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AlexHolker wrote:

Puscifer wrote:3) MOAR PICTURES!!! Non blurry please. Not saying I'm ungrateful for the ones we have.

And without a great big watermark making a bad photo worse.

Well Heresy will stop using watermarks when certain members on Warseer and Dakka stop taking the pics we find and passing them off as their own.

Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:I also have already predictided (TZEEEEEEEEEEENTCH!!!!!!) a very funny scenario...

one of the people in my gaming group is STRONGLY looking forward to using these new grey knights, I see him taking a bunch of Paladins, some librarians, and probably a DK or 2...

Another friend in my group plays eldar (almost always takes Eldrad)

I foresee this happening when they first meet on battle field

GK player rages at Eldrads magic hat (runes of warding?) keeping him from casting spells due to having to roll 3d6.

GK player sends the DK towards Eldrad to knock off his magic hat.

Eldrad Dooms the DK and Guides a nearby warwalker unit
Eldrad Mindwars the DK for potentially 1 wound (possibly not, oh well)

Warwalkers scatter laser the DK off the board.

GK player scoops and rages at GW.

~~~~~

I'm looking foward to this scenario with great anticipation! I will be sure to take battle pics and post the report (including the looks on the Dick's(See: 1d4 Chan on Eldrad) face((Eldar player)) and the look on the GK players face) on dakka shortly afterwards!

GK psychic hoods Fortune
Vindicaire shoots Eldard with rumored NO INVUL SAVE LOLOL bullet
Mass psycannon fire BLARGDEAD's Eldrad.
Dreadknight ROFLCOPTERs its way to the objective.

baronspikey wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:

Puscifer wrote:3) MOAR PICTURES!!! Non blurry please. Not saying I'm ungrateful for the ones we have.

And without a great big watermark making a bad photo worse.

Well Heresy will stop using watermarks when certain members on Warseer and Dakka stop taking the pics we find and passing them off as their own.

We fond da photoz furst! We da greatest! RAWWW #1 website in da wuld!

shrike wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:

Pyronick wrote:Apparently GW is fine with the leaks as well? From what I can tell they just let people stroll into the facility with iPads and what not so it must be obvious what is going to come from that?

You know that is not a bad idea. If I was near GW's headquarters, I would schedule a field trip with my class and sneak pics. They would probably let the little ones tour all the departments. All I would need to do it buy some tech from thinkgeek.com and I would be set up for some nice leaked photos...

shrike wrote:that is an incredible coincidence that I said pretty much that, and there's already a pic for it!

That's why I quoted you! It was worthy of a 5 minute photoshop!

wait...something I said was worthy of something?! This is the greatest day of my life... I'd like to thank all of dakka for the support, and a load of others...

Now don't get carried away. It was done in a matter on minutes...still you got 5 minutes of your 15.

VoidAngel wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

VoidAngel wrote:

BrassScorpion wrote:

Does a Space marine or Terminator really need more protection?

Considering how fast Terminators can go away when targeted by things like twin-linked plasma gun fire from Obliterators, yes, they probably do need more protection. Remember, Terminator armor was designed originally both game-wise and lore-wise to give a modicum of protection in close quarter fighting aboard Space Hulks and such from foes using teeth and claws. On open battlefields it does not offer that same level of protection.

P.S. I love wiping out Terminators at close range with Obliterators. One can imagine the smell of the melting armor as the models are removed from the table.

Originally, they were designed to protect technicians working in PLASMA reactors... oh, the irony.

Uh yeah, about that...

They were designed to protect technicians working in plasma reactors. Where the occasional discharge happens, but it's mostly ambient radiation.

Plasma weapons are highly focused and intended to defeat things like...well, armor

Yeah, about that - if I remember correctly (and it has been a couple of decades) the reactor chamber was portrayed like some kind of bowl of nuclear soup, that they occasionally needed to walk around in. That there would be "weapons grade" plasma.

No, actually. It would not.
There's a difference between "focused" discharges and "nuclear soup".

Just like how nuclear reactors don't cause the same effect as nuclear bombs when they melt down.

About servitors. You pick the nits. It's a guy in a suit. Strap-0n, or welded into - it's still meat driving metal.

You missed the point.
A servitor is bolted in. Their brain is hard-wired to that exoskeleton and they live to do nothing except operate that exoskeleton. Their brain, effectively, is the only thing on them that's still alive and it's wholly incorporated into the exoskeleton's design.

sourclams wrote:

Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:*snip*

GK psychic hoods Fortune
Vindicaire shoots Eldard with rumored NO INVUL SAVE LOLOL bullet
Mass psycannon fire BLARGDEAD's Eldrad.
Dreadknight ROFLCOPTERs its way to the objective.

I feel like I'm back in WoW.

Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:I also have already predictided (TZEEEEEEEEEEENTCH!!!!!!) a very funny scenario...

one of the people in my gaming group is STRONGLY looking forward to using these new grey knights, I see him taking a bunch of Paladins, some librarians, and probably a DK or 2...

Another friend in my group plays eldar (almost always takes Eldrad)

I foresee this happening when they first meet on battle field

GK player rages at Eldrads magic hat (runes of warding?) keeping him from casting spells due to having to roll 3d6.

GK player sends the DK towards Eldrad to knock off his magic hat.

Eldrad Dooms the DK and Guides a nearby warwalker unit
Eldrad Mindwars the DK for potentially 1 wound (possibly not, oh well)

Warwalkers scatter laser the DK off the board.

GK player scoops and rages at GW.

~~~~~

I'm looking foward to this scenario with great anticipation! I will be sure to take battle pics and post the report (including the looks on the Dick's(See: 1d4 Chan on Eldrad) face((Eldar player)) and the look on the GK players face) on dakka shortly afterwards!

This does seem like a likely scenario. However, Eldrad has a solid chance of failing his own psychic tests due to super aegis (which I am assuming/wishlisting the DK to have), and possibly held back by other anti-psychic rules that GK's might have (I would like to see them keep unlimited range psychic hood as an upgrade option (Psychic Hood can be upgraded to a Nemesis Psychic Hood for +15 Points).
Also of note, the Scatter Lasers are pretty unlikely to kill the GK as well. 36 shots, 27 hit, 9 wound (S6 vs T7). 1.5 failed wounds, x2 for 3 wounds. So even if both doom and guide went off, you would still need to get mindwar to wound as well. Pretty much would need the perfect turn to take it down so easily.
Also, from what we have heard, the lone DK was cheaper then the unit of War Walkers.

H.B.M.C. wrote:We haven't seen the details of it, so I think it is too early to come to a conclusion on whether this thing is good or not. This isn't a Chibi-Hawk situation where we got a nice pic that clearly showed how horrible it is. The two pictures we have of it are - frankly - fething awful.

So let's hold off with the 'drop the ball' comments for now.

Despite my being amazed at his almost defence of GW (almost ) I have to agree with HBMC. We can't clarify from these pics whether it will look crap/good/meh or not. We can get a general impression, but certainty? Not IMO.

A LOT of people have been saying that the Stormraven looks MUCH better in person than it does in the pictures. People also keep criticising GW's photographic abilities and the angles they take things from, I can't imagine they're doing this any favours.

We all know GW are capable of making some mighty impressive large kits (see the new Orks!) and hopefully this one will be the same.

Kanluwen wrote:
It's far more interesting than "Dave, climb into the exosuit!" in my eyes.

I cannot do it Captain! I do not 'av thee poweer!

Gavo wrote:I want to see an actual model,this can be posed very dynamically, as Zefig said. I wish it were a bit bulkier, but whatever.

I agree, this could be posed VERY nicely, much like some of the Wraithlords. I mean, if people can do this (spoilered image)...



... With Wraithlords, imagine some of the stuff they can do with Dreadknights.

At first I really liked it, however I must admit, I too wish it was bulkier to suit the Marine Aesthetic better, pauldrons alone are nigh-mandatory. I still like it however, not as much as I did, but it's more of a positive than a negative however. Definitely got potential IMHO.

sourclams wrote:
with great anticipation! I will be sure to take battle pics and post the report (including the looks on the Dick's(See: 1d4 Chan on Eldrad) face((Eldar player)) and the look on the GK players face) on dakka shortly afterwards!

GK psychic hoods Fortune
Vindicaire shoots Eldard with rumored NO INVUL SAVE LOLOL bullet
Mass psycannon fire BLARGDEAD's Eldrad.
Dreadknight ROFLCOPTERs its way to the objective.

@VoidAngel:

This isn't even half the acronyms I need to know for my job:

http://www.educationoasis.com/resources/Professional_development/list_edu_acronyms.htm

But I do admit, I am sick of seeing them everywhere. At least Dakka usually has a note for most of them.

Kanluwen wrote:[
Yeah, about that - if I remember correctly (and it has been a couple of decades) the reactor chamber was portrayed like some kind of bowl of nuclear soup, that they occasionally needed to walk around in. That there would be "weapons grade" plasma.

No, actually. It would not.
There's a difference between "focused" discharges and "nuclear soup".

Just like how nuclear reactors don't cause the same effect as nuclear bombs when they melt down.

About servitors. You pick the nits. It's a guy in a suit. Strap-0n, or welded into - it's still meat driving metal.

You missed the point.
A servitor is bolted in. Their brain is hard-wired to that exoskeleton and they live to do nothing except operate that exoskeleton. Their brain, effectively, is the only thing on them that's still alive and it's wholly incorporated into the exoskeleton's design.

Dreadknight Daemonize!

So it's a guy in power armor wearing power armor? Russian nesting knights? I want to see a "Men in Black" conversion where the grey knight pilots head opens up to reveal the tiny alien inside (also wearing power armor), and the Dreadnight is piloting a Warhound.

asmith wrote:So it's a guy in power armor wearing power armor? Russian nesting knights? I want to see a "Men in Black" conversion where the grey knight pilots head opens up to reveal the tiny alien inside (also wearing power armor), and the Dreadnight is piloting a Warhound.

Now that would be awesome. Do you think an Epic scale grey knight would work?

That exo suit thing is hideous... I am disappoint.

VoidAngel wrote:OK, so it's big, and it has crazy shoulder hydraulics.

Actually, I think those might be some sort of teleporter 'winglets', you can also see them on the PAGK in the lower right in the army shot.

Redemption wrote:

VoidAngel wrote:OK, so it's big, and it has crazy shoulder hydraulics.

Actually, I think those might be some sort of teleporter 'winglets', you can also see them on the PAGK in the lower right in the army shot.

Nope, I think those are the rumored falchions.

It would be better if they turned out to be some kind of huge mechadendrites...but I think they're hydraulics.

Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:
This model looks "meh" all things considered, but at least its not as ugly as the Stormraven (blech!)

Seriously do I need to get my eyes check its a big blurry picture that really gives us nothing but an outline, a vague idea of how they guys strapped in, and that they carry big hand weapons.

Samus_aran115 wrote:Meh. I'll echo everyone else and say that it looks like a transformer.

Why does it look like a transformer?-Because its been painted in very similar colors and then pixelated by low resolution to the point that details are indistinguishable.

Kanluwen wrote:
I really think they should have gone a completely different way with this "Dreadknight". We've got Psykers. We've got MIUs in the fluff, what with the fact that they're how Titans are operated by thought processes(NOT a pilot pressing buttons for the most part).

I agree, but we don't know the fluff, and it could well be the fluff and we just have a model that turns out to be poorly executed in that way. It would be a reasonable explanation for why these can be so much smaller than a Knight, that the psychic mojo of Grey Knights allow the equipment to be that much smaller because they don't need to be as sensitive.

Kanluwen wrote:
Now, imagine...a Grey Knight Grandmaster striding onto the field accompanied by a bodyguard of Dreadknights that he's doing nothing more than controlling with his mind.
It's far more interesting than "Dave, climb into the exosuit!" in my eyes.

Yeah thats a bit of the logic gap, that if you had these and they worked this well, there's no reason all the Grandmaster wouldn't use these aside from personal tactical preferences.

Kanluwen wrote:
Maybe, but I reiterate that there's actually something 'different' in how the Black Carapace and the MIUs work. The Black Carapace doesn't so much 'interface' them with the power armour but it allows their power armour function as a second skin rather than an exosuit, like the Sisters of Battle or Inquisitors wearing Power Armour have.

I was just trying to say that with their conceptual commonality it wouldn't take much to take that technology or some derivative and use it as the mcguffin that allows its use.

Kanluwen wrote:
What bugs me the most about it is that it seems like it's too....Orky of a concept.
"Okay, we have these exosuits we use for <loading armament or some other generic usage>(which is what the thing looks like to me, at least). Let's load them up with guns, strap a Grey Knight in and call it a day!"

I'd be far more accepting of it, I think, if it was actually heavily armoured and the weapons didn't for the most part look like an afterthought.

I'm hoping when we see a clearer pictures the weapon looks more like its part of the vehicle. As a separate bit it looks like an after thought and it seems kinda out of place that this thing would have weapons that aren't integrated into it, like the dreadnought, but are just carried like an Eldar Wraithlord. It seems like the usually cohesive thought GW usually put s

Concept-wise, I find the dreadknight lacking. The whole idea of a Terminator on an even bigger suit of armour... Just doesn't seem to fit with most of the Imperium's engineering.

"Kanluwen wrote:

Now, imagine...a Grey Knight Grandmaster striding onto the field accompanied by a bodyguard of Dreadknights that he's doing nothing more than controlling with his mind.
It's far more interesting than "Dave, climb into the exosuit!" in my eyes. "

Because them he'd be a Warcaster, and you'd be playing Warmachine.

Interesting to see the new dark blue colour scheme (it looks like that on the mini blurry pic anyway).

No way am I repainting all my PAGKs and GKTs blue so I'll keep going with the boltgun metal/mithril silver look on the new models.

I guess we will probably see two generations of GK armies in the coming months - those who have started it based on the new codex and painted theirs blue and those who have revived their old army and added to it with the new stuff but kept up the metal scheme.

The only thing is, why would they change the colour to blue? Will GW change the fluff to account for Grey Knights suddenly getting all creative and decorating their armour?

Destrado wrote:Concept-wise, I find the dreadknight lacking. The whole idea of a Terminator on an even bigger suit of armour... Just doesn't seem to fit with most of the Imperium's engineering.

How about a Tau battlesuit piloting a giant robot?

ColdSadHungry wrote:The only thing is, why would they change the colour to blue? Will GW change the fluff to account for Grey Knights suddenly getting all creative and decorating their armour?

Might want to get your eyes checked, they're certainly not blue. The pictures are just of piss-poor quality, but you can still see that they're a darker shade of grey.
Here's a better picture of the new paint scheme:

I don't like the "transformer" dreadknight for the same reasons I don't like the way that GW has moved away from the classic look fo the Ork Walkers. Sometimes if something isnt broken then don't attempt to "fix" it.

Not impressed.

I have some good news and some bad news. Good news if you are looking forwards to the Necrons, bad news if you're looking forward to the Grey Knights: according to Blood of Kittens, this is another Matt Ward codex.

Father Gabe wrote:I guess when GW sees a great idea, they take it and TM it.

So what is the good idea? I'm not seeing one...

Kurgash wrote:It's a freaking transformer....

Thats honestly the first thing I thought of when I saw the blurryness. Oh dear, I hope its just a bad picture taking everything cool out of it. I really dont want to be one of those "band wagon" guys on this

Father Gabe wrote:I guess when GW sees a great idea, they take it and TM it.

they're too top-heavy. Even the current dreads look top-hevy, and you give them longer legs?!

Vhalyar wrote:

ColdSadHungry wrote:The only thing is, why would they change the colour to blue? Will GW change the fluff to account for Grey Knights suddenly getting all creative and decorating their armour?

Might want to get your eyes checked, they're certainly not blue. The pictures are just of piss-poor quality, but you can still see that they're a darker shade of grey.

Ok but they're definitely different to the current colour scheme - maybe not dark blue but my point still stands.

I guess that's why they gave it a 4++, considering you would need to stand in front of it to grant it a cover save.

Hopefully it's the pose/picture quality....but not impressed thus far...