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Just Dave wrote:I'd love to get the visions book, but at £30 I'm not that loving!

However, yeah, I doubt they'll get to the Siege for a LONG time, which, frankly, is a good thing IMHO, as I love the HH series so if it keeps going then I'm a happy bunny!
So basically, you want a Horus Heresy book of tank-porn? Nice.

Heh, I got the Collected Visions book with a torn dust cover for $7.50.

It is an awesome book, just for the inspiration it gives. Everytime I read a HH book, I flip through it again.
And think about making a PreHeresy army. Then it passes.

skrulnik wrote:

Just Dave wrote:I'd love to get the visions book, but at £30 I'm not that loving!

However, yeah, I doubt they'll get to the Siege for a LONG time, which, frankly, is a good thing IMHO, as I love the HH series so if it keeps going then I'm a happy bunny!
So basically, you want a Horus Heresy book of tank-porn? Nice.

Heh, I got the Collected Visions book with a torn dust cover for $7.50.

It is an awesome book, just for the inspiration it gives. Everytime I read a HH book, I flip through it again.
And think about making a PreHeresy army. Then it passes.

Damn you!
I'll give you $7.00 for your Collected Visions book?

But that does further fuel my desire for said book, that's exactly the kind of thing I like, the artwork is phenomenal!

Frell. Just saw the FW thread and I guess the Preheresy project will be a go.

Now to pick a Legion.

I cry on behalf of your wallet.

Personally, if I had the moolah (money) I'd go for Night Lords and use the BA codex...
However, I reckon pre-heresy World Eaters, Foot-Slog Death Guard or Word Bearers could be could.

The Death Guard would be easy as you woundn't even need to paint them!

(btw, nice Avatar!)

Just Dave wrote:I'd love to get the visions book, but at £30 I'm not that loving!

However, yeah, I doubt they'll get to the Siege for a LONG time, which, frankly, is a good thing IMHO, as I love the HH series so if it keeps going then I'm a happy bunny!
So basically, you want a Horus Heresy book of tank-porn? Nice.

The Visions book TOTALLY speeds past the end bits - almost to the point of glossing over them!

VERY disappointing ending to a book that, quite frankly, was rather disappointing to begin with.

Well, Visions was more of an art collection anyway with some story in between. Gotta dig the story Graham wrote that sets bits of plot for Mechanicum.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Yeah, but the Necrons probably got an assist from the Blood Angels that counteracted any help from the Tau...

We're never going to let Matt "C.S. Goto" Ward live that down, are we?

can someone let me in on the joke? it's totally over my head. are they the same person via pen name? i know one is a codex writer and another a BL novel writer...

its in reference to an incident in the BA codex. Necrons and BA are fighting each other.

Tyranids show, so both armies turn their guns on bugs.
After the bugs were defeated, neither side carried on the fight with each other.
The use of the phrase "impromptu alliance" got a lot of peoples' panties in a bunch, so now BA and Necrons are referred to as best of friends.

Oh no but that makes PERFECT sense.

Vampire counts fight alongside skeleton warriors all the time, right?

I havent seen a release date but in the back of the new BL Previews catalogue it says they are going to do an abridged audiobook of Horus Rising. I hope they expand the concept to other old books, I love listening to the audio books when painting or playing PC games. I'm glad the for audio only CDs continue to come out, having just finished Soul Hunter I got Throne of Lies yesterday.

skrulnik wrote:its in reference to an incident in the BA codex. Necrons and BA are fighting each other.

Tyranids show, so both armies turn their guns on bugs.
After the bugs were defeated, neither side carried on the fight with each other.
The use of the phrase "impromptu alliance" got a lot of peoples' panties in a bunch, so now BA and Necrons are referred to as best of friends.

thanks for the info. how does it relate to c.s.goto? as for the "alliance", i didn't particularly care for that part of the codex but frankly didn't think of it ever after i turned the page (literally) on the story.

Captain Roderick wrote:Oh no but that makes PERFECT sense.

Vampire counts fight alongside skeleton warriors all the time, right?

see, it does all make sense!

warboss wrote:

Captain Roderick wrote:Oh no but that makes PERFECT sense.

Vampire counts fight alongside skeleton warriors all the time, right?

see, it does all make sense!

Say, when you put it that way...

ACK!

NO!

The answer is still "NO!"

First Heretic extract is up now: http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/coming-soon/First-Heretic-The.html

Alpharius wrote:

Say, when you put it that way...

ACK!

NO!

The answer is still "NO!"

Ah, a 40k purist eh? I bet you never even missed the Squats...

Damn. Although a little confusing in places - such as not knowing who's who - I thought that was awesome. I look forward to reading the whole thing.

However, it's going to cause many people to hate Gulliman even more!

How can people hate him when he writes such a great best-seller and looks sooo dreamy..

Not as dreamy as Perturabo though!!!1



Seriously, I want Iron Warriors HH fiction and I want Graham to do it.

Captain Roderick wrote:

Alpharius wrote:

Say, when you put it that way...

ACK!

NO!

The answer is still "NO!"

Ah, a 40k purist eh? I bet you never even missed the Squats...

1 + 1 = 3?

Of course I miss the Squats!

Remember, I started back in the days of the gap between 1st and 2nd Edition!

I thought I smelled old people.

I thought I was able to mask that with this great new soap... oh well!

Any word on how the audio books are doing, and if sales are high enough, if they're warrant a print edition?

Alpharius wrote:
Remember, I started back in the days of the gap between 1st and 2nd Edition!

i dunno.... my spidey sense is tingling (either that or my butt is asleep from reading dakka too long in a hard chair). i've never met someone who started in that era and called it "1st edition"!?!? i believe it was known as... *insert dramatic pause* ROGUE TRADER!!

Tingle away, and remember, I started between the two - in fact, I almost picked up Rogue Trader but I was told a new edition was coming 'soon' - and man oh man was it ever!

So, maybe you have met one now?

2nd edition... the glory days... Ah, misspent youth, I miss thee!

As for people hating Roboute Guilliman more now?

After that excerpt?

I'm not seeing it.

If anything, people will hate the Word Bearers more now, since they were the start of all this! Which we already knew, of course, but now we'll get the sordid details.

Though, A. D-B love him some Chaos Marines, so I'm sure they'll come out of it OK...

new today...although dated for this coming Sunday, ah well..

Age of Darkness heralds an important new piece of the Horus Heresy story arc, so we thought it was time to drag the grumpy old warmaster out into the limelight and drop him on a cover. Lincolnshire's most heretical artist, Neil Roberts, was at the helm and once more he's gazed deep into the 30K abyss and plucked out something rather wonderful.

That is one huge fur coat.

I can't help but notice that there isn't a new Print on Demand title this month. Odd.

..they've got other announcements to make methinks...

hmm... http://www.blacklibrary.com/Digital

When are Black Library eBooks going to be available?


October!

Does that mean you will stop printing books at some point?

Absolutely not - we will continue to produce printed paper books alongside eBooks.

Will all books be available as eBooks?

We are looking at both our forthcoming releases and backlist to decide how best to make them available, nothing is set in stone at present.

In which formats will eBooks be available?

We will most probably produce our eBooks in Mobi (the Kindle format), ePub (most other eReaders such as the Sony Reader and Barnes & Noble Nook) at the very least. We are still looking into this; more info to come.

Where will I be able to buy digital products?


As with our release schedule, we have not yet confirmed the outlets through which our digital range will be available. As soon as the range is launched, it will be available to buy from this website. More outlets will be confirmed later.

How do I find out more?

Keep an eye on our website, Facebook and Twitter feed and make sure you visit us at UK Games Day for a sneak preview.

Cool...I guess/hope.

..and they didn't even mention "The ****** and ******" yet either !

reds8n wrote:..and they didn't even mention "The ****** and ******" yet either !

Gah, more secrets and mysteries.

Alpharius wrote:As for people hating Roboute Guilliman more now?

After that excerpt?

I'm not seeing it.

If anything, people will hate the Word Bearers more now, since they were the start of all this! Which we already knew, of course, but now we'll get the sordid details.

Though, A. D-B love him some Chaos Marines, so I'm sure they'll come out of it OK...

Well, you know, Gulliman's all like, up his own bottom like, and Lorgar actually has like some emotion, yeah like? But I fink that the reader might like, dislike Gulliman as he's all like, unemotional and like a pawn for Malcador like. I personally don't mind the chap all like yeah like, but I like expect many will like look for any excuse to criticise him.

Now that patch of youthfulness is over, I expect Bowden will treat the Word Bearers nicely, although I dislike their evilness (I'm a good guy at heart!) I think the whole plot about them is cooool.

Anyways, that made relatively little sense...

Good to see some more news on ebooks. I think it's also very shrewd of them to put themselves as the primary point of sale rather than via Amazon through the Kindle and Apple through iBooks who both gouge the publisher. Ebooks would benefit BL because they dont have to pay for the physical book.

I'm still in a bit of a quandry about ebooks from BL as I still like the physicality of paper books, especialy in regard to BL as I consider my whole GW hobby an anchronistic luxury so paper books are somehow more appropriate. However I woudl like ebooks of old favourites like the Gotrek and Felix books.

Yes!

I would love them to go to ebooks. I just got a Nook a few months ago and love it. I hope the eventually move their old books to it too eventually.

Well, you know, Gulliman's all like, up his own bottom like, and Lorgar actually has like some emotion, yeah like? But I fink that the reader might like, dislike Gulliman as he's all like, unemotional and like a pawn for Malcador like. I personally don't mind the chap all like yeah like, but I like expect many will like look for any excuse to criticise him.

Actually, if you would take-in the context of that scene, being "emotionless" in that situation was for the best, considering that Guiilliman knew that Lorgar would be volatile AND that they were outnumbered roughly 1000 to 1.

A neutral display of emotion would have been the tactic here as to not incite actual open warfare among the two parties involved.
This appears to be a "battle of wills" here, and calm and control is the order of the day for this particular issue.

Additionally, since we really do not know too much about Guilliman as far as personality goes, it would seem a bit too presumptious to claim that he is "emotionless" as a whole.

We know Horus a good deal, for example, and Ferrus, Fulgrim, and Lorgar now, to some degree....and maybe Lion El'Johnson a bit, but we really know nothing of Guilliman's personality per se.

If you read the first extract from this book which was a rough draft (though it may make it in there, who knows), Lorgar does strike Guilliman in that meeting with his crozius. There was some real symbology in that extract, which referred to the cracked Imperial Eagle on Guilliman's chest-plate and all. After getting knocked down by Lorgar, Guilliman still retains his compusure and control, maintaining his earlier calm as described before.

It can be interpreted here that Lorgar blowing a gasket only shows to Malcador, the Custodes and Guilliman, the unstable nature of Lorgar and his actions.

The tactic seems to have worked as at least (as far as we know in this book) they did not succumb to blood-letting....yet...lol!

As far as people disliking Guilliman, well, I'm sure everyone is tired of the poster-boy stigma applied to the Ultras over the years, and I can understand that, especially after the latest Space Marine 'dex. It would be nice to see other chapters in the limelight a bit (and I'm an Ultramarine player, so even I am kind of tired of it). But since this is the HH, it would be nice to see all Legions done up in some form or fashion to get a good perspective on their Primarchs.

Anyway, just thought I'd throw that out there, before the hate-train steams in.....