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I've always had one or two models I abhor to see, but it's never prevented me from ensuring my opponent has a fun game or to shake their hand afterwards. Heldrakes, Forgefiends/ Maulerfiends and Taurox are all models I despise the look of and I have less fun when an opponent uses them because they look like Fisher Price toys, not 40K models.

But now there's a model that in addition to being such a model, also makes me... I don't know, angry? I don't show it, but I really am boiling. The Repulsor. I think it's the combination of it being a jank dead awful piece of plastic, creatively bankrupt AND an ugly message to fans from Games Workshop.

Basically it's: "This is how we gatekeep you from using models you already bought to support units basically the same as the new ones"

And the opponent: "Sure, I'll eat that turd sandwich whole! Let me open up!"

So before, I was able to convince myself "it's not my opponent's fault, don't take it out on them" but with the Repulsor it's hard, because it is partly their fault.

I get angry at GW, I get angry at my opponent, overall it's harder to not show it. Haven't actually lost my cool though. But I get the feeling something worse is going to come along from GW at this rate, seems inevitable.


It also underlines the defenselessness (or spinelessness) of fans in this hobby, instead of pitching house rules (the sane thing to do) "hey can we say Land Raiders are OK to use for Primaris?" a simple question, to which the answer almost certainly will be "yes", they just follow the path of least resistance and buy the thing. I get kind of exhausted by this kind of thing...

Honestly, and I really don't mean to be rude with this, but I think you need professional help, which you won't get from a forum nor the internet.

The level of anger that your describing is not what many would consider to be normal and you're expressing a concern that its already affecting your life and might potentially get worse as time goes on.

I think you need to sit down with a professional and talk about this because whilst this might sound all kinds of silly to some, its clearly very serious to you. Furthermore it might be a projection of other issues and stress in your life that you're projecting onto the models and in this case one model; which by extension is then being projected onto your opponent.




It's perfectly fine and normal for there to be models you don't like. Everyone has models they don't like. It's also fine to make the choice not to play or buy those models yourself; however you're crossing a line when you're raging at someone else taking them; when you're concerned that you're going to have some kind of angry outburst at them.


The simplest solution is, of course, to simply not play against that model and refuse games in a polite and respectful manner. However from what you describe it sounds like that would just be masking and not dealing with the issue; with the risk that you could end up repeating this for more and more new models which would in turn result in you refusing so many matches that you end up unable to play.


Again I think you need to step back and take some advice from a professional and possibly get some anger management lessons/advice.

If just seeing a model on the table make you that angry go get some counseling, there’s probably a bigger mental issue that you may need meds or therapy for.

It’s ok to not like models, I don’t care for the slanesh daemons(especially some of the cringy custom conversions) or the dark eldar ranges but I don’t get angry that they are there.

 Overread wrote:
Furthermore it might be a projection of other issues and stress in your life that you're projecting onto the models and in this case one model; which by extension is then being projected onto your opponent.

Honestly, it probably is. Blind consumerism is something I detest as a human quality. I mean, the uncritical side of it. But honestly, that's not going to change, I am aware of it, and not looking to do anything about it. When you can easily avoid a model nobody likes by asking for a simple house rule "hey can we just use Land Raiders with Primaris" and you choose not to, and just buy the thing, it sickens me (if they don't like the model too)

I guess I'll ask covertly if they like the model. If the answer is yes I'll probably feel better.

Honestly this may be exacerbated by one of my other hobbies being video games. It's a hobby where the ugliest sides of corporate apologism are in full view on a daily basis. Every week another game franchise is making dumb fans eat more turd sandwiches. Most recently Pokémon. I don't want to look at sales numbers and lose even more faith in humanity haha.

LoftyS wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Furthermore it might be a projection of other issues and stress in your life that you're projecting onto the models and in this case one model; which by extension is then being projected onto your opponent.

Honestly, it probably is.

I think if you're at this stage of thinking then its a positive sign that you're starting to realise that you are in need of some guidance. Sometimes how we process and choose to interpret actions and information can seriously colour our impressions of thing and it sounds like you're in a powerful downward cycle which is only resulting in you building more and more anger and frustration and stress in yourself.

I sincerely do think your best course of action is to discuss these issues with a professional. If you don't know where to start talk to your regular doctor (or at least a doctor at your local medical centre). At the very least they should be able to point you in the right direction for something like counselling etc... They might be able to help you interpret the world around you in different ways and also open your eyes to alternative viewpoints. In addition they would be able to teach you methods of self control and anger/stress management which can greatly help you reduce the negative impacts on you. Learning how to process and tackle the anger/stress can drastically help reduce it and put things into a more healthy perspective where you can get back to focusing on enjoying your hobby and passtime rather than stressing over it.

I honestly don’t mind the repulsor model, not my favorite but it’s one I don’t hate. Part of the problem with house ruling that they can use land raiders is people who play in multiple groups, would mean that they need to buy a model they can use at one store, some people will not agree to a house rule like that as well. Also the land raider is just terrible and way to many points.

I think the others are right, I am not sure any model should make you feel quite that way without very good reason. Even Games workshop at its worse I think is far from that :(

Even when I state I Hate models it is still in a off side and with no real loathing to the people involved with it.

So I do think you need to step back and chat with someone about this.
GW sucks, but there is a lot in the world that can suck way more for this kind of worry :(

 Overread wrote:

LoftyS wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Furthermore it might be a projection of other issues and stress in your life that you're projecting onto the models and in this case one model; which by extension is then being projected onto your opponent.

Honestly, it probably is.

I think if you're at this stage of thinking then its a positive sign that you're starting to realise that you are in need of some guidance. Sometimes how we process and choose to interpret actions and information can seriously colour our impressions of thing and it sounds like you're in a powerful downward cycle which is only resulting in you building more and more anger and frustration and stress in yourself.

I sincerely do think your best course of action is to discuss these issues with a professional. If you don't know where to start talk to your regular doctor (or at least a doctor at your local medical centre). At the very least they should be able to point you in the right direction for something like counselling etc... They might be able to help you interpret the world around you in different ways and also open your eyes to alternative viewpoints. In addition they would be able to teach you methods of self control and anger/stress management which can greatly help you reduce the negative impacts on you. Learning how to process and tackle the anger/stress can drastically help reduce it and put things into a more healthy perspective where you can get back to focusing on enjoying your hobby and passtime rather than stressing over it.

Right, like I said, my feelings towards people who rampantly and blindly consume corporate turd sandwiches won't change. My principles towards companies like those are absolute. I can see you're trying to bait a rise out of me but that won't work, sorry. Just because I pity people who buy the new FIFA or Football Manager every year or the new Repulsor because GW arbitrarilty forced you to, and are angry at the companies responsible for such garbage, doesn't mean I'm an angry person in general and easy to provoke.

How do ANY of the four models you listed look like Fisher Price toys? That's just blatant refusal for change in an army's lineup plain and simple.

Hi Lofty,

I’m going to say that your intense reaction to an inanimate object *should* be a concern for you. That is absolutely an issue.

You’ve internally taken a position of absolute authority, where you do not possess it. Your aesthetic / business senses are not the standards by which all people must conform.

Some other people will like the Repulsor. For its look, in-game rules, whatever. Your expressed belief that you’re becoming angry with your opponent for playing that model is concerning as this may be happening in other aspects of your life.

Please speak with a professional about this. Doctor, councillor, anyone with an objective view of this that would be qualified to, at minimum, redirect you to a more capable person.

 greatbigtree wrote:
Your expressed belief that you’re becoming angry with your opponent

Correction; my anger is at GW. The pity is at the player.

I was not and am not trying to get a "rise" out of you. I simply presented that a professional would likely be able to help you deal with your viewpoint and state of mind regarding things that are currently giving you a lot of stress/anger/issues.

LoftyS wrote:

I get angry at GW, I get angry at my opponent, overall it's harder to not show it. Haven't actually lost my cool though. But I get the feeling something worse is going to come along from GW at this rate, seems inevitable.

By your own words you're getting angry whilst playing the game and that anger (even if its more at GW than at the player) might come out during the game. Even if not you're still bottling up anger and stress within yourself which is never healthy.

Again you're not going to find the answers to your solution on the forum, you need to put the internet down and go out and talk to a professional about this matter. We can't force you to do that, only you can promote the change for yourself and take the action toward getting help. You took a first step making the post here; now take the second step.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
How do ANY of the four models you listed look like Fisher Price toys? That's just blatant refusal for change in an army's lineup plain and simple.

Yes, because the Dinobot models and Taurox are universally loved models... /s

Dinobot models look far too cartoony and the Taurox looks worse than whatever Tesla put out recently with it's cat tracks. Every single conversion I have seen of the above models is superior to the base one in every way.

There is a reason those models are generally abhorred, and it is not for their rules.

The knit-pick does not invalidate the advice. That you pity someone for their modelling choice still assumes the position of absolute authority.

Which is unsafe for you, and the world at large. Everyone has beliefs. We are all welcome to our beliefs. But if that belief causes you to feel someone else is “lesser” and deserving of pity based on a story you tell yourself about an inanimate object, that *should* be a cause for concern.

Can you refute the core concept being presented? Again, I’m not a qualified professional. I can only encourage you to speak with a professional. I believe anger is powerful. It can be harnessed to positive ends, but it is challenging to do so. What you’ve described is not a positive end. If you look on another sentient being as lesser, for this model choice, that is a negative end.

Please speak to a professional.

You're being silly and condescending. It's not your place to judge what sort of plastic toys other people buy with their own money.

Tl:dr : Good god man, go outside.

 Crimson wrote:
You're being silly and condescending. It's not your place to judge what sort of plastic toys other people buy with their own money.

Says the person who consistently tells people they are wrong for disliking Primaris models...

Glass houses and stones. Glass houses and stones.

 Overread wrote:
I was not and am not trying to get a "rise" out of you.

 Overread wrote:
I simply presented that a professional would likely be able to help you deal with your viewpoint

Again, you circle back to the irrationality accusation. It's not irrational for a football fan to be angry when the board of their club sells out to corporate interests who are going to bleed their club dry. A fan of The Witcher is not irrational for being angry that Netflix is turning white characters black and/or gay, purple, female or whatever else they aren't, to suit whatever political soapbox Netflix is on at any given moment. Getting angry at someone messing with your things is not irrational. You may own intellectual rights but once you go public it's public. Every company actively promotes fan investment. The same blade that drives profit can and should also cut them back. The Repulsor is a blatantly transparent ploy to invalidate previous fan investment and force new ones. There is no irrationality to feeling anger about this. So if you aren't trying to get a rise out of me by claiming I should "deal with my viewpoint", I don't know what else you are trying to do.

 Grimtuff wrote:

Says the person who consistently tells people they are wrong for disliking Primaris models...

Only when the make up blatantly absurd and provably incorrect justifications for their dislike.

And I obviously do not get angry with people playing with squat marines.

Crimson and Grim, could you grind your axes elsewhere?

 greatbigtree wrote:
Crimson and Grim, could you grind your axes elsewhere?

Who died and made you moderator?

Unless you bought my model, then it's probably in your best interest not to worry about it.

If you're getting this angry over plastic war toys, then you probably need to find something else to do with your time- and like others have said, talk to a professional.

LoftyS wrote:
Every week another game franchise is making dumb fans eat more turd sandwiches. Most recently Pokémon. I don't want to look at sales numbers and lose even more faith in humanity haha.

"Making"

No one is being forced to do anything. Maybe- and hear me out here- people buy the things they like, and it doesn't require your approval.

LoftyS wrote:
A fan of The Witcher is not irrational for being angry that Netflix is turning white characters black and/or gay, purple, female or whatever else they aren't, to suit whatever political soapbox Netflix is on at any given moment.

It's an adaptation. Minor things like that change in adaptations. Most people do not even notice or care. Fixating on such things is irrational. Especially as there probably are thousand other things that are different in this adaptation, yet you focus on gender, sexuality an the skin colour.

The Repulsor is a blatantly transparent ploy to invalidate previous fan investment and force new ones. There is no irrationality to feeling anger about this. So if you aren't trying to get a rise out of me by claiming I should "deal with my viewpoint", I don't know what else you are trying to do.

If you don't like the Repulsor, don't buy it. I happen to like the fact that the Marines have grav tanks again and they look better than ones made out of deodorant bottles, so I bought it. Feeling angry about my plastic toy choices is irrational.

I've been upset about my dice rolling, and have been really upset during a game, but that had more to do with my opponent and the way they were cheating their off then the way I was feeling about my models.

Thinking about the Replusor as a "gateway" model with such negative feelings? If I felt that way, I just wouldn't play it. I can't really think of the Repulsor as a mandatory model in any list. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist, just that I don't play that way.

The ugliness of the model ain't gonna change. How it's used in a game ain't gonna change. The only thing that will change is the way you view the model. And if it upsets you that much, don't buy or play with it.

I'd caution anyone on developing such strong feelings about Little Plastic Toy Soldiers. This is a hobby and game, and we hobby and game to relax and have fun. If you ain't relaxing and having fun... might be time to find a new hobby.

LoftyS wrote:The Repulsor is a blatantly transparent ploy to invalidate previous fan investment and force new ones.

Is it? Repulsors aren't replacing Land Raiders - normal Marines can't get in Repulsors, and Primaris Marines can't get in Land Raiders. And while Land Raiders are being sold, and still have unique rules, no-one's "forcing" anyone to buy Repulsors if they don't want to. Even if you have a fully Primaris army, you're no more "forced" to buy one than any normal Marine player is "forced" to buy a Land Raider. They might just buy one because they like it. I don't exactly like the whole "a new FIFA every year!" thing, but it's not my money, I don't have to buy it if I don't want to, and so it's absolutely none of my business.
Similarly, what might be "a blatantly transparent ploy" to you might be absolutely ridiculous to others, much like any opinion and perspective,

And for what it's worth, I fully respect that you dislike how the Repulsor looks and any of your other greivances - but *I* like them. Your opponent might also like them, and that's just as valid as your dislike of them. But if that dislike is manifesting as anger, over what is a glorified toy? I really would seek help, and that's meant in the most peaceful way.

At the point you're calling a plastic war toy an "investment"- this has stopped being a hobby.

A house, a truck, a food garden, tools, stocks, etc.- those are investments.

A Land Raider is a toy with space war rules.

Two questions:

1). How would you feel if your opponent’s Repulsor was a resin recast?

2). Have you tried playing Warmahordes?


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 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
At the point you're calling a plastic war toy an "investment"- this has stopped being a hobby.

A house, a truck, a food garden, tools, stocks, etc.- those are investments.

A Land Raider is a toy with space war rules.

Yeah, but what about a (second) Sisters or Battle Army Box? Look at the return on investment!

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
2). Have you tried playing Warmahordes?

Jesus Christ, are you trying to make the guy go absolutely insane?

Not that Warmahordes is a hard game, mind you.

But I think these days if you can find someone playing it, they're probably just as likely to be sasquatch.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
2). Have you tried playing Warmahordes?

Jesus Christ, are you trying to make the guy go absolutely insane?

Not that Warmahordes is a hard game, mind you.

But I think these days if you can find someone playing it, they're probably just as likely to be sasquatch.

I just thought he would benefit from handing around with a group of like-minded individuals. Every GW mini can be a Repulsor to you if you work at it.

Let the chap be - he has probably had a few too many beers and just venting.

Heavens - I have been guilty of that myself.

P.S. the repulsor and tarox are both fugly.