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H.B.M.C. wrote:You're not listening.

Ordering from GWUK or US. Paying UK/US (ie. 50% cheaper) prices. These are then shipped from the UK or the US. Nothing comes from the Oz distribution centre.

Which makes GW an 'internet freeloader', as they're not supporting the hobby in Oz. Ha!

Maybe that was their plan all along?

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Buzzsaw wrote:Just stop for a moment and contemplate that: if you want to buy GW products from GW, you save a huge amount by, not walking down the street to their store, but going online and getting it shipped from halfway around the planet.

This has been my point for quite some time. There is, no joke, a GW store less than 800 metres from my front door (750m according to Google maps). Getting something from GWUK is cheaper than walking up the road to my (exceptionally) local GW.

I did say when all this embargo crap started than the real test of how truthful it all was would be if GW stopped you from ordering even from themselves in a different country. Seems my fears were realised - you still can, and God-damn that's a lot of egg on their collective faces.

infinite_array wrote:Woah, woah, waittaminute. Your saying that Aussies can order from the GW UK site, get them at UK prices, and them have them shipped from the UK, completely cutting out Australian GW stores, which was the point of restricting UK stockists selling to people outside of the EU?

That's... that's just... gah! Really? That really is hypocritical.

That's exactly what I'm saying. Amazing huh?

Only for certain things. You have to be very smart about what you order from GWUK or the shipping will kick you in the guts. WHFB Khorne Lord on Juggernaut by itself with shipping (over £18 shipping + the £20.50 for the model) is actually more expensive the ship than buy from GWAUS ($55AUD). This means I won't be able to get my hands on one unless it's eBay.

That's because their shipping starts at a flat rate, so one item orders are always going to be more expensive unless it's a big boxed item with different shipping.

There's a 'sweet spot' for ordering.

Doesn't change the fact that GWUK are nothing but an internet freeloader bringing down 'The Hobby'!

warboss wrote:
Games Plus in Mt. Prospect, Illinois. It was one of the best stores in the entire state and definitely the best stocked/selling one in the greater Chicagoland area in the 90's and early 00's during a time when GW had a single store in the entire state... so they decided to open their second store on the SAME road less than a 3 minute drive away in the same small suburb. That store also started getting their stock intermittently filled and frequently late during those first few years (with their new releases *shipping* from GW to them on fridays while the GW store had them on the rack for sale on fridays). It's not a rumor or theory but a fact at least in the case above. I even helped in an undercover sting (lol) when GW denied that they were selling the figs before the FLGS had them; I ended up driving the 1 mile and buying the fig so they could fax the receipt to prove to their rep that he was blatantly (to put it mildly) wrong. The store ended up closing a few years later because no one over the age of 13 gamed or bought anything on a regular basis there. At the time, we normally drew 12-16 people on Thursdays and Tuesdays for 40k from around the city.

It was the same situation in the UK I believe. I used to work at an independent, the owner said it was fine until a GW store opened in the same town. Then the orders started to arrive late, new releases were out of stock until they had been in the GW store for a couple of weeks etc. The rep kept on messing him around until he just decided to drop GW altogether - luckily the store held enough other lines (and other non-wargaming stuff) that they managed to stay afloat.

Can you imagine how much MORE money GW would make if they got rid of ALL their retail overhead and simply sold via internet and to independent retailers. Then they could just have regional support teams that would travel around and host tournaments in local stores or public venues and just provide great retail and customer support.

They truly are idiots.

And the lord said "let there be MANTIC!"

And Ronnie intoned "amen."

lord marcus wrote:And the lord said "let there be MANTIC!"

And Ronnie intoned "amen."

And he also said "Let there be space dwarfs, lo and behold there will be space dwarfs coming to aussie land in october" alomg with other races.

Thats what I heard

H.B.M.C. wrote:That's because their shipping starts at a flat rate, so one item orders are always going to be more expensive unless it's a big boxed item with different shipping.

There's a 'sweet spot' for ordering.

Doesn't change the fact that GWUK are nothing but an internet freeloader bringing down 'The Hobby'!

Stop repeating yourself man... I dont think they are listening.

Doesn't change the fact that GWUK are nothing but an internet freelo...

Oh right...

H.B.M.C. wrote:That's because their shipping starts at a flat rate, so one item orders are always going to be more expensive unless it's a big boxed item with different shipping.

There's a 'sweet spot' for ordering.

Doesn't change the fact that GWUK are nothing but an internet freeloader bringing down 'The Hobby'!

Question of clarification, did someone in Aus order from the GWUK site, pay the UK rate and get it shipped to them and have received it?

I ask because...can't believe I'm saying this... in GW's defense (just died a little inside) it could be that the online store hasn't been updated/isn't smart enough to say "Hey this person is an Aussie trying to get cheap stuff Stop him!" when you are just putting a cart together but when the guys in the UK shipping department see an Aus address some flags go up and order is canceled.

Friend of mine is organising a mini-Blood Bowl league, and is picking up some extra teams (plus he wants some BFG stuff for when we start playing Rogue Teader). They're cheaper from the UK, and he ordered them.

It was only yesterday, so they haven't arrived yet (I'd be surprised if they've shipped).

You know, given GW's general inability to understand how these newfangled interweb tube things work, it wouldn't surprise me if they simply overlooked the fact that people in one country would go to another country's GW site to order product... After all, you select your own country when you try to enter the site through that bloody annoying portal page. So clearly that's where you're going to order from... right...?


Alternatively, and giving them some credit for not being complete idiots (while not saying anything about the honesty of their business practices) it's also possible that this whole international embargo thing was nothing more than a way for them to track where sales are actually going to. They can see from their webstore statistics where their own orders go, but can't track where independant stores' sales are going, and that would mess with their regional sales breakdowns. So the 'obvious' answer is to restrict everyone whose sales figures they can't access to selling in their own regions, with no need to limit their own stores.

Still hypocritical given the actual public reason for the change... but would at least make some sort of sense.

Has Wayland games given any more detail on their 'work around' yet?

Nope. Still waiting on details.

So, it appears without waiting for Wayland we already have a work around planned out for our local club.

Though for the majority, I truly hope that Wayland sorts this out asap

Perhaps Wayland or Maelstrom can have an 'independent' shopfront (next door) to whom we send orders, and pay, they print the order, carry it next door with the payment forwarded by a handy direct debit, then carry the product when processed back to the shopfront which then sends model free of charge to me in Australia.

Order to Maelstrom or Wayland comes from within the EU and is delivered to an EU address.

Problem solved!

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:Perhaps Wayland or Maelstrom can have an 'independent' shopfront (next door) to whom we send orders, and pay, they print the order, carry it next door with the payment forwarded by a handy direct debit, then carry the product when processed back to the shopfront which then sends model free of charge to me in Australia.

Order to Maelstrom or Wayland comes from within the EU and is delivered to an EU address.

Problem solved!

Afterall, you arent just a pretty face who makes awesome sig banners...

Sparks wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:That's because their shipping starts at a flat rate, so one item orders are always going to be more expensive unless it's a big boxed item with different shipping.

There's a 'sweet spot' for ordering.

Doesn't change the fact that GWUK are nothing but an internet freeloader bringing down 'The Hobby'!

Question of clarification, did someone in Aus order from the GWUK site, pay the UK rate and get it shipped to them and have received it?

I ask because...can't believe I'm saying this... in GW's defense (just died a little inside) it could be that the online store hasn't been updated/isn't smart enough to say "Hey this person is an Aussie trying to get cheap stuff Stop him!" when you are just putting a cart together but when the guys in the UK shipping department see an Aus address some flags go up and order is canceled.

You should be able to order, but it balances out anyway because of the 100 pound shipping you have to pay (was trying to buy 3 ravagers).

Exaggerate much?

I just threw together a 3 Ravager order and the shipping was around the £45 mark. Now that’s not cheap, but it’s a damn sight better than £100 you’re claiming.

I cannot imagine that GW would expect to monitor other sites stopping overseas orders if indeed they couldn't do it to themselves as well.

That being said,
they haven't shown much sense in these decisions lately

kaisuki wrote:

Sparks wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:That's because their shipping starts at a flat rate, so one item orders are always going to be more expensive unless it's a big boxed item with different shipping.

There's a 'sweet spot' for ordering.

Doesn't change the fact that GWUK are nothing but an internet freeloader bringing down 'The Hobby'!

Question of clarification, did someone in Aus order from the GWUK site, pay the UK rate and get it shipped to them and have received it?

I ask because...can't believe I'm saying this... in GW's defense (just died a little inside) it could be that the online store hasn't been updated/isn't smart enough to say "Hey this person is an Aussie trying to get cheap stuff Stop him!" when you are just putting a cart together but when the guys in the UK shipping department see an Aus address some flags go up and order is canceled.

You should be able to order, but it balances out anyway because of the 100 pound shipping you have to pay (was trying to buy 3 ravagers).

H.B.M.C. wrote:Exaggerate much?

I just threw together a 3 Ravager order and the shipping was around the £45 mark. Now that’s not cheap, but it’s a damn sight better than £100 you’re claiming.

Mr H, I assume he was exaggerating in order to put across a point that GW will take compensation in the form of over-charging shipping to AUS... much like certain EvilBay traders...

Seems like US stores are now also forbidden to sell GW products internationally:

close313 over at Warseer wrote:Hey guys, has this been discussed before? I've recieved an E-Mail from Miniature Mkt this morning describing that GW told them a day ago that they can't ship outside US anymore.

Anyone knows if its the same for the rest of the US stores?

Gee, it's almost like they're not just trying to prevent Australians from buying in the form of the UK.

Crazy, right?

Hey, it worked for Japan: GW closing 71% of their stores right now. Australia comes next. Will be filed under "successfully cutting staff costs in one man stores" in the next business report.

insaniak wrote:You know, given GW's general inability to understand how these newfangled interweb tube things work, it wouldn't surprise me if they simply overlooked the fact that people in one country would go to another country's GW site to order product... After all, you select your own country when you try to enter the site through that bloody annoying portal page. So clearly that's where you're going to order from... right...?


Alternatively, and giving them some credit for not being complete idiots (while not saying anything about the honesty of their business practices) it's also possible that this whole international embargo thing was nothing more than a way for them to track where sales are actually going to. They can see from their webstore statistics where their own orders go, but can't track where independant stores' sales are going, and that would mess with their regional sales breakdowns. So the 'obvious' answer is to restrict everyone whose sales figures they can't access to selling in their own regions, with no need to limit their own stores.

Still hypocritical given the actual public reason for the change... but would at least make some sort of sense.

Yeah, that looks great. It would have been smarter to just ask those big stores they almost killed right? But well, that is GW, they dont need to be smart tog et money, they just need to release new shining kits every 3 months...


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Kroothawk wrote:Seems like US stores are now also forbidden to sell GW products internationally:

close313 over at Warseer wrote:Hey guys, has this been discussed before? I've recieved an E-Mail from Miniature Mkt this morning describing that GW told them a day ago that they can't ship outside US anymore.

Anyone knows if its the same for the rest of the US stores?

I am so greatly happy that i changed to Mantic right now... lets give those guys some hurras?

Have they tried to put a restriction on eBay yet? I know I ship crap to Australia all the time. As long as it is not big (above 13 ounces) the shipping cost is fairly decent. When you get to USPS parcel post that is when it gets expensive.

Fosner, i just fell bad buying products from a company that clearly dont want to sell those products to me... As my collection is not so big yet, i will just migrate to a company who want my money...

I feel really evil saying this, but...

The best thing about having relatives in the UK who visit frequently is that one can make orders from Maelstrom, have it shipped to the aforementioned relatives, then laugh evilly when they bring the order over on their next (frequent!) visit to Australia.

Bwahahaha...

Then you are very lucky that you have that option. Sadly, I should imagine the vast majority don't.

Fosner1703 wrote:Have they tried to put a restriction on eBay yet? I know I ship crap to Australia all the time. As long as it is not big (above 13 ounces) the shipping cost is fairly decent. When you get to USPS parcel post that is when it gets expensive.

There's no legal way for them to apply it to eBay. This only applies to stores that have a trade account with GW.