmen. The 8th Cadian from what I'm told of start their training as children, similar to the Spartans of ancient times.

Uhhhh mate Cadia as a WHOLE trains children almost from their birth, they make their way as youths in the Whiteshields before being inducted to the Guard itself. The 8th isn’t the only Cadian regiment that does that.

All guardsmen from Fortress World, of which Cadia was the most famous, are trained from birth to become soldiers of the Imperial Guard. I would tend to agree with you that the 8th is probably one of hte best if not the best elite infantry regiment of the Imperial Guard (provided you don't take into account Tempestus Scion Regiment).

I would have said Scions as well, however, just saying.m Imperial Guard rather than Astra Militarum, I believe OP is referring to the Departamento Regimentos.

Actually kasrkin > then pretty much the rest.
1 vs 1 probably catachan though.

Nah, get your whiny planetary shock out of here. The only reason any Militarum Tempestus regiment isn’t being suggested is because it would be like suggesting Militarum Auxillia—not what the question is asking for.

The best regiment is the one I play. 4th Neutran Panzer Division!

The whiney planetary shocktroops, for your information are veteran schola tempestus assult troops and veterans against fighting chaos on cadia. Your 08/15 hogwarts scions are compared to them children with guns.

And more importantly Kasrkin are not auxilia, they are generally part of assult regiments.

Kronstaat IV Worker's Defence Force, 29th Army.

See my native 5+ to hit and tremble.

 Excommunicatus wrote:
Worker's Defence Force

Worker's defence force facing a Panzer division.
That reminds me of... uh... something.

 Hawky wrote:

 Excommunicatus wrote:
Worker's Defence Force

Worker's defence force facing a Panzer division.
That reminds me of... uh... something.

Niet molotov, Niet Molotov!

Not Online!!! wrote:
The whiney planetary shocktroops, for your information are veteran schola tempestus assult troops and veterans against fighting chaos on cadia. Your 08/15 hogwarts scions are compared to them children with guns.

And more importantly Kasrkin are not auxilia, they are generally part of assult regiments.

Kasrkin are planetary wannabes that will only fight fully for Cadia. And that’s gone.

Tempestus Scions are trained from youth in the Schola Progenium. Only the best of candidates survive the Schola. The victorious survivors then go into the true and proper Schola Tempestus, where their stormtrooper skills are taught and refined. Tempestus Scions have the most dedication of any human, with bodies conditioned to be machines for the Emperor.

Concerning the other thing—Kasrkin May be a part of the Guard, however, Scions are not a part of the Departamento Regimentos IG. They belong to a separate organization of the Astra Militarum—the Militarum Tempestus. This is in the same fashion of Bullgryns and Ratlings are a part of the Militarum Auxillia, not the Departamento Regimentos (normal regiments).

 Hawky wrote:

 Excommunicatus wrote:
Worker's Defence Force

Worker's defence force facing a Panzer division.
That reminds me of... uh... something.

#...knock, knock, knocking on the Reichstag's door...#

 Apple Peel wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
The whiney planetary shocktroops, for your information are veteran schola tempestus assult troops and veterans against fighting chaos on cadia. Your 08/15 hogwarts scions are compared to them children with guns.

And more importantly Kasrkin are not auxilia, they are generally part of assult regiments.

Kasrkin are planetary wannabes that will only fight fully for Cadia. And that’s gone.

Tempestus Scions are trained from youth in the Schola Progenium. Only the best of candidates survive the Schola. The victorious survivors then go into the true and proper Schola Tempestus, where their stormtrooper skills are taught and refined. Tempestus Scions have the most dedication of any human, with bodies conditioned to be machines for the Emperor.

Concerning the other thing—Kasrkin May be a part of the Guard, however, Scions are not a part of the Departamento Regimentos IG. They belong to a separate organization of the Astra Militarum—the Militarum Tempestus. This is in the same fashion of Bullgryns and Ratlings are a part of the Militarum Auxillia, not the Departamento Regimentos (normal regiments).

Tempestus Scions might be the best warriors the Schola Progenium might offer but... dude... when you have such silly names...

"I'm Private Potatotus, 2nd Company of 34th Betic Centaurs, Militarum Tempestus"
vs
"I'm Private Brazenballs, 1st Company of the Catachan Ork Hunters, the Imperial Guard!"
Also: "Hey, Private Potatotus. Where are your tanks? I don't see any. Oh, you don't have any? Only those ugly metal boxes? Shame..."

 Apple Peel wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
The whiney planetary shocktroops, for your information are veteran schola tempestus assult troops and veterans against fighting chaos on cadia. Your 08/15 hogwarts scions are compared to them children with guns.

And more importantly Kasrkin are not auxilia, they are generally part of assult regiments.

Kasrkin are planetary wannabes that will only fight fully for Cadia. And that’s gone.

Tempestus Scions are trained from youth in the Schola Progenium. Only the best of candidates survive the Schola. The victorious survivors then go into the true and proper Schola Tempestus, where their stormtrooper skills are taught and refined. Tempestus Scions have the most dedication of any human, with bodies conditioned to be machines for the Emperor.

Concerning the other thing—Kasrkin May be a part of the Guard, however, Scions are not a part of the Departamento Regimentos IG. They belong to a separate organization of the Astra Militarum—the Militarum Tempestus. This is in the same fashion of Bullgryns and Ratlings are a part of the Militarum Auxillia, not the Departamento Regimentos (normal regiments).

You'd find more quality in my AF militia then in your hogwarts sorcerers wannabee, no hopp along abrakadbrus scionius to your mag train line 7 3/4

Hey now. Cod Latin has been a staple of internet pretentiousness since ICQ.

Hawky wrote:

 Apple Peel wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
The whiney planetary shocktroops, for your information are veteran schola tempestus assult troops and veterans against fighting chaos on cadia. Your 08/15 hogwarts scions are compared to them children with guns.

And more importantly Kasrkin are not auxilia, they are generally part of assult regiments.

Kasrkin are planetary wannabes that will only fight fully for Cadia. And that’s gone.

Tempestus Scions are trained from youth in the Schola Progenium. Only the best of candidates survive the Schola. The victorious survivors then go into the true and proper Schola Tempestus, where their stormtrooper skills are taught and refined. Tempestus Scions have the most dedication of any human, with bodies conditioned to be machines for the Emperor.

Concerning the other thing—Kasrkin May be a part of the Guard, however, Scions are not a part of the Departamento Regimentos IG. They belong to a separate organization of the Astra Militarum—the Militarum Tempestus. This is in the same fashion of Bullgryns and Ratlings are a part of the Militarum Auxillia, not the Departamento Regimentos (normal regiments).

Tempestus Scions might be the best warriors the Schola Progenium might offer but... dude... when you have such silly names...

"I'm Private Potatotus, 2nd Company of 34th Betic Centaurs, Militarum Tempestus"
vs
"I'm Private Brazenballs, 1st Company of the Catachan Ork Hunters, the Imperial Guard!"
Also: "Hey, Private Potatotus. Where are your tanks? I don't see any. Oh, you don't have any? Only those ugly metal boxes? Shame..."

Tempestus Scions don’t even use the rank of Private. Scions also use the names of heroes of the Imperium when they are renamed. So basically any cool name you want.
Also, Scions are surgical strike commandos. Tanks are too slow.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Apple Peel wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
The whiney planetary shocktroops, for your information are veteran schola tempestus assult troops and veterans against fighting chaos on cadia. Your 08/15 hogwarts scions are compared to them children with guns.

And more importantly Kasrkin are not auxilia, they are generally part of assult regiments.

Kasrkin are planetary wannabes that will only fight fully for Cadia. And that’s gone.

Tempestus Scions are trained from youth in the Schola Progenium. Only the best of candidates survive the Schola. The victorious survivors then go into the true and proper Schola Tempestus, where their stormtrooper skills are taught and refined. Tempestus Scions have the most dedication of any human, with bodies conditioned to be machines for the Emperor.

Concerning the other thing—Kasrkin May be a part of the Guard, however, Scions are not a part of the Departamento Regimentos IG. They belong to a separate organization of the Astra Militarum—the Militarum Tempestus. This is in the same fashion of Bullgryns and Ratlings are a part of the Militarum Auxillia, not the Departamento Regimentos (normal regiments).

You'd find more quality in my AF militia then in your hogwarts sorcerers wannabee, no hopp along abrakadbrus scionius to your mag train line 7 3/4

Your militia men will run from the jaws of daemons and Xenos, but Scions are already blowing it apart with plasma. Y’all are just jealous that y’all never have the intelligence or training or the balls to put marines to shame.

Tempestus Scion regiments have survived for days after being transported to a crone world of Khorne in the Eye of Terror.

In addition, to assault roles, Scions can also be grenadiers, so Scions are more faceted and skilled than Kasrkin.


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Scions are trusted enough to be sent En mass into the Eye of Terror to scout.

The way I've always seen it is that, comparing the Astra Militarum to the US Military, the Tempestus Scions are the Marines and the Kasrkin are more akin to Army Rangers.

... That doesn't help stop the argument any, does it?

Arcanis161 wrote:
The way I've always seen it is that, comparing the Astra Militarum to the US Military, the Tempestus Scions are the Marines and the Kasrkin are more akin to Army Rangers.

... That doesn't help stop the argument any, does it?

Comparing to the US army is more difficult, but I’ve always felt that Kasrkin would be army rangers and Militarum Tempestus would be Delta Force.

Volpone Bluebloods without question.

Excuse me. Replace prior “Departamento” with “Militarum.”

 Apple Peel wrote:
Your militia men will run from the jaws of daemons and Xenos, but Scions are already blowing it apart with plasma.

That's a strange way of saying "mopping up the survivors of a month-long artillery barrage by a DKoK regiment". And lol, running. The best survivors of torture-Hogwarts get to become commissars so they can remind Krieg regiments that retreat is sometimes, under rare circumstances, an acceptable option. Come back when your HQ can hand out LD buffs to space marines.

PS: DKoK grenadiers > Militarius Trademarkus.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Apple Peel wrote:
Your militia men will run from the jaws of daemons and Xenos, but Scions are already blowing it apart with plasma.

That's a strange way of saying "mopping up the survivors of a month-long artillery barrage by a DKoK regiment". And lol, running. The best survivors of torture-Hogwarts get to become commissars so they can remind Krieg regiments that retreat is sometimes, under rare circumstances, an acceptable option. Come back when your HQ can hand out LD buffs to space marines.

PS: DKoK grenadiers > Militarius Trademarkus.

Mopping up survivors? Scions led the first strike on the world and opened up a landing zone solo.

Brags about crappy Forge World rules. Wait, where is your codex?

Krieger idiots are terrible. Wow, hur dur, we are so dumb that we waste equipment and manpower. When Commissars have to do anything more than lead the charge and say inspirational crap, then there is a problem in the regiment.

The Schola Progenium churns out more than Commissars and Scions. Sisters of Battle, Ministorum Priests, various Naval Officers, crusaders, etc, are produced by the Schola.

 Apple Peel wrote:
Mopping up survivors? Scions led the first strike on the world and opened up a landing zone solo.

I'm not sure you understand how an invasion works. Militarius Trademarkus squads can't do a damn thing solo because there's like 50 of them in the whole galaxy. They can drop in and kill some stuff, but if someone else doesn't show up to secure the area they'll just get overwhelmed and wiped out. Meanwhile a siege regiment is perfectly content to open a landing zone by deploying outside of the target and shelling an area into rubble. Except they don't really need to make a landing zone, since they can just keep shelling everything into rubble until nothing remains.

Brags about crappy Forge World rules. Wait, where is your codex?

At least we have a separate army list. Your "army" is just a page in someone else's codex, and your "codex" was so awful that one of GW's best decisions in 8th was taking it away.

Krieger idiots are terrible. Wow, hur dur, we are so dumb that we waste equipment and manpower. When Commissars have to do anything more than lead the charge and say inspirational crap, then there is a problem in the regiment.

Militarius Trademarkus: have to have commissars along to maintain morale and give inspiration, because they are cowards at heart and will fail in their duty otherwise.

Krieg guardsmen: more loyal to the Emperor than a commissar, and understand that death is much better than living as a traitor.

If you need a commissar to lead the charge then the only waste is the fact that you have been given valuable equipment instead of being stripped naked and assigned to a mine clearing detachment.

The Schola Progenium churns out more than Commissars and Scions. Sisters of Battle, Ministorum Priests, various Naval Officers, crusaders, etc, are produced by the Schola.

None of which has anything to do with which regiment is best.