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2012/06/14 10:40:53
Subject: Re:Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg24 Panzergrenadiers
Xeno wrote:Supposedly, the conventional wisdom is that female minis don't sell well, and even then they need to be cheesecake. I'm not so sure about that myself. I think some of it is that no one really produces full lines of non-cheesecake female minis so there's no real reason to buy them except just to paint. On the other hand, who wants to gamble tens of thousands of dollars on a line that won't sell if the conventional wisdom turns out to be true?
That's the nice thing about restic: the gamble is more along the lines of hundreds of dollars, rather than tens of thousands.
The "conventional wisdom" is nonsense. Remember, Games Workshop is a company willing to devote nine sprues to five different Space Marine Dreadnoughts, or the equivalent of two sprues to limited edition Skull Rocks. If they are unwilling to even find out if a combined HQ, Elites, Troops, Fast Attack and Heavy Support kit for an undersupported army and an undersupported half the population might be 1/9th as popular as the Dreadnought or 1/2 as popular as their limited edition Skull Rocks, they are either cowards or bigots.
"When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."
-C.S. Lewis
2012/06/14 12:17:58
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg24 Panzergrenadiers
So the Panzergrenadiere are released in restic, too? Bummer. I´ll still probably buy them and restic is better then metal imho but plastic is my absolute favorite. We´ll see.
2012/06/18 04:16:25
Subject: Re:Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg24 Panzergrenadiers
According to Tony, the Germans will include four one piece models, one will be a prone machine gunner and the other three are casualty models. In addition to a boat load of heads including male, female and helmeted, two types of torsos, four different legs and four rifle carrying varients, a grenade launcher, a machinegun, a panzerfaust and a carbine. The great thing about the resin/plastic blend is that they can include more variety in any given box, and it looks like they are capitalizing on it.
Automatically Appended Next Post: By the way, that's a list of different parts, not a grand total. It's supposed to be enough for 16 models plus the bonus stuff.
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It's an ugly planet. A bug planet.
Ouze wrote: 7.) If you gather 250 consecutive issues of White Dwarf, and burn them atop a pyre of Citradel spray guns, legend has it Gwar will appear and answer a single rules-related question.
2012/06/18 17:12:55
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg24 Panzergrenadiers
Dont forget that there should be enough packs in the box this time to outfit everyone but the 4 one piece figures.
As for this restic material. tony says its similar to what mantic uses for their corporation troopers i.e. Super glue only. Other than that, it should work just like plastic. He says its drillable, file able, flexible enough to not be brittle but not to the point where its soft, etc. Should have much better detail than the marines were capable of with plastic. We'll see when the bugs come out though. They'll be a good "litmus test" for what to expect with the germans.
'I've played Guard for years, and the best piece of advice is to always utilize the Guard's best special rule: "we roll more dice than you" ' - stormleader
"Sector Imperialis: 25mm and 40mm Round Bases (40+20) 26€ (Including 32 skulls for basing) " GW design philosophy in a nutshell
2012/06/19 22:32:20
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg24 Panzergrenadiers
Mathieu Raymond wrote:Weren't we supposed to be in the pre-order phase for the Germans by this week, too?
You expected the Germans to stick to the schedule? What made you think the Germans would be a punctual and orderly release, like the running of a well-engineered machine?
Are you experiencing weltschmerz?
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Maybe a bit. The marines turned me on so much that I decided to evacuate my GWIG infantry models (and tanks) and replace them with DFG models. Seeing as I don't want to pay for shipping every time I order a single box, I was hoping they would stick to their updated road map.
I'm not complaining, I can be understanding, I just like their product so far and want to see more. Competition can only make this hobby better, not worse.
GamesWorkshop wrote: And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!
2012/06/20 15:22:22
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg24 Panzergrenadiers
Thought you guys might like to see this. It's not my figs/sale, but it's a really good combo of Defiance marines bodies and legs with GW arms and pig iron heads
It's WAY better than the marine one. He invested in a tripod, and the video is greatly improved because of it. No real extreme closeups of bugs, but from what I could tell in the video, this new material gives them much improved detail over the plastic marines.
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'I've played Guard for years, and the best piece of advice is to always utilize the Guard's best special rule: "we roll more dice than you" ' - stormleader
"Sector Imperialis: 25mm and 40mm Round Bases (40+20) 26€ (Including 32 skulls for basing) " GW design philosophy in a nutshell
2012/06/21 01:04:59
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer Bug pre orders
not sure I like the paint job on that combo. the hands or gloves especially. Although I do like the pig iron heads, the hands just seem enormous in that combo, as well.
I do hope the Germans come out before the end of summer. Although with the GW drop of new stuff coming soon, later might be better for my finances.
GamesWorkshop wrote: And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!
2012/06/21 01:45:49
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer Bug pre orders
insaniak wrote:Yay for the continuing trend of presenting promo videos instead of just giving us images we can look at.
Completely with you. No matter how good a video is, the resolution is never good enough to see the fine details on a mini. Hell, even the best videos are still someone mumbling about things that are completely self evident (these heads can be used on hero or leader models .... umm ... they'll fit a variety of manufacturers' minis ... ummm) while clumbsily trying to hold a piece close enough to the camera to get some detail but not so close as to throw off the focus. And is it just me, or is it kind of wierd seeing someone's thumbs that close up? A series of closeups would nearly always be the better way to go. You can then take your time with the pieces, examine them at your liesure without trying to pause it right at the moment where the camera is about to focus on their fingers instead. By the way, not just railing against this particular video, but the entire unboxing experience has always been odd to me.
Vaguely related: Is it just me or does it seem like the production value on the new GW teaser videos look exactly as good as local used car dealership commercials?
It's an ugly planet. A bug planet.
Ouze wrote: 7.) If you gather 250 consecutive issues of White Dwarf, and burn them atop a pyre of Citradel spray guns, legend has it Gwar will appear and answer a single rules-related question.
2012/06/21 04:47:27
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer Bug pre orders
I too would love some up close high definition pics. The quality of the video has improved dramtically from the marine one, but I think a good idea if they want to keep doing these is maybe splice in close up photos of each piece while he explains it instead of trying to hold it up to the camera. And by pics, I dont mean renders, I mean actual pictures of some of the parts showing off detail and what not. Then once he's done with a pic he can pull out other minis to show scale, potential poses, etc.
'I've played Guard for years, and the best piece of advice is to always utilize the Guard's best special rule: "we roll more dice than you" ' - stormleader
"Sector Imperialis: 25mm and 40mm Round Bases (40+20) 26€ (Including 32 skulls for basing) " GW design philosophy in a nutshell
2012/06/21 19:49:38
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer Bug pre orders
MrMoustaffa wrote:...but I think a good idea if they want to keep doing these is maybe splice in close up photos of each piece while he explains it instead of trying to hold it up to the camera.
A better idea would be to just post pics instead of a video
2012/06/21 20:06:01
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer Bug pre orders
AlexHolker wrote:DFG has decided to join the rest of the industry in poking fun at GW, by releasing their ruleset tomorrow, for free.
Love it.
It's an ugly planet. A bug planet.
Ouze wrote: 7.) If you gather 250 consecutive issues of White Dwarf, and burn them atop a pyre of Citradel spray guns, legend has it Gwar will appear and answer a single rules-related question.
2012/06/23 02:34:19
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer Bug pre orders
Have to admit, that was a pretty good troll post they did when they started that article. Gave me a good laugh right after I got done thinking"there's no way after all that hype over a free PDF they'd charge for it"
Defiance Games wrote: We know the Hobby Games community has been waiting with baited breath for this momentous date! The rumor mill has run rampant with speculation on the upcoming rules! The leading rumor was that pre-orders would start this day...to be followed by the official release next weekend. The rumors also claim that this is to be a bloated, over-priced rules set that you'll just have to live with. Well, we're here to tell you that the rumors were WRONG! Releasing TOMORROW! FREE! ALIEN WAR!
In a time when gamers have come to accept that a rules set must be a bloated, over-priced volume handed down without consultation, to be followed without question, we thought we'd do something different. We thought we'd give you a set of rules to test, and see if you like them. We thought we'd open up the process of development to a wider audience and listen to what people had to say. For the last year we've had gamers from three continents playing these rules and adding their suggestions. And tomorrow we are offering it to you, free. Play it, see what you think. If you are interested in contributing to it, that's what we'd like. We won't promise to use every suggestion (and we aren't going back to step one, either!) but if you'll play it and let us know what you think, we'll have a better game at the end of it all. The Alien War rules - a FREE 31 page illustrated PDF showcasing the hard-hitting, realistic nature of ground combat in the 23rd century. Tomorrow...
However, it wasn't professional in the slightest. I know these guys are wargamers themselves, and love that, as they're very relate-able and seem to listen to the community. But, tempting fate with the biggest boy in the business may not be the best move.
That said, I can't wait to see what changes were made from the test rules and see what this game is like. I've got plenty of minis to try it as it stands, and once germans release I'll have two armies ready to go. Might be the time to try and get a few friends into wargaming. There's no way they'd play 40k with me with prices the way they are, but $30-$60 and you've got everything you need isn't bad at all... especially since the rules will be free.
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'I've played Guard for years, and the best piece of advice is to always utilize the Guard's best special rule: "we roll more dice than you" ' - stormleader
"Sector Imperialis: 25mm and 40mm Round Bases (40+20) 26€ (Including 32 skulls for basing) " GW design philosophy in a nutshell
2012/06/23 03:37:07
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer Bug pre orders
Anyways FRP games has quite a few pre orders up. Most of them are widely inaccurate in terms of dates. But theres quite a few interesting units. Though I get the feeling half of these arent really "real", just some weird mix ups
28mm Sci-Fi - Alien War: Alien Bugs (30)
PreOrder (Est. July, 2012)
Price: $29.95 $26.95
Add to Order
28mm Sci-Fi - Alien War: Female Marines (24)
PreOrder (Est. July, 2012)
Price: $29.95 $26.95
Add to Order
The numbers are right for the Hudson's Bugs, female Marines and Panzergrenadiers, but I couldn't say for the others. I'd certainly hope DFG is going to put more than four bikes in a box, and charging heavy infantry prices for the Sequoia light infantry seems a bit rough.
"When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."
-C.S. Lewis
2012/07/10 20:56:39
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer Bug pre orders
Brother SRM wrote:I think that's an optimistic number of items for July right there! Cool sounding items though; I look forward to seeing some.
Especially since we are almost halfway through and can't get a solid fix on the Germans, even as a pre-order. Good thing I am in way over my head, otherwise I would still visit their page every day, hoping to give them sweet, sweet money.
GamesWorkshop wrote: And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!
2012/07/11 02:49:25
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer Bug pre orders
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