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I got an old metal hellhound turret and it has some browing on it.
Does that mean it is lead? I personally do not wanna work with a lead model anywhere near me.
If someone can help me, that would be great.

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No, pewter doesn't rust, and neither does lead. They can oxidise, which is the same process that leads to rust on iron, but rust is exclusively something that occurs in ferrous metals.

All they really do is darken and tarnish.

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 Azreal13 wrote:
No, pewter doesn't rust, and neither does lead. They can oxidise, which is the same process that leads to rust on iron, but rust is exclusively something that occurs in ferrous metals.

All they really do is darken and tarnish.

Then what would the red stuff on the model be?

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Old paint most likely.

Could be from paint stripping - show us a photo.

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I'd say that's from paint stripping and is just a tiny bit of staining/paint that didn't quite fully come off. If it bothers you give it a second paint stripping, but it looks fine enough/staining enough that you can just spray right over it without any issues what so ever.

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I mean, looking it up, it looks like GW stopped useing lead before this was made.
I was just curious/wondering, I have say thing before in metal models, and i buy alot

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It might just be whoever or whatever they paint stripped it with wasn't done as strongly- considering that its attached to plastic they might have been more conservative to avoid plastic melting issues (some stripping chemicals are fine on metal but can react with plastic or can react if left in it for too long).

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Look, this isn't an opinion it's a matter of scientific fact.

Lead doesn't rust. When it oxidises it turns from a silvery shiny finish to black. Ergo the red staining is not as a result of lead, even if it is present in the metal.

End of story.

It's probably the uranium.

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 Azreal13 wrote:
Look, this isn't an opinion it's a matter of scientific fact.

Lead doesn't rust. When it oxidises it turns from a silvery shiny finish to black. Ergo the red staining is not as a result of lead, even if it is present in the metal.

End of story.

It's probably the uranium.

I know, Thanks for telling me that.
I just never saw this before.

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Red paint?

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 Azreal13 wrote:
Red paint?

I mean, I guess.
I can useually tell when a model was stripped, but this didnt look like a strip job to me. I was just being cautious is all which is why i posted it.

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Having dealt with a lot of old pewter - it happens. It happens to unpainted pewter some times. Not sure what it is, but it's completely normal. I've had it happen to stuff new from GW (old stock, like 15 years or more). Don't worry about it.

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 Elbows wrote:
Having dealt with a lot of old pewter - it happens. It happens to unpainted pewter some times. Not sure what it is, but it's completely normal. I've had it happen to stuff new from GW (old stock, like 15 years or more). Don't worry about it.

PS: You have like seven days to live, tops.

I guess I never encountered it.
Also, I only have seven days to live cause of that VHS tape

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Point of note:

It's an alloy, not pure "lead" to start with. These "white metal alloys" (WMAs) often contained lead but also other metals, like tin, bismuth, antimony, etc to aid in casting and flow control as well as detail retention.
The old hellhound immolator cannon dates from the mid 90s, when GW had already shifted to "lead free" (they upped the tin content in the metal, and swapped out the lead for bismuth).

It could be due to the bismuth content - bismuth oxide does have a pink tinge.

It could also be leftover paint staining. Acetone will remove the paint and any oxidation on the surface, but would have killed the plastic parts. A less aggressive solvent tends to stain the material left (and even then, where the staining goes comes down to surface irregularities).

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All things being equal it won't affect anyting in the end. I have lead-free pewter models from more than 20 years ago, and yes, they all start to develop a yellowish tinge, or sometimes a darkening in places instead. I've never had that matter at all when it comes to using them as miniatures. I have assembled and primed models that took glue and paint perfectly fine, despite being tarnished as all hell.

I've found that stripping pewter models in Simple Green darkens them a lot of times, too, but they all end up performing fine as models.

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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I got an old metal hellhound turret and it has some browing on it.
Does that mean it is lead? I personally do not wanna work with a lead model anywhere near me.
If someone can help me, that would be great.


Just clean them in Purple Power or Simple Green, dry them right and then base coat them with your primer. You'll be fine.


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Defo some rusty pewter right there

   
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If it isn’t leftover paint, it is likely an “impurity” in the pewter.

*even if* it was lead, as long as you aren’t grinding it and inhaling the dust, you’re fine. Only by ingesting lead is it harmful. That said, don’t lick your fingers without washing them.

Lastly, if you minimize the handling before priming it... no real risk either. You could use dollar store latex gloves if you’re paranoid about it. Once primed, the * hypothetical* lead is contained.
   
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Those aren't lead, but you've got more chance of been poisoned by breathing in 4star leaded fuel than that small inferno cannon

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