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I always thought it would be cool if GW had some sort of way ( maybe codes written on bottom of the model ) to make there minis hardler to fake in a way where they are more of a collectable item. Maybe if they made there minis out of a certain mixture of materials that can proove its offical GW stuff you are getting. I dont know how you would go about it, but when when i first started this hobby, i got a bit depressed that some company in china can with out probly much difficulty make a good fake. I wish there was way where they made it harder for people to fake them is all im saying, and if there was some sort of a code written on them that would make them so much cooler then they already are, would make them truley collectable similar to Trading Card Games with rare cards, if they could do some thing like this with minis that would be awesome.


Any one know of any company's that specialize in collectable minis that are extremely hard to fake?


edit - But i guess actually its irrelevant because the paint job you do is what makes it original/ collectable and very hard to fake( so then why not just buy the fake ones and save money?, so thats why i say having confirmation that it is legit gw plastic material and not some fake crap would be awsome, even though the paint job is what makes it collectable or unqiue and hard / impossible to copy ). So i dont know what im saying but, still it would be cool just to have some sort of confirmation that what you have is legit.

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Being difficult to recast is in direct contradiction to being able to manufacture in the first place. And why does the scarcity of the model matter? This isn't a CCG where the manufacturer artificially limits production runs to get you addicted to cardboard crack, and thank god there's no sign of that ever changing.

And no, you can't prove the materials without a ton of money in lab equipment and destructive testing.

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Just because, it would feel nice knowing for e.g, lets say you buy an army off Ebay, it would be nice knowing that what you have IMO is legitimate GW plastic, and not some knock off fake. Even though you cant tell, i fell if there was a easy way for us to identify what is fake and not fake, this would make things even cooler then they already are.

And in the future if you ever wanted to sell one of your expensive models, you can be assured that its LEGIT and the buyer will be confident and it would be more collectable then also. And vise versa, if you wanted to buy a expensive model, it would be way more comforting knowing its legit GW model you are buying and not some fake.


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Being difficult to recast is in direct contradiction to being able to manufacture in the first place. And why does the scarcity of the model matter? This isn't a CCG where the manufacturer artificially limits production runs to get you addicted to cardboard crack, and thank god there's no sign of that ever changing.

And no, you can't prove the materials without a ton of money in lab equipment and destructive testing.


What about some code on the bottom, like a space marines foot, a code that is carved ( computer carved/embedded) in to the plastic so the foot remains a flat surface.


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Its fine how it is now, but im just saying, it would be neat. Like when i first started i was thinking about if every one else i would be playing against would be using cheap knock offs mean while im spending way way more money for some thing that you cant tell even the difference, sothat was anoying.

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 Stormatious wrote:
Just because, it would feel nice knowing for e.g, lets say you buy an army off Ebay, it would be nice knowing that what you have IMO is legitimate GW plastic, and not some knock off fake.


Why does it matter, if the quality is still there? You're buying a finished product, not a manufacturing chain that produced it.

And in the future if you ever wanted to sell one of your expensive models, you can be assured that its LEGIT and the buyer will be confident and it would be more collectable then also. And vise versa, if you wanted to buy a expensive model, it would be way more comforting knowing its legit GW model you are buying and not some fake.


Again, why does the buyer care? The model is still the same regardless of whose molds it came out of. As a buyer of OOP stuff I don't give a if it's a recast as long as the casting quality is as good as the original, both the original model and a recast are functionally identical for my purposes. The only issue would be that many counterfeit models are poor quality copies, but that is easily solved by inspecting the model before buying.

What about some code on the bottom, like a space marines foot, a code that is carved ( computer carved/embedded) in to the plastic so the foot remains a flat surface.


That would add additional cost to the manufacturing process while adding zero value for 99.9999999% of GW's customers. And in the unlikely event that anyone cared about it then recasters would just start adding the codes.


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 Stormatious wrote:
Its fine how it is now, but im just saying, it would be neat. Like when i first started i was thinking about if every one else i would be playing against would be using cheap knock offs mean while im spending way way more money for some thing that you cant tell even the difference, sothat was anoying.


Your life will get much easier if you stop worrying about how much someone else spent for something and just worry about your own finances.

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It doesn't matter, but it would be a great addition to what is already great if there was a way for this to be done, dont you agree it would be nice knowing if you buy some expensive model off ebay that it is a legit GW one and you can easily confirm this in some sort of way like they do with TCG?


Was just wondering also if any companys out there did this sort of thing.





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 Peregrine wrote:
 Stormatious wrote:
Just because, it would feel nice knowing for e.g, lets say you buy an army off Ebay, it would be nice knowing that what you have IMO is legitimate GW plastic, and not some knock off fake.


Why does it matter, if the quality is still there? You're buying a finished product, not a manufacturing chain that produced it.

And in the future if you ever wanted to sell one of your expensive models, you can be assured that its LEGIT and the buyer will be confident and it would be more collectable then also. And vise versa, if you wanted to buy a expensive model, it would be way more comforting knowing its legit GW model you are buying and not some fake.


Again, why does the buyer care? The model is still the same regardless of whose molds it came out of. As a buyer of OOP stuff I don't give a if it's a recast as long as the casting quality is as good as the original, both the original model and a recast are functionally identical for my purposes. The only issue would be that many counterfeit models are poor quality copies, but that is easily solved by inspecting the model before buying.

What about some code on the bottom, like a space marines foot, a code that is carved ( computer carved/embedded) in to the plastic so the foot remains a flat surface.


That would add additional cost to the manufacturing process while adding zero value for 99.9999999% of GW's customers. And in the unlikely event that anyone cared about it then recasters would just start adding the codes.


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 Stormatious wrote:
Its fine how it is now, but im just saying, it would be neat. Like when i first started i was thinking about if every one else i would be playing against would be using cheap knock offs mean while im spending way way more money for some thing that you cant tell even the difference, sothat was anoying.


Your life will get much easier if you stop worrying about how much someone else spent for something and just worry about your own finances.


Im not worried, re read what i said and then you will maybe understand that the words i used do not mean what you just said i am doing.

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 Stormatious wrote:
It doesn't matter, but it would be a great addition to what is already great if there was a way for this to be done, dont you agree it would be nice knowing if you buy some expensive model off ebay that it is a legit GW one?


If it doesn't matter then why is it a "great addition"? Either it matters or it doesn't. And no, I don't care if it's a legitimate GW model. If I have two pieces of indistinguishable resin then I don't care whose molds they came out of, I'm buying a finished product and "real GW" doesn't enhance my ability to use it. The only value "real GW" has on the secondary market would be as a guarantee of quality, and you can ensure quality by inspecting a model before you buy it.

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 Peregrine wrote:
 Stormatious wrote:
It doesn't matter, but it would be a great addition to what is already great if there was a way for this to be done, dont you agree it would be nice knowing if you buy some expensive model off ebay that it is a legit GW one?


If it doesn't matter then why is it a "great addition"? Either it matters or it doesn't. And no, I don't care if it's a legitimate GW model. If I have two pieces of indistinguishable resin then I don't care whose molds they came out of, I'm buying a finished product and "real GW" doesn't enhance my ability to use it. The only value "real GW" has on the secondary market would be as a guarantee of quality, and you can ensure quality by inspecting a model before you buy it.



I already explained why it would be a great addition. You clearly dont agree with what im saying so you dont need to start throwing words around like i am worrying about how people spend there money, i wrote why it would be a great addition, so i dont understand what your are talking about.

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 Stormatious wrote:
I already explained why it would be a great addition.


While simultaneously saying that it doesn't matter. That's a contradiction, if something doesn't matter then it can't also be a great addition because a great addition by definition matters. And if it's such a trivial addition that you can say that it doesn't matter then how can it be great? It seems like once again you've fallen into the trap of desperately defending a poorly thought out argument by any means necessary, even if you have to contradict yourself to do it, instead of just conceding that it was a bad idea and walking away.

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 Peregrine wrote:
 Stormatious wrote:
I already explained why it would be a great addition.


While simultaneously saying that it doesn't matter. That's a contradiction, if something doesn't matter then it can't also be a great addition because a great addition by definition matters. And if it's such a trivial addition that you can say that it doesn't matter then how can it be great? It seems like once again you've fallen into the trap of desperately defending a poorly thought out argument by any means necessary, even if you have to contradict yourself to do it, instead of just conceding that it was a bad idea and walking away.


I said it doesn't matter, but added words after that explaining why it would be a great addition. Sorry you dont understand and think all i wrote was a blanket statement saying it doesn't matter, cant help you if you dont understand.

I am not looking for meaning less arguments with you as usual, if you dont understand or agree thats all you need to explain, instead of throwing all these words around that are nothing less then argumentative.


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 Peregrine wrote:
 Stormatious wrote:
I already explained why it would be a great addition.


While simultaneously saying that it doesn't matter. That's a contradiction, if something doesn't matter then it can't also be a great addition because a great addition by definition matters. And if it's such a trivial addition that you can say that it doesn't matter then how can it be great? It seems like once again you've fallen into the trap of desperately defending a poorly thought out argument by any means necessary, even if you have to contradict yourself to do it, instead of just conceding that it was a bad idea and walking away.


Iv fallen in to no trap, i didn't make a blanket statement saying it doesn't matter, i added after saying that why it would be GREAT addition even though it doesn't actualy matter. You seem to not understand that and instead want to just argue pointless meaningless arguments. Sorry you fail to understand what i fell most people would understand, and certainly not make an unwarranted argumentative posts like you have been doing so far,

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It'd be weird if anything if they did. Recasting is an issue in the industry, but not one so endemic to the consumer (obviously barring the knock on effect it has on the producer) that anyone should require a record of authenticity. As long as the substance is to a certain standard its going to make no difference when painted up. As could any substance or markings which a manufacturer may use be replicated by a third party -considering that they would likely have the same technology elsewhere (even the major companies in the modelling industry are still niche, so I don't see them investing in some form of manufacturing which would be unique to themselves). Any process like those you've mentioned would either be ineffectual, cost prohibitive or both. Look at video game DRM and how fast that's cracked as a comparison.

Though comparing a wargaming figure to the scarcity of a trading card seems odd. Maybe with artificially scarce figures like limited releases, but not your average kit. A box of Space Marines is the same as a Panzer IV from Tamiya. They're massed produced model kits which Games Workshop and other companies just happens to have put a value to due to them also being used as wargaming pieces. All I'm looking for on a sprue is a big letter in the corner to indicate where the parts are in the instruction manual, and at a stretch a product code if I need to order copies. Otherwise a massive unique authenticity identifier is going to mean nothing to me without some app or paperwork to confirm it, which again, is way too much effort for the sorts of business we're talking about here.

 
   
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 Wyrmalla wrote:
It'd be weird if anything if they did. Recasting is an issue in the industry, but not one so endemic to the consumer (obviously barring the knock on effect it has on the producer) that anyone should require a record of authenticity. As long as the substance is to a certain standard its going to make no difference when painted up. As could any substance or markings which a manufacturer may use be replicated by a third party -considering that they would likely have the same technology elsewhere (even the major companies in the modelling industry are still niche, so I don't see them investing in some form of manufacturing which would be unique to themselves). Any process like those you've mentioned would either be ineffectual, cost prohibitive or both. Look at video game DRM and how fast that's cracked as a comparison.

Though comparing a wargaming figure to the scarcity of a trading card seems odd. Maybe with artificially scarce figures like limited releases, but not your average kit. A box of Space Marines is the same as a Panzer IV from Tamiya. They're massed produced model kits which Games Workshop and other companies just happens to have put a value to due to them also being used as wargaming pieces. All I'm looking for on a sprue is a big letter in the corner to indicate where the parts are in the instruction manual, and at a stretch a product code if I need to order copies. Otherwise a massive unique authenticity identifier is going to mean nothing to me without some app or paperwork to confirm it, which again, is way too much effort for the sorts of business we're talking about here.


Thank you for your polite, understanding thought out non combative argumentative response. Yes i agree, maybe not all models, but certain specific models atleast would be neat also, but as i say it doesn't matter at the end of the day but it would be a great addition/neat thing to have, even if its just certain models.

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Beyond making scalping marginally more profitable I don't see what benefit including miniature DRM or authenticity certificates could provide. If someone is so determined to get authentic GW sculpts they could either inspect the model before buying or get in NIB/on sprue.

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 TheCustomLime wrote:
Beyond making scalping marginally more profitable I don't see what benefit including miniature DRM or authenticity certificates could provide. If someone is so determined to get authentic GW sculpts they could either inspect the model before buying or get in NIB/on sprue.



Wouldn't you rather if you were buying a specific model, lets say Magnus the red off ebay, wouldn't you rather know it is legit GW plastic instead of a knock off copy?. I thought most people would feel like i do and rather have it known that it is legit GW plastic.


Thanks.

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Doesn't forgeworld provide authenticity certificates for their really expensive kits?

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 Gordon Shumway wrote:
Doesn't forgeworld provide authenticity certificates for their really expensive kits?


Technically, but it's more of a cool fluff thing (referencing the fact that major units have their serial numbers stored in the archives of Mars) to know that you have Warhound titan #9949. It's not like there's anything tying the piece of paper to a particular kit, or anything about the cheap printout that would be hard to duplicate.

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Gordon Shumway wrote:Doesn't forgeworld provide authenticity certificates for their really expensive kits?


Only for things like Titans.

Stormatious wrote:
 TheCustomLime wrote:
Beyond making scalping marginally more profitable I don't see what benefit including miniature DRM or authenticity certificates could provide. If someone is so determined to get authentic GW sculpts they could either inspect the model before buying or get in NIB/on sprue.



Wouldn't you rather if you were buying a specific model, lets say Magnus the red off ebay, wouldn't you rather know it is legit GW plastic instead of a knock off copy?. I thought most people would feel like i do and rather have it known that it is legit GW plastic.


Thanks.


You won't be confused/fooled by knock offs of non-FW stuff. Every recast of GW's plastics I've seen are done in resin. If your eBay Magnus is plastic, it's not a knock off.

If you're that worried about it, just don't buy anything from China or Russia.

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 Stormatious wrote:
Wouldn't you rather if you were buying a specific model, lets say Magnus the red off ebay, wouldn't you rather know it is legit GW plastic instead of a knock off copy?. I thought most people would feel like i do and rather have it known that it is legit GW plastic.


Why would anyone care, assuming that the plastic is indistinguishable from the legitimate GW kit? How does your knowledge of which molds the plastic came out of change your use of the product? Does it magically increase your painting skill because it is authentic? Does a counterfeit kit roll more 1s when you play a game with it?

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As do I suspect any Limited releases or more expensive models (at least they used to, but with price increases I doubt it now) come with a record of authenticity. "You bought Titan number 1002". Which could be included with any purchase. That seems much simpler than adding a unique identifier to every sprue - let alone individual model pieces. Which is to say that yes, if you're buying a mode pre-assembled without a sprue with that identifier on it, then that would be a risk you'd have to take - assuming that the record of authenticity weren't provided. Even if one were it would require an electronic barcode or something to confirm that wasn't faked.

...And in any of these cases it all could be subverted pretty simply. Again, at least without a company having to seriously invest in technology which would likely be expensive, and in many cases pointless to all but a subset of customers. People out there are going to care if their model's authentic, but I doubt the majority of the market would. Given the thriving business the counterfeit miniatures sector is doing (I'm not specifically referring to Games Workshop products. Plenty of 1/6th scale sculpture are forged as well for instance).

In cases of a sale a record of authenticity could matter, otherwise it would be a purely personal thing (well, you could care about the company as well). Its not like most people would pull out their models and then also a receipt to prove they're real (god, could you imagine wargames clubs enforcing having receipts to play with your models...). Of course I'm looking at this from a standpoint of someone who neither plays in any wargames shops or tournaments. I play games where there's no defined manufacturer's list, or just make the figures myself. Nobody's going to turn their nose up in my group if you don't have some branded figures.

Edit: I started typing this before the discussion on Foreworld identifying cards happened. ;P

Edit: Edit: And yes, this discussion will predictably fall into the realms of arguing the morals of recasting. In which case I'll state my usual point- the average customer doesn't care. They'd be happy to see the world burn if they got their product cheaper then lament afterwards. Its all about making small concessions as to what you're doing isn't so bad, or someone else will pick up the slack for you purchasing a forgery. Certain markets of course have shown that forgeries have put the real company out of business, though so far Games Workshop and similar businesses (say Privateer Press) have a strong enough fan base to prevent that happening on an endemic scale as happens in other miniatures sectors.

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 Stormatious wrote:
 TheCustomLime wrote:
Beyond making scalping marginally more profitable I don't see what benefit including miniature DRM or authenticity certificates could provide. If someone is so determined to get authentic GW sculpts they could either inspect the model before buying or get in NIB/on sprue.



Wouldn't you rather if you were buying a specific model, lets say Magnus the red off ebay, wouldn't you rather know it is legit GW plastic instead of a knock off copy?. I thought most people would feel like i do and rather have it known that it is legit GW plastic.


Thanks.


In cases like this you need to apply judgement. If it's like $50 and the seller is in Hong Kong/Russia then, yeah, it's pretty obvious that it's a resin recast. But if it's clearly HIPS then it is like 99.9999% likely to be an authentic model as that kind of plastic is not cheap at all to make molds for. In cases where the model is badly painted well... you're kind of gambling no matter what you do. So, buyer beware and all that.

In the case of FW models I'd just recommend not buying them second hand off ebay unless you get a good price. There's no way you could tell it's a recast unless you inspected it in person even if GW somehow added miniature DRM.

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 Peregrine wrote:
 Stormatious wrote:
Wouldn't you rather if you were buying a specific model, lets say Magnus the red off ebay, wouldn't you rather know it is legit GW plastic instead of a knock off copy?. I thought most people would feel like i do and rather have it known that it is legit GW plastic.


Why would anyone care, assuming that the plastic is indistinguishable from the legitimate GW kit? How does your knowledge of which molds the plastic came out of change your use of the product? Does it magically increase your painting skill because it is authentic? Does a counterfeit kit roll more 1s when you play a game with it?


It doesn't matter or no one should care, but wouldn't it be a nice addition to know if you bought Magnus some where off the internet, that you knew the expensive highly detailed model is offical GW product?. Even if the buyer doesn't strip the paint, wouldn't it be good lets say in 50 years to know that his expensive model is legitimate GW product ultimitatly making it more special in terms of legitmacy, and it would have the added bonus of being worth alot more in the future compared to a knock off, that would just be nice feeling to have i would think most people would agree overall that this would be a nice addition.


At the start when i entered the hobby i cared alot more, but then i realised it doesn't actually matter, but this doesn't mean it would not be a excellent Addition to what is already great.


Thank you have a good day.


Stormatious.

edit - I mean i dont care at all now. But i think it would still be an excellent addition. And was hoping there was companys that specialized in this area because it would be neat to buy them as well as a side thing but still continueing to BUY GW and continue what i am doing now.


Edit - Who cares stuff it, i thought people would agree, particularly for expensive high end models. Just delete this thread if you want. Sorry for this mess.

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 Stormatious wrote:
It doesn't matter or no one should care, but wouldn't it be a nice addition to know if you bought Magnus some where off the internet, that you knew the expensive highly detailed model is offical GW product?


Could you please make up your mind? If it's a nice addition then why doesn't it matter and why shouldn't we care? You can't have it both ways, claiming that it's a nice addition but then dismissing criticism of your reasons with "it doesn't matter".

And, again, what practical consequence is there of it being an authentic GW kit? Assuming the production quality is indistinguishable from GW's own production runs then how does my use of the product change depending on whether or not the serial number confirms that it is authentic?


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As an example, I bought a FW event-only death rider commissar a while back. It's one of my favorite models, and the casting quality is flawless. Is it a legitimate FW kit or a recast? Who knows. But if I can't answer that question based on the quality of the product itself then why should I care? Regardless of its origin I'm going to paint it and play with it exactly the same way, and nothing would change if someone told me the answer. Likewise, I don't give a about any collector value. If FW decided to make it a normal production item tomorrow I'd be perfectly happy, and probably buy a couple more for conversions.

Also, if you're buying models with any thoughts about how much they're going to be worth in the future you're making a mistake with your money. Buy stuff because it has practical value, whether painting or playing, to you right now and consider that money spent permanently. Who knows if GW models will retain any value in the long run. They might be worth something, or they might be garbage heaped in the $1 bin at a garage sale in 50 years. Worrying about it either way is a waste of your time.

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Oh god peregrine, i dont know. Let me try explain on a percentage level. It doesn't matter 99%, but theres 1% where it would be a nice addition. And that 1% would be a nice 1%. What Gordan said about FW certificates etc sounds great, but as you say even thats easily duplicated, so i do really wish there was a way where it was harder to duplicate, but it really doesn't matter at all lol which makes no sense to you, i hope you sort of understand though.

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 Stormatious wrote:
It doesn't matter 99%, but theres 1% where it would be a nice addition.


Then it isn't a nice addition, it's a waste of GW's time and effort that provides no return on their investment.

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 Peregrine wrote:
 Stormatious wrote:
It doesn't matter or no one should care, but wouldn't it be a nice addition to know if you bought Magnus some where off the internet, that you knew the expensive highly detailed model is offical GW product?


Could you please make up your mind? If it's a nice addition then why doesn't it matter and why shouldn't we care? You can't have it both ways, claiming that it's a nice addition but then dismissing criticism of your reasons with "it doesn't matter".

And, again, what practical consequence is there of it being an authentic GW kit? Assuming the production quality is indistinguishable from GW's own production runs then how does my use of the product change depending on whether or not the serial number confirms that it is authentic?


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As an example, I bought a FW event-only death rider commissar a while back. It's one of my favorite models, and the casting quality is flawless. Is it a legitimate FW kit or a recast? Who knows. But if I can't answer that question based on the quality of the product itself then why should I care? Regardless of its origin I'm going to paint it and play with it exactly the same way, and nothing would change if someone told me the answer. Likewise, I don't give a about any collector value. If FW decided to make it a normal production item tomorrow I'd be perfectly happy, and probably buy a couple more for conversions.

Also, if you're buying models with any thoughts about how much they're going to be worth in the future you're making a mistake with your money. Buy stuff because it has practical value, whether painting or playing, to you right now and consider that money spent permanently. Who knows if GW models will retain any value in the long run. They might be worth something, or they might be garbage heaped in the $1 bin at a garage sale in 50 years. Worrying about it either way is a waste of your time.


Yeah who cares, i just thought it was a nice thought, but it really doesn't matter at all so who cares, i shouldn't have made this damn thread.

But im not worried at all or any thing like that. But yeah, if i could have the option to buy a GW proven product off ebay compared to a knock off unproven one, i would choose the provable obviously, and just the thought of knowing its not a knock off is a nice feeling in my opinion.

But yeah it doesn't matter who cares.

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I think the problem with the suggestion that the OP isn't getting is that there's a non-trivial amount of effort required to create some sort of proof of authenticity that, ultimately, just isn't important. This is for two reasons.

1. Counterfeiting isn't such a huge problem that we need a system to prove authenticity. I'm not saying you won't find fakes of pretty much any GW model you care to look for but to the average buyer counterfeit products just aren't a concern.

2. A much more effective protection against buying fake models is the tiniest amount of research on the part of the purchaser. To take the Magnus example, any plastic Magnus is going to be genuine because the cost to produce plastic is so high a counterfeiting operation isn't going to be doing it. In the case of a model that's normally produced in metal or resin, a small amount of research about where you're purchasing from is usually enough to find out if a model is genuine.
   
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Most recasts are due to the nature of the wayGW sells models and especially Special weapons are an issue. Take a look at the Reaper chaincannon and you will understand why it get's so far.
Basically GW is out of sales interest restricting the service and has singlehandedly driven the market for recasts there.


Secondly, as soon as the Passport (at the time called Passa Porte) was introduced in the medieval era so soon started people faking it and it's security meassures.


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I do not think there would be any value for it, If i am buying a mini from someone. Its ether packaged, or cheep.
With an exception to paint quality given, ether really cheep or i am paying for the paint and the miniature authenticity is far from a realistic thought i would be having.

I am not even sure how they would do it, I do not really want them to put more paper in there boxes to just throw out for over 99% of the buyers.
And once glued and painted how would a mark even show.
   
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Yeah fair enough.

Thanks!.

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 Stormatious wrote:
Just because, it would feel nice knowing for e.g, lets say you buy an army off Ebay, it would be nice knowing that what you have IMO is legitimate GW plastic, and not some knock off fake.


I know, right.

Imagine if you paid full price for a model only to find out that it was made out of a crappy, brittle resin that was prone to bubbling and breaking.

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 insaniak wrote:

You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.

Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
 
   
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 vipoid wrote:
 Stormatious wrote:
Just because, it would feel nice knowing for e.g, lets say you buy an army off Ebay, it would be nice knowing that what you have IMO is legitimate GW plastic, and not some knock off fake.


I know, right.

Imagine if you paid full price for a model only to find out that it was made out of a crappy, brittle resin that was prone to bubbling and breaking.


Yeah exactly thats a good point too, dont want it to break easily thats for sure.

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