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So 5 flamer agressors, chappy... thats 60 hits mr knight wounding on a 4 at -1! so 15 wounds....
2cp

wow.

A bit disappointed by Doctrine Bonus. It only applies to a limited set of weapons (compared to the IH one), and they all have short ranges. Hopefully the supplement provides us with ways to get into the thick of things faster.

The +1 to wound is going to go a long way to make melta and flamers more viable. Could be a lot of fun.

I see a combo with the +3" range successor trait and the Flamecraft stratagem. Flamer aggressors benefit, but a squad of sternguard vets with combi-flamers and heavy flamer in DP work too.

Throw in another +1 to wound from Chaplain, re-roll 1s to wound from lieutenant< and add rumor stratagem "count as being stationary".

And don't forget to pour this sweet, sweet +1T on them from new Psychic discipline.

Enjoy the world burn.

Jimbobbyish wrote:I see a combo with the +3" range successor trait and the Flamecraft stratagem. Flamer aggressors benefit, but a squad of sternguard vets with combi-flamers and heavy flamer in DP work too.

EricDominus wrote:Throw in another +1 to wound from Chaplain, re-roll 1s to wound from lieutenant< and add rumor stratagem "count as being stationary".

And don't forget to pour this sweet, sweet +1T on them from new Psychic discipline.

Enjoy the world burn.

I'm really looking forward to see everything the supplement has to offer.
Almost every single Astartes unit I have just got more deadly & survivable.

I was mad @ 2cp for flamecraft until I saw how they changed it.

WHERE THE FUNK ARE THE MELTA "HELLBLASTERS" or mythical Hellfuries? Now that's what I really want! dumping a squad of them out the back of an impulsor w the 4++ & chaplain/lieutenant sounds pretty Salamandery.

Racerguy180 wrote:
WHERE THE FUNK ARE THE MELTA "HELLBLASTERS" or mythical Hellfuries? Now that's what I really want! dumping a squad of them out the back of an impulsor w the 4++ & chaplain/lieutenant sounds pretty Salamandery.

Primaris seem to be an attempt to undo some of the problems GW has with redundant options in the game. I suspect Hellblasters are kind of seen as filling both the Melta and Plasma roles.

For that to be true there wouldn't be 3 flavors of plasma incinerator. It's stupid they didn't get an alternate weapon like eliminators did.

Drop podding turn one sternguard dropping 60 11" flamer hits is gonna be a thing

 Latro_ wrote:
Drop podding turn one sternguard dropping 60 11" flamer hits is gonna be a thing

How do they get the extra 3" range if they're using Salamanders rules, not custom chapter?

They use the custom trait. Say they are sallie sucessors which gives them all their strats

So my son is going to be quite happy with his 4 Aggressors now. For only 2CPs and while the Tac Doctrine is active, he can pump out a guaranteed 48 auto-hits with AP-1 and +1 to wound
96 hits if he did not move or is Overwatching. NINETY-FREAKIN-SIX!!!!

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 Latro_ wrote:
They use the custom trait. Say they are sallie sucessors which gives them all their strats

Ah I haven't picked up any of the chapter books yet so I'm not sure how that interacts.


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 Galef wrote:
So my son is going to be quite happy with his 4 Aggressors now. For only 2CPs and while the Tac Doctrine is active, he can pump out a guaranteed 48 auto-hits with AP-1 and +1 to wound
96 hits if he did not move or is Overwatching. NINETY-FREAKIN-SIX!!!!

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Shooting Phase only, not Overwatch?

But yeah, Pyroclasts Lives.

no upgrade pack for salamnders!!?? That sucks

 streetsamurai wrote:
no upgrade pack for salamnders!!?? That sucks

 John Prins wrote:

 Galef wrote:
So my son is going to be quite happy with his 4 Aggressors now. For only 2CPs and while the Tac Doctrine is active, he can pump out a guaranteed 48 auto-hits with AP-1 and +1 to wound
96 hits if he did not move or is Overwatching. NINETY-FREAKIN-SIX!!!!

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Shooting Phase only, not Overwatch?

But yeah, Pyroclasts Lives.

Even without the Strat in Overwatch, you still get Ap-1 and +1 to wound with 16d6 auto-hit (12d6 for a normal unit of 3, but he has 4). Stick his WL with the Lord of Fire Trait near them and you can get pretty close to 96 hits on overwatch

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 Platuan4th wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
no upgrade pack for salamnders!!?? That sucks

Completely missed it. A bit scrubby, but still bettr than nothing

In my opinion the worst Supplement-Doctrine-Bonus of all.
I was hoping for a more generic on like +1 to wound for all weapons under range of 12" or s.th. like that ....
Especially if you play primaris only :/
I think everyone knows how many melter weapons are in the arsenal of the primaris ..... yep ^^
Thankfully there are so many flamers.... not!

But hey ... we are still the "nice guys" of all astartes!
And who needs 6+ FNP, 5+ overwatch, doubled numbers on the dmg table, reroll 1 for heavys and no penalty for moving with them?

I hope we are able to make the most kick ass chars of all the chapters ... which seems possible regarding on the leaks!

But after all can't wait to field my "green horde" on the field

as Galaf noted, we have agressors who can put out an insane amount of flamage in the right conditions.

but yeah the lack of a melta option is somewhat sad. but hey, more stuff'll come, Melta is kinda weak this edition anyway, so If we have to wait a edition or two for a Primaris melta unit no big deal

Hey, at least you know you can buy like a million flamestorm gauntlet and redemptor heavy flamer bits for pennies on bits sites.

And we know there's a ton of strats and other goodies in these books that we won't see until Saturday. I'd bet there's plenty of goodness to be seen just yet.

Wounding everything with less than t8 on a 2+ seems pretty good to me, a couple of drop pods with multi melta devs could be pretty tasty.

BrianDavion wrote:
but yeah the lack of a melta option is somewhat sad. but hey, more stuff'll come, Melta is kinda weak this edition anyway, so If we have to wait a edition or two for a Primaris melta unit no big deal

IMO, this is what faction specific bonuses should be. Something that is fun and niche, but doesn't completely upheave the meta.
Basically flavor with little substance. But what we end up with is a handful of traits that are just too good not to take and twice as many that look rubbish by comparison. It's sad and makes me wish Chapter Tactics and similar rules were just removed altogether for Matched Play

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 Red Corsair wrote:
For that to be true there wouldn't be 3 flavors of plasma incinerator. It's stupid they didn't get an alternate weapon like eliminators did.

Agreed, but it's also stupid that the plasma incinerators didn't actually have notable differences.

BrianDavion wrote:
as Galaf noted, we have agressors who can put out an insane amount of flamage in the right conditions.

but yeah the lack of a melta option is somewhat sad. but hey, more stuff'll come, Melta is kinda weak this edition anyway, so If we have to wait a edition or two for a Primaris melta unit no big deal

In theory yes, but I fear in most situations they will die before getting there, or at they very least be crippled to the point of being a waste of CP.

Definitely feels like this is the first supplement to encourage non-primaris lists - at least given the current model primaris range.

 NurglesR0T wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
as Galaf noted, we have agressors who can put out an insane amount of flamage in the right conditions.

but yeah the lack of a melta option is somewhat sad. but hey, more stuff'll come, Melta is kinda weak this edition anyway, so If we have to wait a edition or two for a Primaris melta unit no big deal

In theory yes, but I fear in most situations they will die before getting there, or at they very least be crippled to the point of being a waste of CP.

Definitely feels like this is the first supplement to encourage non-primaris lists - at least given the current model primaris range.

agressors are now reasonably tough at 3 wounds, toughenss 5 and a 3+ armor save. they'll die easily eneugh but you're going to need to dedicate some real firepower to em now as you won't be able to cripple the unit with a single plasma gun

There will be some bunrinating going on here soon I am sure. Basically can go 3+ to wound with a billion autohits at ap-1...the question is how do you get things there. I think Drop pod Sternguard are going to be fething malicious for salamanders. Successors are going to be basically mandatory for this army.

Omniscramblers...

 Red Corsair wrote:
Omniscramblers...

Doesnt' work for the non-marines aka the mere mortals bowing for our overlords the marines.

I tend to agree you'll see salamander sucessors more often then you see salmanders properly, at least at a compeitive level.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
For that to be true there wouldn't be 3 flavors of plasma incinerator. It's stupid they didn't get an alternate weapon like eliminators did.

Agreed, but it's also stupid that the plasma incinerators didn't actually have notable differences.

I wish they had buffed the assault and heavy variants like they did for the bolt rifles.