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See title-that's what 40k is.

There's a lot of threads on here where people bash others for enjoying the hobby in different ways, which I find more than a little silly. It's a game of toy soldiers and a cool fictional setting. If you enjoy it by taking it seriously, that's great! Enjoy it! If you enjoy it by taking it as a silly diversion, also great! Enjoy it! Don't change how you enjoy the hobby just to please others, but likewise, don't ask others to change for you. If the way you enjoy the hobby is truly incompatible with someone else's way of enjoying it, then just don't hobby with them.

The main point is that this is something that should be fun.

 JNAProductions wrote:
If the way you enjoy the hobby is truly incompatible with someone else's way of enjoying it, then just don't hobby with them.

The main point is that this is something that should be fun.

Hear hear. If you're not enjoying something, don't do it. Have fun your way, with the people you have fun with.

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I like dakkadakka.com

Double.....nay, triple word!

And remember, just as you’re not wrong, neither is the next person

Wordx4! Could not agree more!

What about the people who enjoy grumbling about it on the Internet?

 AnomanderRake wrote:
What about the people who enjoy grumbling about it on the Internet?

They’re all bungholes

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:
What about the people who enjoy grumbling about it on the Internet?

They’re all bungholes

I'm no more wrong for being a "bunghole" on the internet than the people that like to entrap people with skew lists and use brand new Stratagems to catch their opponents off-guard. I'd actually say the latter is way worse.

 vict0988 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:
What about the people who enjoy grumbling about it on the Internet?

They’re all bungholes

I'm no more wrong for being a "bunghole" on the internet than the people that like to entrap people with skew lists and use brand new Stratagems to catch their opponents off-guard. I'd actually say the latter is way worse.

Fool me once and all that.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
What about the people who enjoy grumbling about it on the Internet?

Eh. As long as they aren't crapping on others for enjoying it, let 'em have their fun.

I'm certainly not one to throw stones-I complain about GW all the time!

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:
If the way you enjoy the hobby is truly incompatible with someone else's way of enjoying it, then just don't hobby with them.

The main point is that this is something that should be fun.

Hear hear. If you're not enjoying something, don't do it. Have fun your way, with the people you have fun with.

That is all well and good, when you can do something else. Or when you entered the game not knowing much of it traps or pitfalls. Plus there is stuff like other people paying same money as you and having fun, and you are not having fun, it doesn't make one very happy.

In the end though it doesn't really matter that much. It is stupid to not like someone having fun in a specific way. Unless of course they force you to have fun their way. Being forced to do anything, when you don't like it ain't very fun. Good for big communities too, because you can also almost always find people that like the the same stuff as you.

This is not going to devolve into a flame war at all.

Karol wrote:

In the end though it doesn't really matter that much. It is stupid to not like someone having fun in a specific way. Unless of course they force you to have fun their way. Being forced to do anything, when you don't like it ain't very fun.

This basically how the whole 8th edition experience has been for me. GW and the community in general is pushing this style of 40k when I liked the way it was from 5th til the end of 7th. 8th killed the hobby for me because everyone either quit or embraced this new version of the game without wanting to play the older version of the game.

Arcanis161 wrote:
This is not going to devolve into a flame war at all.

What, complaining about complaining end badly? No...

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:
What about the people who enjoy grumbling about it on the Internet?

They’re all bungholes

Rather contrary to the spirit of the thread, no?


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 Vankraken wrote:

Karol wrote:

In the end though it doesn't really matter that much. It is stupid to not like someone having fun in a specific way. Unless of course they force you to have fun their way. Being forced to do anything, when you don't like it ain't very fun.

This basically how the whole 8th edition experience has been for me. GW and the community in general is pushing this style of 40k when I liked the way it was from 5th til the end of 7th. 8th killed the hobby for me because everyone either quit or embraced this new version of the game without wanting to play the older version of the game.

I feel you. But I still like dakkadakka.com
Contrast paints have been fun too.

I'd hazard a guess that anyone genuinely angry about how others play or view this game isn't really angry about that at all and this should be kept in mind.

Or they're just trolling, but again...

Well, fun in a competitive tourney?
This is hard to achieve - just my impression.

I only entered competitive tourney’s for fun. Knew at the get go that my army stood no chance of winning, so looked on them as a chance to get three games in _ and_ have a beer :-)

On a philosophical note, if you consider someone else could be enjoying the hobby the ‘wrong way’, then somewhere, someone else could think the same about you. So, as we ALL are enjoying the hobby the ‘wrong way’, we can just get on with it without stressing what others are up to.

Pie and cake are both good.

If you post something on a hobby forum, prepare yourself for the shocking possibility that someone may disagree with you.

If your hobby involves cooperation with other people, then you may need to make an effort to accommodate them.

 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, fun in a competitive tourney?
This is hard to achieve - just my impression.

It could be a taste thing. I liked going to events with my school, but at the same time, I understand not everyone comes from a sports back ground, and some people do not like sports, specially if they are bad at them. Plus winning, prize money etc make everything fun. I think that eating 60 jumbo dumplings in 1 min 37 is insane, but when it comes with a new juicer and 100$, it becomes a different thing.

On a philosophical note, if you consider someone else could be enjoying the hobby the ‘wrong way’, then somewhere, someone else could think the same about you. So, as we ALL are enjoying the hobby the ‘wrong way’, we can just get on with it without stressing what others are up to.

this smells of relativism. Because if it was true we would have to accept that there could be not only more then one good way to do things, which is possible, but that all ways to play are right, and I am sure that not all the way to play or enjoy the hobby are right.

OP is using the forum objectively wrong.

The complaining mostly seems to go one way. The fluffy casual crowd don't want to play certain armies, use certain missions, or allow skew lists in pick-up games. The tournament crowd just say, 'bring your best and play within the rules'.

Karol wrote:
this smells of relativism. Because if it was true we would have to accept that there could be not only more then one good way to do things, which is possible, but that all ways to play are right, and I am sure that not all the way to play or enjoy the hobby are right.

Why not? What ways aren't right?


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 Canadian 5th wrote:
The complaining mostly seems to go one way. The fluffy casual crowd don't want to play certain armies, use certain missions, or allow skew lists in pick-up games. The tournament crowd just say, 'bring your best and play within the rules'.

Eh, I think both crowds (not that there's only two) complain about skew lists, and the tournament crowd certainly complain about rules imbalances and suchlike. And, more to the point, I think it'd be naive to say that no-one from either crowd complains about the others playing in the "wrong" way, be that "you don't take the game seriously, you just push models around and go pew pew" to "all you care about are rules and nothing else".

End of the day, it's something everyone can learn and take away - enjoy the game how you like, and don't mind how others enjoy theirs.

 Canadian 5th wrote:
The complaining mostly seems to go one way. The fluffy casual crowd don't want to play certain armies, use certain missions, or allow skew lists in pick-up games. The tournament crowd just say, 'bring your best and play within the rules'.

You... really didn't read or understand the OP, did you?

Karol wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, fun in a competitive tourney?
This is hard to achieve - just my impression.

Plus winning, prize money etc make everything fun. I think that eating 60 jumbo dumplings in 1 min 37 is insane, but when it comes with a new juicer and 100$, it becomes a different thing.

Yeah, a job. Or a task. I.E., the exact opposite of a hobby.

Karol wrote:

On a philosophical note, if you consider someone else could be enjoying the hobby the ‘wrong way’, then somewhere, someone else could think the same about you. So, as we ALL are enjoying the hobby the ‘wrong way’, we can just get on with it without stressing what others are up to.

this smells of relativism. Because if it was true we would have to accept that there could be not only more then one good way to do things, which is possible, but that all ways to play are right, and I am sure that not all the way to play or enjoy the hobby are right.

I agree, but consider all ways to play/enjoy the hobby to be equally wrong, so there should be no need to get worked up about it.

Anyone who plays the game differently from me is wrong, is no true scotsmanwargamer, and should be chemically castrated to ensure they cannot keep polluting the gene pool.

Moriarty wrote:

Karol wrote:

On a philosophical note, if you consider someone else could be enjoying the hobby the ‘wrong way’, then somewhere, someone else could think the same about you. So, as we ALL are enjoying the hobby the ‘wrong way’, we can just get on with it without stressing what others are up to.

this smells of relativism. Because if it was true we would have to accept that there could be not only more then one good way to do things, which is possible, but that all ways to play are right, and I am sure that not all the way to play or enjoy the hobby are right.

I agree, but consider all ways to play/enjoy the hobby to be equally wrong, so there should be no need to get worked up about it.

That is a sound argument, although it is less easy to implement when in real life people do force others to play in a specific way. It is hard to not get worked up, when others start deciding for you what you should, or shouldn't, be buying.

Extreme, Inquisitor Lord.

Did I ever mention how mention how much I love tanks and tank combat?

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I try to not say that there is any "Badwrongfun" way to enjoy a hobby short of abusive/criminal behavior. I do often wonder/worry about those that seem overly negative or even hostile. Mostly those on internet forums. They concern me in that they seem not only get no enjoyment from the hobby but revel in misery from it. That just seems like a unhealthy way to live, or at very least, a poor use of one's free time.

To be sure, there is a time and a place to gripe and complain and no one going to be happy about everything. At the same time, there are those that never seem to have anything but negative and/or aggressive things to say. Which I can't think is evidence they are at least a little bit miserable with their life and that is seeping into what they should be finding enjoyment from. They speak about the hobby like a job they hate but can't quit. I feel especially bad when those sort build up way too much hope and expectation of change (particularly prevalent with upcoming GW releases). They are of course, gobsmacked that GW only meets the same standard well below their expectation despite the company having a pretty consistent track record for as long as I have been aware of it.

I try to enjoy this hobby for what it is in front of me. I enjoy painting and playing games with nice looking tables in games where it is very likely going to be a several round struggle to win. That doesn't happen all that often especially without effort on my part. When it comes to the painting, I paint my army, I bring my own terrain to the game store (not to say the store's is bad, just I put a lot of effort into mine) and try to be available to any kinda of painting help one would want. I even try to spend a portion of my Saturday painting at the store where a new person is welcome make use of my paints they just have to bring their own brushes, water cup and palette. When it comes to games, I try to build army/team lists that seem on par with what others are bringing. I like to think I am pretty good at that in Kill Team since most games I play are pretty close. With Age of Sigmar, I think my army has a fairly low power ceiling but it has been doing surprisingly well. It is only 40k that I have been all over the place with lopsided wins and losses. That I can't seem to find a good middle ground. At the same time, I play it the least.

The point is, I try to do what I can where I have control of my hobby to fit my preferences. That means compromising and putting in a little effort sometimes. Even then, it doesn't always work out. Still, I think it is very important to try and remain generally positive and find enjoyment (but not at the sake others' enjoyment) where one can. If the hobby starts to give me feelings of negativity or unhappiness I try to take a break from it. After all, if I have a perfectly fine job and giving me negativity and unhappiness in quantity I already want less of. It is one thing to have a bad day or even a bad week, but to be saturated in negativity from a hobby seems like no way to gain enjoyment to me.