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chigwell, essex

*please note that as with my bfg thread this is upcycled from another forum so please ignore anything that seems either hideously out of date or does not make sense as this is a collation of several posts...

"going into that droppod? droppod goes into the warzone? sharks in the warzone... space sharks..."
major Quint of the 111st Royston Rifles imperial guard



to open let me explain via two points:

first. the space marine is dead. long live the space marine.
yes primaris are here and is totally worth the wait if you ask me!

second. space sharks...
yes carcharadon astra themselves reborn in primaris marines.
ok, I've been funting around with 40k since around 96! I began with the little rtb01 marines and then went onto second edition marines eventally settling on guard forces from thereon in.
I never went back to marines as I felt the scale issue (presented by so many 40k stories) was all too apparent when you've got a guard who is sometimes taller than the marine he's fighting with...

I practically bounced up and down with joy when the primaris marines were released as I can finally field a unit of allied marines that dont look ludicrously out of scale with my guard.

so why space sharks?

to be honest I'm a sucker for moncromatic colourschemes. I practically see the world in black and white and this is evident in the dark and brooding colourschemes I've used on almost every force I've painted (aside from bfg and my doomguy themed cadians that is). it is the 'dark Imperium' after all...
also they hark back to those heady teen days of the rogue trader marines and i'm an even bigger sucker for nostalgia!

so with this in mind I set about converting a squad of intercessors from the dark imperium set (ebay)
these models are great and to be honest are part of the reason I'm back on 40k again. these models (much like the genestealer cultists set) are designed to go together a specific way in a set pose but in doing so capture all the character and design beauty that I miss from the days of white metal minitures. that's not to say that I'm against multipart kits that can be posed any way. the tactical marines and cadians have tons of character but there are too army examples of models where the plastic replacements are just abhorrent. just look at the transition between the metal 90's scouts to the plastic set. argh! horrid! all the character was lost for me. these set pose jobbies (like the spacehulk and even to a lesser extent the assault on black reach models) retain that artistry I love and most fondly remember from my 40k past.
still I digress.

space sharks... my limited knowledge of them is +/- thus: crazy-assed porcelian white skinned nutters with a penchant for chain weapons that have been lurking around in the background of 40k since bitch slapping the mantis warriors in the badab war. they prefer stealth untill they reach their objective/target where upon the set upon the enemy with barely contained ferocity all in complete silence. leaving a trail of blood and carnage in their wake and disappearing just as fast. in fact their savagery would possibly give a world eater a run for his money and they're on our side! they mostly wear corvus and heresy marks of armour and have a lot of termies too.

great! all I needed was to convert these primaris to look a bit more oldskool:

as you can see this intercessor sgt has mk6 lid and pads and a phobos pattern bolter.
the colorscheme is mecanicus grey with skavenblight dinge parts (knees, bellyplates, ankle and elbow etc..) and black pads/eagle. I took some cues from aiden daley's storm hawk primaris (wd aug 2017) and used the same highlight colours all over to better blend the mini. also did similar chips/weathering along every highlighted edge. with the pockets and kit I went for olive green as its similar in tone to the grey but adds a real tactical look to it. the savage looking combat knives handily come from the kroot sprue. these kroot bits are a fantastic addition to spacesharks as they have the tribal look and large hooks (originally used for housing kroot lunch gibs) which add to the whole shark/fishy feel. scout chest rig kit further shows off the scale and adds to the aformentioned tactical look.
you can see I have altered the chapter symbol to represent a swimming shark viewed from above. (time and ease of painting were the reason for this and in truth I much prefer the simplistic look) I have included the red stripe on the lid as on the classic scheme but I'm thinking of using that as a denotation of rank/veterancy.

this is but the first and will be followed by the other four. one will have mk5 style armour (using more of the studs and a converted centurion head) and there will be another mk6. I'll be swapping out this guy's backpack for a mk6 one from the assault marine set (I'll do the same on the other mk6 and the mk5 too) to better complete the truescale effect I'm going for. will probably try to get hold of the holstered chainswords from the mk3 hh models to add too. but they can be added any time in the future...

I lavished a lot of time and effort on this and to be honest this is the best painting I've ever done to date. as such it even got a mention in white dwarf, so, yay!, another childhood dream fulfilled!
so here, have a shamelessly over-edited glamour shot:
Spoiler:



better images are better... and bigger...

I've not been this excited and enthused by 40k since 3rd edition! its an odd feeling and has clearly empowered me to do better...


I took this shot out of pure whymsy so thought I would put this on here too. shows the intercessor in a bit more context. standing in a ruined monastery with one of my guard from the 111st Royston rifles.

also here is a wip of the mk5 guy I mentioned above.

chainbayonets! YAY!


more:

yep gak photography but I could care less. I'd sooner be painting/converting than taking pics...

conversion work to emulate classic stuff is quite extensive. any queries on parts/methods and stuff and I'm more than happy to answer...

and heres some wip of whats coming soon(well soon ish...)

top row right to left: mk3 guy with converted bolter (tigrus to rt-era lookalike), mk4 guy with tigrus bolter and more subtle studs, mk7 (second ed) guy with phobos bolter and holstered chainsword (totally inspired from that classic artwork by kev walker), mk7 guy with chainsword and holstered 3rd ed bolter (pose clearly stolen from gk's castellan crowe, but general pose idea came from spacemarine video game so expect a splattering of gorno on this dude).
bottom row left to right: mk7 (second ed inspired again) guy with second ed bolter (feat. 3rd ed magazine assembly), mk5 guy, with 3rd ed bolter with box mag from cawl boltfifle. also includes converted holstered chainaxe on belt (more on that later), mk6 guy tataros legs, mk6 torso and lid, sos umbra bolter, the rest is primaris. (this guy is based on the Bourne ultimatum dvd cover), mk7 guy, with knife and 'slung' bolter (using kroot strap, and 3rd ed bolter, made a week before the fancy new infiltrators did the exact same thing LOL)

hard as nails sgt with in mk3 with chainaxe and classic rt era bolter! chest plate is from tataros termies
(pose inspired by drax from gotg, as originally with two chainaxes, but swapped one out for the bolter converted from the sm commander combi-bolter, inspired from 30k era illustrations from 'the first heretic' book i recently read for the first time...)

fyi, the mk7 heads are actually mk8 heads from the deathwatch sprue as the slimline faceplates fit in with the high gorget of the intercessor plate with very little, if any, interference

reivers:

went in a different direction with these. even more rt era looking! the heads are all ravenwing biker mk6 with the da stuff shaved off (for the coms aerial tactical look!), the single pad is swapped out for the classic studded pad. (this I feel keeps the more slimline look of the phobos armour when compared to the studded pads on my full armour conversions) the bolters are from shapeways and I love them! rt looking but modern detail aesthetics. may swap out the mk4 backpacks for something more rt era looking soon.
couldn't resist some cool poses like the twin pistol john woo guy and the double handed pistol guy, from the new infiltrators set (funny thing, I converted this pose and the new set came out two days later. so I logically replaced my naff attempt with this proper version of it!)

reivers, master sgt hall.
as you can see I've done a bit of painting on him already, mainly to see what the bolter painted up like and to see if the helmet-less head works, which I think it does for the sector's strongest marine...

more with actual photography soon(?)

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Hmm, maybe also fill up the gaps in the Reivers' lower legs?

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chigwell, essex

ah, no, I like the bicycle clip look! lol.

anyway, I actually got round to paining sgt. Hall this weekend, here is a crappy/blurry montage shot:


As you can see I've changed the backpack out for a shapeways print thats more of a rt-era looking dealie. its nice and slimline and (like the bolter) adds an aura of oldskoolness that I wanted. the whole squad of five is kitted out with these and some changes have been made to the poses/loadout. (twin pistol is gone and the single handed pose is gone) I've done a nice grenade throwing pose and an 'advancing' one in their stead. the mk3 guy's got a better chainaxe now too (another print)... more on those soon...

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Lovely work - well done

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chigwell, essex

thanks!
so, heres some wip shots of of some of the things I mentioned above:


the new chainaxe on the mk3 guy

grenade slinging beakie

rework of the two handed pistol pose to actually use the original body. (quite tricky to get the slung bolter right but totally worth it)

this guy uses the same body as the one above, reworked to look like he's advancing under fire or something...

the next two are a couple of ideas to do mk7 inspired reivers.

this ones doing a leaping punch because lets face it, marines are pretty violent, space sharks even more so...

this one's performin an execution with his bolt pistol.

originally I was considering doing these two with jump packs. hence the death from above kinda poses, still unsure at present. if successfull would do a whole squad of five, perhaps with a flamer in there too and definitely a couple with chain weapons! what do you guys think though?
   
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nice work there, I like them

 
   
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chigwell, essex

so more wip!

I decided to add some hq into the mix and was thinking about something along the lines of a smash-captain but primaris.
I figured that a thunderhammer was not the typical weapon of a space-shark so I pondered awhile and played with some bits:

the 'slash'-captain was born.
ok, I went a bit ape on the studs even on the jumppack as I wanted a real mk5 oldskool look.
also the body is a mix of reiver torso with intercessor legs/arms. its a good mix imho actually...

the head is one I had previously on a regular marine but I've swapped his head out for one of kromlech's "bedlam fraternity" lids instead.

although intended for chaos noise marines the pack features some interesting archaic looking variations on beakie and heresy type lids. a bit of trimming and gs to reduce the chaotic nature somewhat and the lids look great to suggest older marks of imperial marine armour. this one especially looks very sharky with its toothy 'grin' made of grills. more soon..? I dunno... I may even get a paintbrush to some of these one day LOL

thinking of using the new palatine enforcers as scouts but still unsure about this...

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Cool stuff. These guys have a lot of character. I like the additions of the studs. What are they made from?

-Rids

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chigwell, essex

 The Riddle of Steel wrote:
Cool stuff. These guys have a lot of character. I like the additions of the studs. What are they made from?

-Rids


Thanks Rids! The studs are 1.5mm(? I think will check) half round beads from Hobbycraft but were bought a LONG Time ago. I can't say for sure you can still get these ones but I've more than plenty so can always send some over...

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chigwell, essex


palanite (tine? whatever; poor mans arbites, lol) enforcers do make nice bases for scouts!

simple job. swap out the weaps, heads and equipment and you got something!

I shaved the shoulders smooth 1, because it changes the profile/appearance somewhat and 2, the join front and back on the kit makes the ridges on the shoulders look atrocious imho.
the shotgun guy is awaiting his bit of guitar wire as on the pistol dude.

these are very wip but any suggestions are welcome.

some might say, why bother, just buy scouts but come on man, look at those poses. much more tacticool and the transition between the metal scouts to plastic was a major downgrade as far as I was concerned. these new enforcers have all the attention to detail and character the original metal scouts had and as such make ideal conversion fodder! plus that chest panel is just crying out for a chapter symbol its practically intended for it no?
   
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 osjclatchford wrote:
 The Riddle of Steel wrote:
Cool stuff. These guys have a lot of character. I like the additions of the studs. What are they made from?

-Rids


Thanks Rids! The studs are 1.5mm(? I think will check) half round beads from Hobbycraft but were bought a LONG Time ago. I can't say for sure you can still get these ones but I've more than plenty so can always send some over...


Check eBay for “1mm half round nail art beads” and they’ll be a heck of a lot cheaper than hobbycraft!

Love the Scouts. Better than the stock models of either of their parent kits!

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chigwell, essex

@ johnnyhell, thanks for the nailbead info. will use those for sure. smaller radius ones would be ideal for my reivers and perhaps these scouts! also nice comments regarding the scouts, cheers!

@Bschwi1 cheers!

I know its a bit maniacal to get the models, convert them and post them online on the day of release but to be fair, I had pre-ordered them with this conversion intention in mind. Ive been looking at the sprues online and going through the bitzbox working out what I could do when they arrived so needless to say it did not take long! LOL
   
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I've been trying to figure out what Primaris scouts would look like, using Necro Palatinites is a stroke of genius! Oh, and since I've been lurking up to now: love the project, Space Sharks are bae, especially when they're bigger and badder like these lads. Keep up the great work.

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chigwell, essex

thanks bosssalvage! nice of you to say said but its not really genius in truth, Im just doing what everyone is thinking...

more scouty wip stuff:


heres the three latest, silenced bolt pistol, heavy bolter and silenced bolter.
note the holstered shotgun on the pistol guy. also note what an absolute cow-son the heavy bolter was to fudge onto a palanite enforcer (but worth it in the end?) I used the catachan heavy team pointing arm to fill the gap so-to-speak and it fortuitously features a shark-tooth trinket so all ended up well. the drum mag (and spare on belt) comes from a cadian 'nade launcher and mirrors the drum mag on the smaller bolter. the silencers were fashioned from imperial guard tank smoke launchers for a bit of a more high-techy look but regular tube/rod would have done I suppose... as with the other two I've added guitar wire detail and equipment and heads from the scout sprue to 'scout-it-up' as best I could. I'm happy and if nothing else this is proof it can be done.

yes abysmal shots but its wip so these god-awful smartphone snaps is all you get for now...

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Great stuff man. I never understood the whole Silenced bolt weapons, sneaking around........ Then they stick the fat kid with the Heavy Bolter into the unit who just goes and blows their position away. Great, thanks Karl......

   
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chigwell, essex

megalols! its crazy but whattayagonnado? put a silencer on a heavy bolter? (and yes I considered this but come on man, its a heavy. its gotta be loud) same goes for the shotguns, thats why i've got the guy with the slung shotty, wielding the silenced pistol. I guess the others sneak and snipe and stab their way through the unsuspecting enemies and sentries whilst the heavyweapon dude (hithrto referred to as karl...) and the shotgunners don't engage until silent cover is no longer required. and yes, I know you can, technically, also silence a shotgun but I think thats mad too.

oh, and coming soon:


please note i've put better pics of the scouts in the post above now...
   
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That is some serious chipping and scuff marks on your hatch. Can't say it'd pass inspection in a guard army Gonna do any Markings on it?

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chigwell, essex

Yeah it looks kinda ott to be honest. It's an experiment in translating my infantry colourscheme over to a vehicle. In this case a converted MK1 rh1n0! It may or may not work but will look very different to all the other tank armour I've ever painted. This will give it a bit of a graphic novel/manga style to it, I think. which is good for 1980's inspired marines.
and yes I know that primaris don't exactly fit in a rhino (and cant in the rules as primaris) but my marines are pretty much just truescale conversions, especially when you look at the war-gear they carry. so yeah, although a mk2 rhino chassis looks kinda small compared to a primaris sized infantry figure, a second or third edition marine looks kinda oversized next to an original '88 mk1 rhino chassis vehicle. yet we were stuck with mk1 rhinos for 14 years and three and a half editions!

I'm definitely out of my comfort zone painting wise but I hear that's good for you and I want it to match the marines so...

No marking on this door but the round side hatches will have the chapter logo on them.

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I love all of this, keep up the awesome work!

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 osjclatchford wrote:
Yeah it looks kinda ott to be honest.


What? No way! It's great! It looks seriously worn and battle scarred. Like it's been on a gruelling campaign for a while. It suits your Space Sharks great.

You can always put your scouts in the Rhino......
   
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chigwell, essex

duh! *slaps forehead* what a dinkle I am, thats a great (and should have been obvious to me) solution.

anyway, progress:

more soon...

any queries about parts and conversion or whatever, just ask...

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Love your swimming shark icon, aesthetically and metaphorically much more compelling than the derpy face-on official shark.

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Yeah that's a much better icon for sure!

   
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Oh my, that's going to be a great looking force. Nice posing, looks natural and convincing. Always nice to see proper beakies and RT influences.

Have you thought about doing terminators yet?

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That's some really good kit bashing mate, I like what you've done, and you're right, it's what we've all been thinking but didn't do !

Do you have any pics of how the scouts compare size wise to the Primaris ?

   
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chigwell, essex

wow! thanks be to you all, to answer your specific questions

@ bosssalvage and Gwyn chan 'r Gwwyll
thank you for the kind words regarding the logo. I've actually been umming and ashing about wether or not its good enough but you've made me feel a whole lot better now!

@ sherrypie
yes, I have thought of doing terminators. however I've a lot to get painted before I buy anything new (Yeah, sure thats gonna happen! LOL) thinking about using aggressor/terminator hybrids but that may not work as I'd like it too. all other methods will either be too costly (converting fw custodian termies? madness) or require too much skill (gs is for filling gaps as far as I'm concerned!)

@big H
once Ive got one done I'll do it, but in a nutshell, pretty short! they are taller than regular scouts/marines because they are properly proportioned but yeah, not as tall as the primaris which I think works fine for scouts.


what we need now are primaris bikes. and no not hover bikes, real bikes with wheels. (not that I think that will happen. if they do bikes for primaris you can be sure that they will do the stupid hover crap they've put on all primaris vehicles. I mean come on man the repulsor etc looks simply absurd! awful awful model and concept a tank is a tank, a landspeeder is a landspeeder not that hideous land-raider-speeder urgh!
I've always felt that the whole point of the space marine aesthetic was a certain utilitarian brutality. its blunt aggressive and, although technologically advanced, stylistically simple in design. essentially if it aint broke don't fix it.

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It's a bit sad aggressors are just so derpy, not sure if they'd make good base models for termies even with a lot of surgery :/

Apologist made great termies out of the custodian ones, but they are expensive.

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chigwell, essex

Yeah they dont work too well with termie bits on after all... As for apologist, he's my hero when it comes to guard and truescale marine stuff... None of my stuff would exist without his influence...
   
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