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Ghetto_Fight wrote:It's ridiculous when Zionists tries to demonise Islam while praising Judaism's "holiness".

I agree, It's ridiculous when humans demonize anything! "judgment" is what people do to each other and each others beliefs.
I thinks that whatever direction a person looks at " THE IS", he then interprets it in his/her own way, and that person attches their own labels onto it. To say that how someoneelse interprets what they experience is"wrong ", or that the "labels"(names they give things) are incorrect is ridiculous, for everyone sees things from their own perspective, while still observing the same thing- "the IS".

An Archbishop came to my friend's school to give a speech, this was just after the victoria Bushfire which killed almost 200 people. He said

"God did not start the fires, but he was IN the fires"

So, god has another 173 deaths on his hands.

I do not care if there is a god or not. He may be responsible for creation, but even if he appeared in the skies and proved his existence, I would raise two fingers and keep walking.

Anyway, something I have never gotten. If god rewards the good in heaven, and Satan punishes the wicked in hell, is Satan not just doing his job. Why is he regarded as evil? He is more or less a God of the underworld like Hades, not a god of evil like Set.

And yet another interesting philosophical question, well more theological I suppose, for all to comment upon.

As ever, I shall finish my post having asked the question, and tried to explain it, rather than jump straight in with my opinion on it, as then the question will not get answered!

Ready gentlemen (and ladies of course)?

Assuming God did indeed create the Cosmos, what role do you feel the other planets Galaxies etc serve in relation to humanity?

Actually, this needs no real explaining as to do so would be to give my opinion. So question posed, and I am looking forward to your answers!

Jimi Nemesis wrote:


Anyway, something I have never gotten. If god rewards the good in heaven, and Satan punishes the wicked in hell, is Satan not just doing his job. Why is he regarded as evil? He is more or less a God of the underworld like Hades, not a god of evil like Set.

They're all just labels, more precisley someonle elses labels! You can't have someone elses "truth", without being a SHEEP! If you be a SHEEP, it is neccesarry to understand that the shepheard will always have his own agenda.
In my opinion, it is much more wise to learn from experience, rather than what other people tell you. For all we know, THEY know as much as us, yet THEIR greatest ploy is to make people believe THEY know more than the rest of us(which is impossible even if THEY believe it themselves), Yet this will have a dramatic effect, for SHEEP will FOLLOW.
Find your own TAO, your own WAY. That is the only TRUTH !

If a satanist wants to go to hell, then their concept of heaven is what we know as hell. So, by going to hell they should go to our concept of heaven. That then means that they went to their hell(our heaven) but they were devout satanists so they should go to heaven(our hell). Paradox achieved.

The irony:Countries that are blamed for slavery don't use it, legally, anymore. Africa for the most part is not blamed for the past slavery but some african countries continues to have it.

I declare that an irony. Irony is also funding a terrorist group to fight an enemy, that later uses the funding you gave to attack you a la 9/11 and the Osama Bin Laden.

i believe in karma, if thats a religion althou i doubt it, however i am in the same situation as anung,
born, and raised a catholic, however as i grew up i kinda thought that there was always something wrong with the bible, that being god and his almighty 10 commandments

were not allowed to (for example) kill people, however god kills how many freaking people in the bible?!

not to say '' oh no your all wrong'' i respect people that believe in what they believe in, whatever it is, just that way isnt my way


and a somewhat funny side note, because i didnt go to church and believe in the bible and all that, which lead to many arguments because my mother is a radical catholic as i like to call her, she likes to do things the bible way and i like to do things the logical way,
my parents kicked me out of their house and now im living on my own, go figure

-SKB

Saints_Knife&Brush wrote:i believe in karma, if thats a religion althou i doubt it,
-SKB

Correct, Karma is not a religion, however some religions/philosophies do talk about it.
Karma is a Universal law of Cause and Effect.

Saints_Knife&Brush wrote:i believe in karma, if thats a religion althou i doubt it

Karma is not a religion, it is a concept in eastern religion/philosophy. It is not a cosmic revenge fantasy ("oh, karma is going to get them!" ect ect). Instant karma on the other hand, is going to get you, and it is going to knock you right on the head.

Saints_Knife&Brush wrote:were not allowed to (for example) kill people, however god kills how many freaking people in the bible?!

The commandment though isn't against killing, it is against murder. A distinction is made between killing and murder. Now what that always is can be troublesome but nonetheless they aren't considered the same thing.

Jesus H. Christ....why do these topics always have to be brought up? The argument/debate ALWAYS goes the same way, ALWAYS has the same misinformed opinions, ALWAYS comes around to the same moot points, and ALWAYS boils down to "Well after so many pages of discussion I guess it all comes down to no body knows and nobody ever will." Waste of freaking time.

thesuperiorninja wrote:Jesus H. Christ....why do these topics always have to be brought up? The argument/debate ALWAYS goes the same way, ALWAYS has the same misinformed opinions, ALWAYS comes around to the same moot points, and ALWAYS boils down to "Well after so many pages of discussion I guess it all comes down to no body knows and nobody ever will." Waste of freaking time.

Becuase we need something to do between the time we take the first breath until we get buried. Otherwise it gets boring.

superiorninja kind of has a point.

It's interesting how some of the same arguments that were brought up weeks ago are being rebraught up again by the new "participants" who haven't taken the time to read all 27+ pages, let alone the thread that was locked.


GG

Here's what I think; I Possess Harmonic Cubic Wisdom that transcends and contradicts the Bibical 1st Day - Genesis 1.5 - when the greatest math & scientific scam of all human existence was deified.

Claim of single 1st Day composed of Day, Night, Morning & Evening was a Lie, as they were Static points as 4 corners and did not rotate as Time motion. Instead each of the 4 quadrant Times represented a single and separate 24 hour Day rotation within a common 24 hour rotation of Earth.

You would be wiser if unschooled then be taught ONEness stupidity to worship Evil of ONEism, contradicted by Opposite Creation. Religion is Organize Crime to collect $Tithes. Dr. Gene Ray, Cubic and Wisest Human.

Definitely didn't want to read 27 pages on this subject, so I'll just post my view on religion as instructed by the OP (i don't know if anyone got off-topic or whatnot). Anyway, I wasn't raised religiously at all even though my mom was raised Catholic and my dad Lutheran. They basically told me when I was 8 that I could choose whatever religion I wanted. I actually researched a bunch of religions/philosophies (Christianity, Daoism, Buddhism, etc. even Zoroastrianism) and came to a conclusion: as long as you are good and don't kill people and such, you'll be fine. I mean, some people need some kind of "guiding force" like God to organize their life and teach them values and such, but IMO, all religions teach similar principles of goodness. Since no religion/philosophy can be proven wrong and they all preach similar idealistic qualities, why choose one to the exclusion of all others? Just practice whichever one is most convenient (i'll explain). I've gone to places of worship for religions around the world and don't focus on a single one, and whenever I feel emotionally drained I go and talk with our communities' local Christian priest, or my Buddhist neighbor who lives down the hall. Anyway, that's my opinion.

Weird to talk about such a subject on Dakka...

A.

One thing is probable:
Those who don't know, talk about it,
Those who know don't,

So it seems that most of us don't know JACK!

Actually, that's highly improbable. Especially given that much of human knowledge has no relevance to any one person, but incredible significance when considered with regard to many.

Uri Lee wrote:
this will have a dramatic effect, for SHEEP will FOLLOW.
Find your own TAU, your own WAY. That is the only TRUTH !

Find my own Tau? Is this guy a loon or what?

Mad Doc Grotsnik - In answer to your question, I think the only possible reason could be for us to explore,l when we got bored of Earth. Sadly, I don't understand where this would come into Christian philosophy, since Earth is apparently so important to God that he spent more time on it than the rest...

Elessar wrote:Mad Doc Grotsnik - In answer to your question, I think the only possible reason could be for us to explore,l when we got bored of Earth. Sadly, I don't understand where this would come into Christian philosophy, since Earth is apparently so important to God that he spent more time on it than the rest...

Or humans aren't the centre of god's plans and the bible (and all other texts) are just books.

Elessar wrote:

Uri Lee wrote:
this will have a dramatic effect, for SHEEP will FOLLOW.
Find your own TAU, your own WAY. That is the only TRUTH !

Find my own Tau? Is this guy a loon or what?
:

My bad, spelling error, meant TAO.

But in answer to your question, YES, I am a loon,Welcome to my world! Everyone's insane, there is no such thing as sanity....is there?
Unless you think sanity is thinking the same as everyone else, then I would personally call that insanity. But I don't think the same as everyone else, so am I sane? Who's gonna be the judge? Are'n't you taught not to judge, lest you be judged yourself?
Don't you like being called a sheep? Doesn't the bible tell you to be a sheep? Do you find it empowering to attribute all power to something outside of yourself?
BAA!

Lets have a game of spot the Student Radical!

*points at Uri Lee*

I WIN!

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Lets have a game of spot the Student Radical!

*points at Uri Lee*

I WIN!

m8, I'm 32, got 4 kids, have been involved in alot of religions, and recently have become a physics student in my spare time, si I beieve ( and you may disagree) that my veiws have a balanced perspective, Its all a load of tosh! No one knows, find out for yourself! its that simple, there are enough people out there who are more than happy to lead you up the garden path arn't there?

Uri Lee wrote:

Elessar wrote:

Uri Lee wrote:
this will have a dramatic effect, for SHEEP will FOLLOW.
Find your own TAU, your own WAY. That is the only TRUTH !

Find my own Tau? Is this guy a loon or what?
:

My bad, spelling error, meant TAO.

But in answer to your question, YES, I am a loon,Welcome to my world! Everyone's insane, there is no such thing as sanity....is there?
Unless you think sanity is thinking the same as everyone else, then I would personally call that insanity. But I don't think the same as everyone else, so am I sane? Who's gonna be the judge? Are'n't you taught not to judge, lest you be judged yourself?
Don't you like being called a sheep? Doesn't the bible tell you to be a sheep? Do you find it empowering to attribute all power to something outside of yourself?
BAA!

Yeah...I was just yanking your chain, as I thought was obvious, when I changed your spelling...I'm amazed you thought you actually said that, maybe you're not as clever as you purport after all...

Also, quoting films doesn't make you as original as you'd like to think I'm afraid, even if reasonably well concealed. Finally...if you'd perhaps read ANY of my earlier posts you'd realise my views on religion, organised religion, and the Bible in particular are pretty clearly laid out. To sum up - I'm not a fan. Following the Lamb of God however, does create an interesting flock mentality among those who do.

Also, Mad Doc, have a cookie.

yeah I did think i made a typing error, I do it all the time,
I never said I was clever, did I? what film did I quote? where is that quote? coz I mentioned entanglement? What the bleep? its good isn't it?
I did read some of your later post, and got the impression, despite your views, that you were quite indoctrinated. but I admit I havn't gone back 27 pages.

Uri Lee wrote:

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Lets have a game of spot the Student Radical!

*points at Uri Lee*

I WIN!

m8, I'm 32, got 4 kids, have been involved in alot of religions, and recently have become a physics student in my spare time, si I beieve ( and you may disagree) that my veiws have a balanced perspective, Its all a load of tosh! No one knows, find out for yourself! its that simple, there are enough people out there who are more than happy to lead you up the garden path arn't there?

Not being rude, but I don't believe you. Your choice of prose and poor spelling very much suggests you are a teenager who has discovered philosophy.

And using text speak in the opening of the last section quoted really does nothing for your case.

And rather than following the herd, to have true Religious conviction takes a lot of inner strength. Me, my faith is solidly with science, and I find this combined with my generally philosophical nature allows me to approach most subjects with a studious dispassion. See my general question to the board above, about where the rest of the Universe fits into Gods plan according to the Bible. I didn't give my point of view, as to do so would become the focus of my post, and not the question which, much like the recipe for Black Bean sauce I found where one of the ingredients was a spoonful of Black Bean sauce, would utterly defy the point.

Now I'm laughing, by the way, there's a pic of my 7 year old son first model in my gallery, Have a peek.
My kids get took to sunday school at a evangelical church sometimes by their gransparents, and I really hate it. My daughter, 10, came home telling me that she's a sheep, and I was really pi@@&d, so I guess I have strong views on it, having broken away from a christian background many years ago, to dabble in drugs, raves, and later eastern religions(hare krishna, and later zen philosophy at my dojo). After getting my life straight, then losing my site work (subcontracting chippy), i've started an OU course in physics, this week i've been doing quantum electodynamics( do you want me to explain the time energy uncertainty principle and theorised by Heisenburg?)
frankly whether you believe me or not, is irrelevant.
Obviously this subject is a volatile one when someone like me says something you disagree with. probably shouldn't have even got started on it.

Uri Lee wrote:
I did read some of your later post, and got the impression, despite your views, that you were quite indoctrinated.

I get the impression, due to your views, that you are quite ignorant. However, rather than just assume this, I'm open to alternative hypotheses.

Trouble is, you came into this discussion with sweeping statements and didn't back them up.

I've never heard of any Church, regardless of denomination, telling it's flock it's literally that. What might have happened is your alleged Daughter heard the Pastor/Father/Vicar etc describing the assembled peoples as their flock, and knowing flock to be the collective noun for Sheep, filled in the gap the best she could.

And again, your spelling and general structure suggests you aren't necessarily doing the course you claim. Just going on evidence. And is that not what you are preaching? To assess and investigate all written claims? Or should I be your Sheep, and just take everything you say at face value? Again, your claim that there is a pic of your 7 year old son's first model. I just see some models. No child, but then I didn't expect to see that. Why should I put any stock in your statements, when that is very thing you would have people not do?

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Trouble is, you came into this discussion with sweeping statements and didn't back them up.

Is he your twin?

Nope. Apparently I ate my twin at birth.

You're right about one thing, I can't back up my views with anything solid. As we are talking about the "unseen", and the "unprovable" that's hardly surprising. Not many of us could verify anything on this subject without just quoting what they have been told by some one else, or what they have read somewhere. You can believe what ever you choose to believe. We all have choice, and will usually choose what serves us well.
As for my identity(and my honesty!) which you cast aspersions on, now that I could verify, however not in this forum. If you are ever in Nottingham I would be happy to meet you at Warhammer World for a beer.(maybe you'll still believe that I have a fake beard, a fake id, fake kids, and possibly arrive driving a fake van!)
This type of discussion usually ends with discrediting the messenger, since the actual message is neither provable or disprovable(they're just beliefs), If they were more solid than beliefs they would be called "facts". So from now on , I'm staying On Topic!

I'll comment on the sheep thing.

It's biblical. Jesus used the term sheep as an allegory to describe believers. In John: 21 he asked Peter to "feed his sheep". Jesus also said in John 10:11 "I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep."

The bible is full of references refering to believers as sheep.

The problem I see is that this reference has beeen twisted by certain people to imply that believers are stupid, ignorant, blind, etc. I know that I have seen the term sheep used as a derogatory term, by unbelievers aimed towards believers. It's a fundamental misunderstanding of what the term sheep means in a biblical context.

GG